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Those nice Vikings did a lot for us - and it wasn’t all pillaging[UK]
Times Online ^ | 13 Mar 2008 | Ben Hoyle

Posted on 03/13/2009 10:24:11 AM PDT by BGHater

From the moment that they ransacked a remote priory at Lindisfarne in 793, the Vikings have had a bad press.

The Anglo-Saxon Chronicle’s entry for the year says that the raiders made “lamentable havoc in the church of God in Holy-island, by rapine and slaughter”, fixing the popular image of the Vikings for the next 1,200 years. New evidence suggests that many of the Norse invaders were in fact model immigrants.

Historians will try to redress the balance today at a conference at the University of Cambridge and show that the Vikings who settled in Britain and Ireland were technologically sophisticated, swapped ideas and often lived in relative harmony with Anglo-Saxons and Celts.

“The latest evidence does not point to a simple opposition between ‘Vikings’ and ‘natives’,” said Fiona Edmonds, of the Department of Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic at the university. “Within a relatively short space of time — and with lasting effect — the various cultures in Britain and Ireland started to intermingle. Investigating that process provides us with a historical model of how political groups can be absorbed into complex societies, contributing much to those societies in the process. There are important lessons that can be gained from this about cultural assimilation in the modern era.”

The findings are based on new archaeological evidence, historical studies and analysis of the language, literature and coinage of the period. Together they illustrate how between the 9th and 13th centuries, the Vikings became an integral part of social and political life in Britain and Ireland and changed both countries more profoundly than is generally realised.

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: assimilation; godsgravesglyphs; uk; viking; vikings
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1 posted on 03/13/2009 10:24:12 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: SunkenCiv

model immigrants ping.


2 posted on 03/13/2009 10:24:33 AM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: BGHater
Well, I should hope! They did, after all, have a heavy influence on British cuisine.
3 posted on 03/13/2009 10:25:43 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: BGHater
New evidence suggests that many of the Norse invaders were in fact model immigrants.

Yeah, comparing them to Muslims the Vikings were model immigrants.

4 posted on 03/13/2009 10:26:07 AM PDT by MeganC (January 20, 2013)
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To: BGHater
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sometimes you can even drink beer with them
5 posted on 03/13/2009 10:27:22 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: BGHater
The Vikings were the victims of unethical travel agents.

Most of them just wanted to head South in the Spring for a break. How were they to know that there were no ATMS in the Isles and France?

Due to no ATMs and being left to their own devices by the unethical travel agents, they had to sack the monasteries to get the cash the non-existent ATMs couldn't supply. They are victims.

6 posted on 03/13/2009 10:29:06 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: BGHater

So what we are being told here is that illegal immigrants are kind, lovable and help our culture not hurt it. This is veiled political correctness. As a history teacher I always look at the underlying politics of any “new” outlook on currently historical beliefs. Accept the illegal immigrants and the legal ones trying to change your laws and culture. Its good for you. That’s the real message here.


7 posted on 03/13/2009 10:30:27 AM PDT by KungFuBrad (White Devil http://whitedevilredangel.mee.nu/)
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To: BGHater

My DNA indicates that I am a Dane (maybe a Viking?) who went to Ireland in ancient times and stayed. (R1b, DYS390-23)


8 posted on 03/13/2009 10:31:26 AM PDT by blam
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To: KungFuBrad

that should be (currently held historical beliefs)


9 posted on 03/13/2009 10:32:22 AM PDT by KungFuBrad (White Devil http://whitedevilredangel.mee.nu/)
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To: KungFuBrad
Without ‘illegal immigrants’ America wouldn't be what it is today.

Countries and history is nothing but conquest and destruction.

10 posted on 03/13/2009 10:33:26 AM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: BGHater

All those tall, round stone monastery structures in Co. Wicklow, with the entry door quite a ways off the ground and only accessible via ladder, where the monks would retreat when Vikings came a-pillaging, would tend to undermine this historical revisionism.


11 posted on 03/13/2009 10:35:12 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: BGHater
"Countries and history is nothing but conquest and destruction rebirth ; literally.
12 posted on 03/13/2009 10:35:22 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: BGHater
the various cultures in Britain and Ireland started to intermingle

"intermingle" (verb, from Old Norse): to administer an ax in the back or a sword across the throat.

13 posted on 03/13/2009 10:35:51 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: BGHater

“Deliver us, O Lord, from the fury of the Norsemen.
They ravage our lands, they kill our women and children!”
8th Century English prayer.


14 posted on 03/13/2009 10:36:00 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ((B.?) Hussein (Obama?Soetoro?Dunhem?), change America will die for.)
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To: blam

Same here. Distantly my haplogroup is IA1, which is called the Viking haplogroup. My most recent ancestors were Irish and English. Strange to contemplate that I may have berserkers in my lineage.


15 posted on 03/13/2009 10:37:03 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: BGHater

Correct. They left many blond hairs and blue eyes on the British Isles...


16 posted on 03/13/2009 10:37:43 AM PDT by WayneS (Respect the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th)
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To: BGHater
Vikings who settled in Britain and Ireland were technologically sophisticated, swapped ideas and often lived in relative harmony with Anglo-Saxons and Celts.

As a Viking in large part, I can safely say that we swapped some excellent ideas for their women and valuables and lived in harmony with their relatives (read wives).

17 posted on 03/13/2009 10:42:13 AM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies
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To: BGHater

The Guizer Jarl is silhouetted as members of his Viking Squad walk around a long boat with burning torches during the annual Up Helly Aa Festival, in Lerwick, Shetland Islands on January 29th, 2008. Up Helly Aa celebrates the influence of the Scandinavian vikings in the Shetland Islands. (Carl de Souza/AFP/Getty Images) #


18 posted on 03/13/2009 10:43:15 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: BGHater

Just ransack a couple of villages and rape their women and suddenly you’re some terrible person.


19 posted on 03/13/2009 10:45:11 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: BGHater
(Reading note attached to back of shield) - "Rape and pillage, then burn..."
20 posted on 03/13/2009 10:46:40 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid


21 posted on 03/13/2009 10:47:27 AM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: BGHater
"Keep It Simple Stupid"

The Celts and Druids didn't invade Scandinavia because?

22 posted on 03/13/2009 10:52:47 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Paladin2

Roman influence?


23 posted on 03/13/2009 10:55:00 AM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: KungFuBrad

No. What we’re being told is that “between the 9th and 13th centuries, the Vikings became an integral part of social and political life in Britain and Ireland and changed both countries more profoundly than is generally realised.”

I doubt that Dr. Edmonds, Cambridge University’s Lecturer in Celtic History give a rat’s *ss about your politcal issue of illegal immigration along the US/Mexican border.
Her bio: http://www.asnc.cam.ac.uk/people/senior/fedmonds.htm

God. It is a shallow life that looks at everything with a conspiratorial bent and through the guise of American politics.


24 posted on 03/13/2009 11:01:24 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: BGHater
Heck, I have no idea.

It could be because they were satisfied with their situation. It could be because the Romans made them Socialists. Who knows.

The "Vikings" were all about Shumpterian Creative Destruction and being the local version of the "Jeffersons" ("Movin' on Up"). Besides they helped to get the gender distinction of words out of the English Language.

25 posted on 03/13/2009 11:20:27 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: BGHater
Without ‘illegal immigrants’ America wouldn't be what it is today.

Yeah, a country with a major illegal immigration problem.

26 posted on 03/13/2009 11:20:30 AM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: Isabel C.

You have to agree that NA was subject to heavy “illegal” immigration prior to the adoption of the Constitution of the US.


27 posted on 03/13/2009 11:23:29 AM PDT by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: blam

“My DNA indicates that I am a Dane (maybe a Viking?) who went to Ireland in ancient times and stayed...”

Man, how old are you anyway?


28 posted on 03/13/2009 11:53:56 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: BGHater

I detect the scent of pro-immigration propaganda.


29 posted on 03/13/2009 12:26:06 PM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: stinkerpot65

Legal Immigration is cool.

Illegal immigration bad.

Lets not confuse them.


30 posted on 03/13/2009 12:27:44 PM PDT by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: behzinlea
"Distantly my haplogroup is IA1, which is called the Viking haplogroup."

My neighbor, who is an immigrant from New Zealand, is also I1a.

The R1b's spent the Ice Age in the Iberian refuge while the I's were in the Baltic refuge at the same time.

31 posted on 03/13/2009 12:31:28 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Some of my ancestors were Norwegians that “vacationed” in England and stayed.


32 posted on 03/13/2009 2:09:43 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (I am inconsolate over the death of our country.)
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Viking burial ground dispels myth of longship marauders
The Guardian | Tuesday September 7, 2004 | Lee Glendinning and Maev Kennedy
Posted on 09/21/2004 2:11:40 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1222148/posts

Histories: Viking longships brought rape, pillage and cod
New Scientist | June 29, 2008 | Gail Vines
Posted on 07/09/2008 9:54:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2042968/posts


33 posted on 03/13/2009 7:04:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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34 posted on 03/13/2009 7:04:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: TexasRepublic; behzinlea
Did they have large teeth?

Where Do The Finns Come From?

"Grave findings have shown that late Palaeolithic settlers in central Europe and their Mesolithic descendants in the Scandinavian Peninsula were Europoids, who had compartively large teeth - a seemingly comical detail, but nevertheless an important factor in identifying these populations. Although it is very unlikely that the language of these settlers will ever be identified, I cannot see any grounds for the theory that either of these groups spoke Proto-Uralic."

"East Europeans have small teeth compared with the relatively large teeth of the Scandinavian, a peculiarity deriving from an age-old genetic distinction. Ancient skulls tell usthat the early settlers of east Europe were mostly descendants of an ancient east European population which lived in prolonged isolation from the Scandinavians. Perhaps the "Siberian" element in Finnish genes is, in fact, east European in origin? "

35 posted on 03/13/2009 7:06:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: KungFuBrad

You are very astute.

The Vikings weren’t all bad, but in the long run, they helped create the “Dark Ages” along with the Muslims and Magyars.

The Vikings and Magyars became civilized with time but the Muslims are still, well, Muslims,


36 posted on 03/13/2009 7:23:37 PM PDT by ZULU (Obamanation of Desolation is President. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: Paladin2; SunkenCiv

The Celts didn’t need to conquer the Viking by invasion - they did so (in a way) through the kidnappings. The Vikings favored the lovely hardy red-haired lasses they encountered and took them home to breed... many Vikings had Celtic mothers and were raised by them, not their absent fathers.

So I’ve been told. :)


37 posted on 03/13/2009 8:00:43 PM PDT by ValerieTexas
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To: ValerieTexas
The Vikings favored the lovely hardy red-haired lasses they encountered and took them home to breed...

At last! An opinion totally devoid of bias! Something much needed on this forum!
LOL!

Hi Val Go Ahead: Click It!
How ya been doin'?

38 posted on 03/13/2009 9:05:08 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: PurpleMan

[I doubt that Dr. Edmonds, Cambridge University’s Lecturer in Celtic History give a rat’s *ss about your politcal issue of illegal immigration along the US/Mexican border.
Her bio: http://www.asnc.cam.ac.uk/people/senior/fedmonds.htm]

She looks like an illegal alien lover to me.


39 posted on 03/13/2009 9:58:46 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: blam
"Where Do The Finns Come From?"

I always liked the idea that Scandanavians are descendants of what was left of ancient Trojan exiles.

yitbos

40 posted on 03/13/2009 10:36:12 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: Red_Devil 232

Wow, quite a scene.


41 posted on 03/13/2009 10:39:32 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Billthedrill

“British cuisine?” I am unfamiliar with the concept. The juxtaposition of those words appears a bit incongruous, at least.


42 posted on 03/14/2009 5:29:48 AM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: blam
Ye olde ammo locker and larder is quite full here, where does one get the ‘historic DNA stuff done’?
43 posted on 03/14/2009 3:52:38 PM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld
"...where does one get the ‘historic DNA stuff done’? "

I had my done here:

The Genographic Project (Have Your DNA Checked, Find Your Roots

44 posted on 03/14/2009 11:27:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: ThanhPhero

Well, near as I can figger it has a lot to do with boiling stuff you wouldn’t normally think would be very good boiled. Beef, for example. And you’d be right.


45 posted on 03/14/2009 11:54:18 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: blam

Thanks. My broher had his down and seem there is some linkage to ........


46 posted on 03/15/2009 11:39:47 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: investigateworld

If you and your brother have the same father and mother, your DNA will be the same. (At least for genological purposes)


47 posted on 03/15/2009 11:47:05 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Yes, we have the same two parents BUT HE had some French indicators/markers? .... I'm hoping I don't :^) (J/K - prolly from our Huguenot lineage.
48 posted on 03/15/2009 11:50:43 AM PDT by investigateworld ( Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: blam
I had my done here:

The Genographic Project (Have Your DNA Checked, Find Your Roots


Because of blam, and only because of blam (his posts on the subject over the years), I had my DNA done at The Genographic Project last year. Paternally, I'm haplogroup I1a (now same as I1). Maternally, I'm haplogroup H. My paternal sequence has the M253 marker, which means that my male ancestor arrived in Britain with the Anglo-Saxons, or later with the Vikings. There isn't enough resolution with the Genographic's 12 STRs (short tandem repeats) to be more exact.

Those with haplogroup I are fortunate to have a good mailing list, and Dr. Ken Nordtvedt:

Y-DNA-HAPLOGROUP-I-L Archives

Index of /~knordtvedt
49 posted on 03/15/2009 4:46:53 PM PDT by Boreas (Character is destiny)
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To: Billthedrill


Jellied Eel was certainly a hit!


(Sven.....check the bilges for larder..)

50 posted on 03/15/2009 4:57:19 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress! It's the sensible solution to restore Command to the People.)
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