Those nice Vikings did a lot for us - and it wasn’t all pillaging[UK]

Times Online ^ | 13 Mar 2008 | Ben Hoyle

[Yardstick]

Wow, quite a scene.

[ThanhPhero]

“British cuisine?” I am unfamiliar with the concept. The juxtaposition of those words appears a bit incongruous, at least.

[investigateworld]

Ye olde ammo locker and larder is quite full here, where does one get the ‘historic DNA stuff done’?

[blam]

"...where does one get the ‘historic DNA stuff done’? "

I had my done here:

The Genographic Project (Have Your DNA Checked, Find Your Roots

[Billthedrill]

Well, near as I can figger it has a lot to do with boiling stuff you wouldn’t normally think would be very good boiled. Beef, for example. And you’d be right.

[investigateworld]

Thanks. My broher had his down and seem there is some linkage to ........

[blam]

If you and your brother have the same father and mother, your DNA will be the same. (At least for genological purposes)

[investigateworld]

Yes, we have the same two parents BUT HE had some French indicators/markers? .... I'm hoping I don't :^) (J/K - prolly from our Huguenot lineage.

[Boreas]

I had my done here:

The Genographic Project (Have Your DNA Checked, Find Your Roots

Because of blam, and only because of blam (his posts on the subject over the years), I had my DNA done at The Genographic Project last year. Paternally, I'm haplogroup I1a (now same as I1). Maternally, I'm haplogroup H. My paternal sequence has the M253 marker, which means that my male ancestor arrived in Britain with the Anglo-Saxons, or later with the Vikings. There isn't enough resolution with the Genographic's 12 STRs (short tandem repeats) to be more exact.

Those with haplogroup I are fortunate to have a good mailing list, and Dr. Ken Nordtvedt:

Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-L Archives

Index of /~knordtvedt

[BIGLOOK]

Jellied Eel was certainly a hit!


(Sven.....check the bilges for larder..)

[blam]

See the info in post #49.

Boreas, I was suprised to find that my mtDNA is haplpgroup 'V' as are 52% of the Skolt Sa'ami of northern Finand. (Reindeer herders) But, so are Benjamin Franklin and Bono(U2) so..I'm cool.

My dad's mother, Mrs Smith, is related to 9,000 Year Old Cheddar Man haplogroup U5a (Ancient DNA), another haplogroup popular with the Sa'ami. Haplogroup U5a is very old.

[Boreas]

Boreas, I was suprised to find that my mtDNA is haplpgroup 'V'

Yes, I noticed that in some of your posts, and I've kept an eye out for more examples, but you are indeed cool. Perhaps your people moved further north during a warming, or maybe they were trapped there for a while, etc. If I find something I'll let you know.

My dad's mother, Mrs Smith, is related to...

My paternal side is from Somerset, not far from Cheddar, so I was half expecting U5a, but it came back Anglo-Saxon or Viking. Next I'll be doing my father's mother's side. They came from Devon.

This whole field is really progressing quickly, so I think that in a few years (with all the new markers being found) a lot more refinement will be possible.

[blam]

I read somewhere that the U5a's in Scotland and Finland were so closely related that they must have been connected prior to the rise of the oceans at the end of the Ice Age that seperated them. Article here.

I think the 'V's' and U5a's followed the decline of the glaciers north as they melted.

BTW, there is a 23,000 year old Cheddar Man too but I don't know anything about him. Oppenheimer mentions him in his book, Origins Of The British which you'd like.

[shuckmaster]

between the 9th and 13th centuries, the Vikings became an integral part

Do you know of any instances where the descendants of the invaders and the homelanders didn't assimilate within 500 years while living in the same neighborhood?

[KungFuBrad]

your right, no one in England would have any idea or opinions on what is going on in America. Professors never have a liberal agenda, especially those in the UK. In fact they sit back and mind their own business when it comes to politics.

Even if this guy doesn’t have an agenda those who run with the story will. I can tell you right now that there are no historians in the world who don’t have a political slant, a reason for why they say what they say. No one in their right mind would say that everything the Vikings did where bad. However we look at the Vikings we can not get away from the fact that for the most part they sailed in their boats, attacked settlements and took away the loot to their homeland.

Every paper ever written on history has an agenda. What is the agenda?

[SunkenCiv]

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