Skip to comments.Those nice Vikings did a lot for us - and it wasn’t all pillaging[UK]
Posted on 03/13/2009 10:24:11 AM PDT by BGHater
From the moment that they ransacked a remote priory at Lindisfarne in 793, the Vikings have had a bad press.
The Anglo-Saxon Chronicles entry for the year says that the raiders made lamentable havoc in the church of God in Holy-island, by rapine and slaughter, fixing the popular image of the Vikings for the next 1,200 years. New evidence suggests that many of the Norse invaders were in fact model immigrants.
Historians will try to redress the balance today at a conference at the University of Cambridge and show that the Vikings who settled in Britain and Ireland were technologically sophisticated, swapped ideas and often lived in relative harmony with Anglo-Saxons and Celts.
The latest evidence does not point to a simple opposition between Vikings and natives, said Fiona Edmonds, of the Department of Anglo-Saxon, Norse and Celtic at the university. Within a relatively short space of time and with lasting effect the various cultures in Britain and Ireland started to intermingle. Investigating that process provides us with a historical model of how political groups can be absorbed into complex societies, contributing much to those societies in the process. There are important lessons that can be gained from this about cultural assimilation in the modern era.
The findings are based on new archaeological evidence, historical studies and analysis of the language, literature and coinage of the period. Together they illustrate how between the 9th and 13th centuries, the Vikings became an integral part of social and political life in Britain and Ireland and changed both countries more profoundly than is generally realised.
(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...
model immigrants ping.
Yeah, comparing them to Muslims the Vikings were model immigrants.
Most of them just wanted to head South in the Spring for a break. How were they to know that there were no ATMS in the Isles and France?
Due to no ATMs and being left to their own devices by the unethical travel agents, they had to sack the monasteries to get the cash the non-existent ATMs couldn't supply. They are victims.
So what we are being told here is that illegal immigrants are kind, lovable and help our culture not hurt it. This is veiled political correctness. As a history teacher I always look at the underlying politics of any new outlook on currently historical beliefs. Accept the illegal immigrants and the legal ones trying to change your laws and culture. Its good for you. Thats the real message here.
My DNA indicates that I am a Dane (maybe a Viking?) who went to Ireland in ancient times and stayed. (R1b, DYS390-23)
that should be (currently held historical beliefs)
Countries and history is nothing but conquest and destruction.
All those tall, round stone monastery structures in Co. Wicklow, with the entry door quite a ways off the ground and only accessible via ladder, where the monks would retreat when Vikings came a-pillaging, would tend to undermine this historical revisionism.
"intermingle" (verb, from Old Norse): to administer an ax in the back or a sword across the throat.
“Deliver us, O Lord, from the fury of the Norsemen.
They ravage our lands, they kill our women and children!”
8th Century English prayer.
Same here. Distantly my haplogroup is IA1, which is called the Viking haplogroup. My most recent ancestors were Irish and English. Strange to contemplate that I may have berserkers in my lineage.
Correct. They left many blond hairs and blue eyes on the British Isles...
As a Viking in large part, I can safely say that we swapped some excellent ideas for their women and valuables and lived in harmony with their relatives (read wives).
The Guizer Jarl is silhouetted as members of his Viking Squad walk around a long boat with burning torches during the annual Up Helly Aa Festival, in Lerwick, Shetland Islands on January 29th, 2008. Up Helly Aa celebrates the influence of the Scandinavian vikings in the Shetland Islands. (Carl de Souza/AFP/Getty Images) #
Just ransack a couple of villages and rape their women and suddenly you’re some terrible person.
The Celts and Druids didn't invade Scandinavia because?
No. What we’re being told is that “between the 9th and 13th centuries, the Vikings became an integral part of social and political life in Britain and Ireland and changed both countries more profoundly than is generally realised.”
I doubt that Dr. Edmonds, Cambridge University’s Lecturer in Celtic History give a rat’s *ss about your politcal issue of illegal immigration along the US/Mexican border.
Her bio: http://www.asnc.cam.ac.uk/people/senior/fedmonds.htm
God. It is a shallow life that looks at everything with a conspiratorial bent and through the guise of American politics.
It could be because they were satisfied with their situation. It could be because the Romans made them Socialists. Who knows.
The "Vikings" were all about Shumpterian Creative Destruction and being the local version of the "Jeffersons" ("Movin' on Up"). Besides they helped to get the gender distinction of words out of the English Language.
Yeah, a country with a major illegal immigration problem.
You have to agree that NA was subject to heavy “illegal” immigration prior to the adoption of the Constitution of the US.
“My DNA indicates that I am a Dane (maybe a Viking?) who went to Ireland in ancient times and stayed...”
Man, how old are you anyway?
I detect the scent of pro-immigration propaganda.
Legal Immigration is cool.
Illegal immigration bad.
Lets not confuse them.
My neighbor, who is an immigrant from New Zealand, is also I1a.
The R1b's spent the Ice Age in the Iberian refuge while the I's were in the Baltic refuge at the same time.
Some of my ancestors were Norwegians that “vacationed” in England and stayed.
Viking burial ground dispels myth of longship marauders
The Guardian | Tuesday September 7, 2004 | Lee Glendinning and Maev Kennedy
Posted on 09/21/2004 2:11:40 AM EDT by SunkenCiv
Histories: Viking longships brought rape, pillage and cod
New Scientist | June 29, 2008 | Gail Vines
Posted on 07/09/2008 9:54:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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"Grave findings have shown that late Palaeolithic settlers in central Europe and their Mesolithic descendants in the Scandinavian Peninsula were Europoids, who had compartively large teeth - a seemingly comical detail, but nevertheless an important factor in identifying these populations. Although it is very unlikely that the language of these settlers will ever be identified, I cannot see any grounds for the theory that either of these groups spoke Proto-Uralic."
"East Europeans have small teeth compared with the relatively large teeth of the Scandinavian, a peculiarity deriving from an age-old genetic distinction. Ancient skulls tell usthat the early settlers of east Europe were mostly descendants of an ancient east European population which lived in prolonged isolation from the Scandinavians. Perhaps the "Siberian" element in Finnish genes is, in fact, east European in origin? "
You are very astute.
The Vikings weren’t all bad, but in the long run, they helped create the “Dark Ages” along with the Muslims and Magyars.
The Vikings and Magyars became civilized with time but the Muslims are still, well, Muslims,
The Celts didn’t need to conquer the Viking by invasion - they did so (in a way) through the kidnappings. The Vikings favored the lovely hardy red-haired lasses they encountered and took them home to breed... many Vikings had Celtic mothers and were raised by them, not their absent fathers.
So I’ve been told. :)
At last! An opinion totally devoid of bias! Something much needed on this forum!
[I doubt that Dr. Edmonds, Cambridge Universitys Lecturer in Celtic History give a rats *ss about your politcal issue of illegal immigration along the US/Mexican border.
Her bio: http://www.asnc.cam.ac.uk/people/senior/fedmonds.htm]
She looks like an illegal alien lover to me.
I always liked the idea that Scandanavians are descendants of what was left of ancient Trojan exiles.
Wow, quite a scene.
“British cuisine?” I am unfamiliar with the concept. The juxtaposition of those words appears a bit incongruous, at least.
I had my done here:
Well, near as I can figger it has a lot to do with boiling stuff you wouldn’t normally think would be very good boiled. Beef, for example. And you’d be right.
Thanks. My broher had his down and seem there is some linkage to ........
If you and your brother have the same father and mother, your DNA will be the same. (At least for genological purposes)
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