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Things I Learned At The Apple Store
Burbia - Living life on the edge... of the patio ^ | 02/12/2008 | By M.B.Darden

Posted on 02/12/2008 4:37:35 PM PST by Swordmaker

I stopped by the mall the other day, mainly to pick up a pair of sneakers my wife had ordered. (That's another story, shopping -- even picking up things -- for the wife. It rarely ends well.) Anyway in the mall, I passed an Apple Store. It had recently been renovated, and I had never been there. (In fact, I'd never been in an Apple Store anywhere.)

I went in. First, I'm not a techie or a remotely skilled computer user. I have no strong feelings about Apple. I went in without preconceptions. I went in really to avoid leaving the mall -- it was freezing out & snowing & I was hoping (dreaming) that a few minutes later it would be a lot warmer and not snowing.

Here's what I think I learned or observed or concluded on my first trip to the Apple Store...

1. Michael Dell & Other Consumer PC-Makers: It's Over. Apple Has Won
It may not show up in the numbers, but it will. And the stock price? (Apple's lower than before but way higher than most.) How do I know it's won? I don't. But in my own twisted version of Buffet's maxim -- you learn most about a company through first-hand experience -- a few quick observations....

It was bitter cold, snowing. The mall was quiet. You could actually hear the water streaming from the marble fountain a floor away. But the Apple Store was packed with people--folks laughing, banging keyboards, sampling the rows of gleaming computers and gadgets, like they were in a high tech Disney World fun park. And there were no give-aways, no store discounts; just another (frigidly cold) day at the mall. These people were not like me--i.e., lazy, biding their time before facing the cold. The lines at the cashier were 10-15 people deep the whole time. People were buying.

For God sakes, people were lining up -- waiting time, 22 minutes -- to get a seat in the Apple "lounge" at the back of the store. What was special there? Nothing. A chance to sit, read some magazines, drink coffee and sample some computer stuff.

At least 4 people told Apple Geniuses (i.e., sales people) they've used Dells over the years, hadn't considered Macs, but now wanted Macs. These were the 4 I heard, in a few minutes; how many more were there? Three people -- moms -- approached Apple store managers to ask how their kids could become Geniuses. The managers laughed. Their answer: Get in line, there's an application list the size of Montana. The moms did get in line, and signed up their sons.

Think the store's only for teen geeks? (I did.) The people playing were of all ages. Some looked barely 14; others not younger than 70. You have a product or place that teens & geezers both want...you've got a f***ing business!

2. Apple "Geniuses" Are Chick Magnets
Nearly half of them were surrounded by babes almost out of central casting. Local high school or college girls (indie film arty, casual-chic, cool, smart) who couldn't seem to get close enough to them. And the Geniuses, many shy on the surface, were soaking it up. Favoring the girls-women, laughing charmingly and forcing the less hot women (and the guys) clamoring for help to wait.

3. Apple Geniuses Are In Fact Geniuses
Tech geniuses? I have no idea. Sales geniuses? Absolutely. Maybe that's 1 of Jobs' secrets. Get some geeky guys (most Geniuses are guys) who kind of look like the wind might blow them down (but who are in fact "animals"); set them in a store of largely ignorant but open & "monied" tech shoppers & let them "go." I saw a couple Geniuses sell hard core pro-level computers to a couple marks -- guys in rich leather jackets -- who came in looking for low budget notebooks. Another guy who came in just to look around, within minutes was reduced to a quivering near-desperate state-of-the-art desktop buyer. I don't know how they do it exactly -- they are selling stylish, hip-looking and extremely appealing products! -- but they're masters.

4. Bridging The Generation Gap May Be Possible, After All
Gen X, Y, Z, O, whatever. Middle aged geezers were yukking it up with their Geniuses. Hitting keyboards like Herbie Hancock, discovering with joyful amazement invisible cameras embedded in the monitors--slapping backs, laughing. Even the too cool Geniuses seemed to be having some fun. A few cross-generational pairs were fathers and sons. Teens actually showing their dads how to use stuff, acting impatient, sometimes in disbelief at their fathers' stupidity; but also getting a kick out of it all, actually communicating. Apple as a long-needed parenting tool? Probably not. But showing the "art" of the possible in communication? Maybe...

5. Starbucks, Don't Get Too Cocky
Starbucks is retrenching, closing stores in the U.S. (Dell, of course, is closing all its stores.) But that line in the back of the Apple store, for a seat and coffee and magazines? It reminded me of Starbucks a decade or 2 ago. I went back there. I confess: I waited in line. The coffee was great. The chairs were comfortable. The people were relaxed, having fun. Add some muffins and a few other items and, who knows, Apple could sell coffee and style too. (What does Starbucks know about music and books? Nothing, a few years ago. Now they're selling merchandise like the neighborhood Barnes & Noble.)

6. New Best Place To Furnish Your Home
It sounds ridiculous (OK, I'm only 1/4-serious). But, step aside Crate & Barrel, Pottery Barn, Ikea. The chairs in the back of the Apple Store were among the most comfortable I've sat in. No wonder no one wanted to leave, and the wait when I left had grown to 45 minutes. Want a new living room? Go to Apple, check out the sofa manufacturers and you're done. If you buy a new Mac, who knows, maybe Apple will throw in its corporate furniture discount.

7.Black (In fashion) Is Back
Actually, not entirely. Black as cool went out in the 90s. But thanks to Steve Jobs' evident unwavering commitment to black -- there was a photo of him in the store, wearing the black turtle-neck thing you often see him in -- it may make a more formal fashion comeback. All the store managers were in black and some of the Geniuses. They looked silly - the Jobs uniforms; like, what the f***, anyone tell you the 90s are over, you can dress in colors, even white? But by the time I left I was thinking, you know what, I liked my black turtlenecks back then, I'd probably like them now. They were simple, they went with everything; and, most important, when they got dirty, no one could tell.

8. I'm A Lot Less Savvy And Smart Than I Thought
OK, I'm an idiot, a near retard with no self-control. You know that guy I mentioned above, who went in with no intent to buy anything but just to chill? I was that guy too. But after relaxing in the lounge, I approached one of the Geniuses, just to ask a few questions. I told him I'd been buying Dells for the past 12 years. He laughed. (Not a cheerful laugh, a disdainful laugh.) He showed me this "basic" desktop system with a 24-inch monitor whose images looked more vivid than my new Sony HDTV flat screen TV. I told him I just bought a new desk top 6 months ago and it did everything I needed it to do. He said, what do you need it to do? I said, basically, Word, Excel, surf the net, etc. He said, you have no idea how much you could be doing. (He said this with a straight face and, while part of me wanted to smash that face for its pretentiousness, another part was intrigued, eager...Of course I wanted to do more, who doesn't?)

He said, "this" system--iMac 2.8GHz--was the least I should be using &, unlike my current system, it would last at least 2-3 years (a lifetime today). And it only cost $2300, he said.

I had gone to the mall to pick up my wife's sneakers. I had no need for a new computer -- I thought. It would be crazy to buy this thing. But the Genius, seemingly already abandoning me, was playing with some images and videos on the screen, simultaneously interweaving them, then dragging stuff from one section to another...and it was so...cool, beautiful. It looked so...fun.

When I got home, and I hauled the boxes into the den, my wife simply shook her head. Then she made a few critical comments -- of course, she didn't understand. Then she asked where I put her sneakers, I probably left them in the car.

I said no, I didn't; I reacted indignantly. I hadn't left them in the car. I hadn't picked them up at all. Sneakers? Who gives a crap about sneakers when you can get a computer system that has everything built into a massive -- yet light -- monitor that displays images more brilliant than I'd ever seen and which, I was almost certain, my friend Jack's son (14, going on 25) would be in awe over. And, I thought, if I play my cards right, I could probably get the brat to come over and actually download some of those games he and his friends are obsessed with and, you know what, are going to look damn good on my new computer.

I went back to the mall a few hours later; I got the sneakers. And, definitely Jack's kid was psyched to come over. The challenge, Jack said, was going to be to get him to leave. As for my next trip to the Apple Store? I'll give it some time. Although now that I think about it, my notebook is pretty heavy, and the ones at the store looked awfully light and easy to carry. And I know there's been a lot of criticism of the new feather-weight MacBook Air, but it is really light and it's unbelievably thin and it looks pretty cool, and...did I say that it looks really light?...

M.B.Darden has written for numerous magazines and newspapers (some of which you have heard of). He has had more jobs in the media & entertainment & financial industries than he can remember (i.e., he's been fired a lot, but then often inexplicably rehired). He lives in the burbs somewhere in the Northeast, with his family and, he says, within 30 minutes of 14 shopping malls.


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1 posted on 02/12/2008 4:37:37 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: 1234; 50mm; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; af_vet_rr; Aggie Mama; afnamvet; Alexander Rubin; ...
What I learned at the Apple Store... PING!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

2 posted on 02/12/2008 4:41:45 PM PST by Swordmaker (We can fix this, but you're gonna need a butter knife, a roll of duct tape, and a car battery.)
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To: Swordmaker

Never been too fond of the “sales” oriented Mac Geniuses. I’ve been told not to interfere with their sales pitches in the past, but I’ve on occasion informed some of their customers of cheaper, easier solutions to some problems.

One example is once when a customer came into an Apple Store that I was browsing in and presented a DVDR digital camcorder that was sans firewire/iLink. He had just bought it. He had the box, the receipt, and all the original packaging was intact. He’d bought it from an electronics store in the mall. He’d only had it a couple of days. I’m familiar with the store, and they have a lenient return policy.

By the time the Genius was done with him, he was looking at buying $1500 in software and hardware combined in order to extract video from his camcorder. I pulled him aside and told him to go and return the camcorder and exchange it with one that had either i.Link or Firewire. The Genius wasn’t happy, but the would-have-been customer was relieved.

Beware salesmen in Genius garb, they know about making sales and not so much about solving problems. Otherwise, I’ve seen some Geniuses actually fix things and solve problems, so I guess it is a toss up.


3 posted on 02/12/2008 5:03:15 PM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Swordmaker

When I can custom build a medium-high end apple gaming rig from components I select personally and the unit is compatiable with more than 90% of current software and I can do it for 1200 dollars give me a call. Until then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No4GzXzNIY8


4 posted on 02/12/2008 5:04:45 PM PST by utherdoul
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To: coconutt2000

I seldom browse the local Apple store. They seldom have what I’m looking for. Last week I was looking for a shuttle/jog wheel. Apple store manager said they seldom have them in stock.

I went home, found the model Apple was pushing in the online store (ships in 3 to 4 weeks) on Amazon.com. Amazon had one in stock, it shipped the next day.


5 posted on 02/12/2008 5:15:41 PM PST by jimtorr
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To: coconutt2000
I make no doubt that your mileage may vary, but my own experience was that I bought a smaller iMac when I might very readily have been talked into a bigger one - which woulda been nice to have, but hardly justifiable. I came away thinking that the salesman was not on commission.

6 posted on 02/12/2008 5:36:05 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The Democratic Party is only a front for the political establishment in America - Big Journalism.)
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To: Swordmaker
I have no dog in the Mac/PC fight.

This guy sounds like an Obama voter - "I had no idea what I wanted but the atmosphere was great so I paid for a system I didn't need". I mean seriously, a big buck computer purchase and all he can talk about is the picture quality and the chairs in the store?

7 posted on 02/12/2008 6:23:31 PM PST by m1911
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To: utherdoul
LOL!

I don't care who you are (alright, maybe not Steve Jobs) that there is funny!

8 posted on 02/12/2008 6:32:50 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Bureaucracy is a parasite that preys on Free Thought and suffocates Free Spirit.)
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To: utherdoul

If all you care about is gaming, why are you looking at Macs in the first place?

Hell, why are you looking at computers?

Get a PS3, 360, or Wii.


9 posted on 02/12/2008 6:33:22 PM PST by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is a catastrophe.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
I came away thinking that the salesman was not on commission.

They aren't.

10 posted on 02/12/2008 6:57:03 PM PST by Swordmaker (We can fix this, but you're gonna need a butter knife, a roll of duct tape, and a car battery.)
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To: utherdoul
... the unit is compatiable with more than 90% of current software

Sorry to disappoint you, but we refuse to degrade the Mac to only be compatible with 90% of current software. We prefer the current 100% compatibility...

Oh, and the 20" Core 2 Duo 2.0Ghz iMac is $1 less expensive than you want to spend... so sorry.

11 posted on 02/12/2008 7:05:03 PM PST by Swordmaker (We can fix this, but you're gonna need a butter knife, a roll of duct tape, and a car battery.)
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To: Terpfen; Bloody Sam Roberts

Well pc games are easier to patch, easier to mod, easier to expand and I can much more easily adjust graphical and other settings. I greatly prefer the keyboard/mouse interface to a standard controller and I can upgrade my components without a great deal of difficulty. Not to mention some of my favorite games are pc only (the gothic series comes to mind).

Not only that in my narrow generalization usually there are only a few types people who use macs non-professioonally. Snotty preppy kids with rich parents, unemployed artists, and the socialist college types you usually see discussing Chompsky over organic fair trade Vietnam coffee in your local starbucks or Panera, and the insane vegan I work with.

and to Bloody Sam that movie is hilarious its been around for awhile but it has yet to make me stop laughing.


12 posted on 02/12/2008 7:11:05 PM PST by utherdoul
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To: Swordmaker

wow 1 massive gigabyte of memory, and an ultra fast ATI Radeon HD 2400 XT with no fan that can play DVD movies!!

but I’m a gamer I need more memory than that lets see up that to two gigs so I don’t have to go to an apple store to have them upgrade next year, bigger hard drive, office program and I’m over 2 grand. And I don’t see an option to add a video card that doesn’t suck.

Sorry more expensive, less performance, plastic case. Failure.


13 posted on 02/12/2008 7:17:26 PM PST by utherdoul
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To: utherdoul
Well pc games are easier to patch, easier to mod, easier to expand and I can much more easily adjust graphical and other settings.

PC games are not easier to patch, they are harder. You have to browse to a website, download an exe file, then apply it independently. In contrast, the PS3 and 360 automatically download and apply updates transparently. (Steam functions in the same way, but about 99% of PC games don't use Steam.) Mods are desirable only by an insignificant percentage of players, so no one cares. Same with expansions. As for tweaking graphical settings, that's unnecessary on a console: the settings are already maxed out.

I greatly prefer the keyboard/mouse interface to a standard controller

Consoles accept the keyboard and mouse as legitimate input devices in games. Supreme Commander is being ported to the 360, after all.

Not only that in my narrow generalization usually there are only a few types people who use macs non-professioonally.

Your generalizations are indeed narrow, and about ten years out of date, as the article attests. (You DID read the article, right?)
14 posted on 02/12/2008 7:18:36 PM PST by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is a catastrophe.)
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To: utherdoul
but I’m a gamer I need more memory than that lets see up that to two gigs so I don’t have to go to an apple store to have them upgrade next year

Logical fallacy. Macs have user-upgradeable RAM, and have had said option for many years now. Furthermore, 1 GB is fine for gaming: Team Fortress 2 runs at 60 FPS on my four year old PC with everything turned up.

And I don’t see an option to add a video card that doesn’t suck.

"Doesn't suck" and "bleeding edge" are two different concepts.
15 posted on 02/12/2008 7:20:43 PM PST by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is a catastrophe.)
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To: utherdoul

Funny! I used MACs at a graphic arts night school, in ‘98, to learn PhotoShop, Illustrator and Quark Express, and they crashed every 45mins, like clockwork. We spent more time reloading software than we did learning.

Sucks to own a MAC, IMO.


16 posted on 02/12/2008 7:25:19 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: Terpfen

Your generalizations are a bit more narrow than mine, Mods while they don’t appeal to every gamer have kept games thrumming long after they would normally be retired and forgotten. Check out the Baldur’s gate II and Morrowind to name a few. Expansions tend to be snapped up pretty quickly and often make a tidy a chunk of change.

While console’s are by default maxed out a computer with the proper hardware and tweaking can produce better stability and better graphics.

Your point about the keyboard and mouse is taken but even so you didn’t address the fact that some games are PC only and they tend to be fairly impressive.

Not to mention the fact that I can select quite a few different kinds of hardware at good prices and slap myself together a decent box for less than a comperable mac. I’m sure you can do it with a Mac but I would imagine its more expensive.

And about my generalizations I’ve yet to see anything that contradicts them, one shrill article about teh uberness of teh Apple won’t change the fact that PCs are and will remain the dominate form of computer for the forseeable future.


17 posted on 02/12/2008 7:26:46 PM PST by utherdoul
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To: Swordmaker

I enjoyed the article. The guy is a good writer. I’ll leave the techie complaints to others.


18 posted on 02/12/2008 7:28:31 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Terpfen

Your comparing apples and oranges here. an ati radeon 2400 is about as low end as you can get with a modern computer, the damned thing (or at least the 256 edition) doesn’t have a fan!! That means no overclocking without cooking your hardware and very little oomph, I can’t see that thing running any modern game on anything but the lowest settings if your lucky.

I’m not a bleeding edge kind of a guy if they’d offered a few alternatives that would appeal to gamers or power users even something like an nvidia 7600, or 8600 which you can get for only a few bills I’d concede your point.

But that machine looks like complete style of substance. I hate style love substance in my electronics.


19 posted on 02/12/2008 7:30:32 PM PST by utherdoul
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To: utherdoul
Mods while they don’t appeal to every gamer have kept games thrumming long after they would normally be retired and forgotten.

By a very select few people. Mods used to be huge--I have fond memories of Loki's Minions CTF, Weapons Factory, Rocket Arena, and Orange Smoothie Productions' various releases--but mods are no longer relevant. They exist, but in the background. No one is going to buy Half-Life 2 for Garry's Mod, while in the past people did indeed buy games with an idea that the mod scene would be great. (Remember Tribes?)

While console’s are by default maxed out a computer with the proper hardware and tweaking can produce better stability and better graphics.

Only in your opinion. The PS3 version of Unreal Tournament III compares favorably to a PC running UT3 on max settings.

but even so you didn’t address the fact that some games are PC only and they tend to be fairly impressive.

Not really. The amount of PC-only games is dwindling. The 360 makes cross-platform development compelling for PC developers, and they've chosen to take advantage of it. If you really think that Supreme Commander, an RTS game, getting ported to a console doesn't signify something, you're nuts.

Not to mention the fact that I can select quite a few different kinds of hardware at good prices and slap myself together a decent box for less than a comperable mac.

No, you can't. Swordmaker has run the comparisons literally dozens of times. Unless you're getting pretty big discounts on each piece of hardware, you cannot customize a machine either through Newegg or an OEM that has equivalent specifications of a Mac for the same price.

one shrill article about teh uberness of teh Apple won’t change the fact that PCs are and will remain the dominate form of computer for the forseeable future.

Good thing it's not just "one shrill article," then, but rather mounting market share and mind share.

Tell me, if you don't like Apple, what in the hell are you doing commenting on this story? Besides trolling, I mean.
20 posted on 02/12/2008 7:34:06 PM PST by Terpfen (Romney's loss in Florida is a catastrophe.)
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