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Thoughts on Urban Survival (Argentinian's first hand experience-When the SHTF)
Frugal's Forums Archive ^ | October 20, 2005 | Ferfal

Posted on 03/14/2009 7:29:25 PM PDT by listenhillary

This essay as well as other survival articles can be found on: http://www.buildanark.net/

As someone living and surviving a current real SHTF situation there are tons of insight and information to be gleaned from this man. Read and heed folks - READ AND HEED!!

Final note: I've done some minor editing for clarity only. FerFal's words speak volumes. Everyone should copy this and many of his other entries to get a clear insight of what we will be dealing with WHEN the SHTF. Thanks FerFal!

My brother visited Argentina a few weeks ago. He’s been living in Spain for a few years now. Within the first week, he got sick, some kind of strong flu, even though climate isn’t that cold and he took care of himself. Without a doubt he got sick because there are lots of new viruses in my country that can’t be found in 1st world countries. The misery and famine lead us to a situation where, even though you have food, shelter and health care, most of others don’t, and therefore they get sick and spread the diseases all over the region.

What got me started on this post is the fact that I actually saw this coming, and posted on the subject here at Frugal’s, months before the new viruses spread over the country and the news started talking about this new, health emergency, which proves that talking, thinking and sharing ideas with like minded people (you guys), does help to see things coming and prepare for them with enough time. So I started thinking about several issues, what I learned (either the hard way or thanks to this forum) after all these years of living in a collapsed country that is trying to get out an economical disaster and everything that comes along with it. Though my English is limited, I hope I’m able to transmit the main ideas and concepts, giving you a better image of what you may have to deal with some day, if the economy collapses in your country. Here is what I have so far:

URBAN OR COUNTRY?

Someone once asked me how did those that live in the country fare. If they were better off than city dwellers. As always there are no simple answers. Wish I could say country good, city bad, but I can’t, because if I have to be completely honest, and I intend to be so, there are some issues that have to be analyzed, especially security. Of course that those that live in the country and have some land and animals were better prepared food-wise. No need to have several acres full of crops. A few fruit trees, some animals, such as chickens, cows and rabbits, and a small orchard was enough to be light years ahead of those in the cities. Chickens, eggs and rabbits would provide the proteins, a cow or two for milk and cheese, some vegetables and fruit plants covered the vegetable diet, and some eggs or a rabbit could be traded for flower to make bread and pasta or sugar and salt.

Of course that there are exceptions, for example, some provinces up north have desert climate and it almost never rains. It is almost impossible to live of the land, and animals require food and water you have to buy. Those guys had it bad; no wonder the Northern provinces suffer the most in my country. Those that live in cities, well they have to manage as they can. Since food prices went up about 200%-300%. People would cut expenses wherever they could so they could buy food. Some ate whatever they could; they hunted birds or ate street dogs and cats, others starved. When it comes to food, cities suck in a crisis. It is usually the lack of food or the impossibility to acquire it that starts the rioting and looting when TSHTF.

When it comes to security things get even more complicated. Forget about shooting those that mean you harm from 300 yards away with your MBR. Leave that notion to armchair commandos and 12 year old kids that pretend to be grown ups on the internet.

Some facts:

1) Those that want to harm you/steal from you don’t come with a pirate flag waving over their heads.

2) Neither do they start shooting at you 200 yards away.

3) They won’t come riding loud bikes or dressed with their orange, convict just escaped from prison jump suits, so that you can identify them the better. Nor do they all wear chains around their necks and leather jackets. If I had a dollar for each time a person that got robbed told me “They looked like NORMAL people, dressed better than we are”, honestly, I would have enough money for a nice gun. There are exceptions, but don’t expect them to dress like in the movies.

4) A man with a wife and two or three kids can’t set up a watch. I don’t care if you are SEAL, SWAT or John Freaking Rambo, no 6th sense is going to tell you that there is a guy pointing a gun at your back when you are trying to fix the water pump that just broke, or carrying a big heavy bag of dried beans you bought that morning.

The best alarm system anyone can have in a farm are dogs. But dogs can get killed and poisoned.

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TOPICS: Agriculture; Education; Food; Gardening
KEYWORDS: argentina; banglist; ferfal; homedefense; selfdefense; shtf; survival; survivalists; urbansurvival
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1 posted on 03/14/2009 7:29:25 PM PDT by listenhillary
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To: listenhillary

Continued

http://frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=044387;p=1


2 posted on 03/14/2009 7:29:59 PM PDT by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Ping


3 posted on 03/14/2009 7:37:25 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Brad's Gramma

I was trying to think of a survival, coming storm ping list and couldn’t think of any. My brain was tired.


4 posted on 03/14/2009 7:39:31 PM PDT by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: listenhillary

Lessons from Argentina’s economic collapse
http://www.powerswitch.org.uk/portal/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2079&Itemid=2

Be sure to notice the part about “Benetton” behind the Argentina link (far down in the account of conditions there). The media there are controlled by corporate globalist sponsors and are publishing lies about the economy.


5 posted on 03/14/2009 7:39:34 PM PDT by familyop (As painful as the global laxative might be, maybe our "one world" needs a good cleaning.)
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To: listenhillary

BTTT


6 posted on 03/14/2009 7:40:39 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: listenhillary

I’ve got Firefox, and I haven’t a clue how I did it, but there’s a link always open to that thread...so, trust me...it took NOTHING on my part.

:)


7 posted on 03/14/2009 7:40:53 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: listenhillary

Anyone NOT preparing for a SHTF senario is a fool.

There are too many ways for this Nation (and the World) to fall apart, and I don’t like what I am seeing coming out of D.C.


8 posted on 03/14/2009 7:42:23 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: listenhillary

Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2181392/posts
(over 4,500 comments and ongoing)


9 posted on 03/14/2009 7:43:37 PM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: listenhillary

I would argue about the Watch. I don’t really sleep so I’m always on Guard duty :)


10 posted on 03/14/2009 7:44:06 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Cacique

ping!


11 posted on 03/14/2009 7:44:14 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: familyop

That was the thread I thinking of. Thanks!


12 posted on 03/14/2009 7:44:28 PM PDT by listenhillary (Rahm Emmanuel slip - A crisis is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: listenhillary

bump


13 posted on 03/14/2009 7:53:20 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: listenhillary

bump


14 posted on 03/14/2009 8:22:51 PM PDT by Sal (The Mr. Cool mask has slipped and exposed the naked face of the Chicago Street Thug.)
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To: listenhillary

Reading this guy’s blog about Argentina after TSHTF made me feel just like I felt after watching “Omega Man” (Charleton Heston) as a kid.


15 posted on 03/14/2009 8:45:46 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: listenhillary

BTTT


16 posted on 03/14/2009 9:11:17 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: listenhillary

There is only one thing in the entire piece with which I disagree, and it is this characterization of part of the US population:

“believing that the government will ‘take care of them because they pay their taxes’”

Nope, these aren’t the real problem. It’s the people who believe the government will take care of them because OTHER people pay their taxes. In other words, the typical urban donk voters who elected zero...


17 posted on 03/14/2009 9:12:52 PM PDT by piytar (Obama = Mugabe wannabe. Wake up America.)
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To: listenhillary

Long read, but well worth it!


18 posted on 03/14/2009 9:19:49 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 54 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: listenhillary
On the news right now while I write this: We had elections last Sunday, we voted senators. It seems that in one of the north provinces people where surrendering their ID documents for bags of groceries, some for water, or for 10 pesos ( 3 USD) they were later taken to warehouses were they spent the night to ensure that they voted. The next day the candidate’s men took them to vote, hauled inside cattle trucks, like animals. When they arrived they were given their ID documents back with the number of list they had to vote. Thugs guide them and ensure they vote who they want.

Wow.
19 posted on 03/14/2009 9:27:01 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: listenhillary

ping to read


20 posted on 03/14/2009 9:27:59 PM PDT by sawmill trash (Now THAT is change we can believe in !)
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