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Targeting Lost Causers
Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck

My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: academia; confederacy; damnyankees; dixie; dunmoresproclamation; history; lincolnwasgreatest; neoconfeds; notthisagain; southern; southwasright
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To: BroJoeK
Once war began, the North's goals were first restoring the Union, later abolishing slavery.

Fairy tale.

On your final question, I'd say the issue of succession was settled in the Civil War, along with slavery.

Don't bank on it.

261 posted on 06/15/2009 11:04:40 AM PDT by central_va (www.15thVirginia.org Co. C, Patrick Henry Rifles)
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To: stand watie
i'm not responsible for the number that Blackerby evidently accepted as factual.

But you're the one who has constantly cited Blackerby as the irrefutable expert, as the researcher without peer on this subject. You've gone on and on about how the 1860 census is completely worthless, how nobody takes it seriously, how the DAR won't accept it, etc, but here's Blackerby, the foremost expert on the subject of blacks in the confederate forces, putting down that number without comment. Makes you wonder about the rest of his scholarship, don't you think?

262 posted on 06/15/2009 11:06:21 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Utter nonsense back to you. Here is the census data showing marriages.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/government/census/census_1850.html


263 posted on 06/15/2009 11:34:36 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge

Where does that say it includes slave marriages?


264 posted on 06/15/2009 11:44:01 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

Why would you think that they were excluded from the census?

You think that was caused by “Jim Crow” laws? You are becoming a jerk.


265 posted on 06/15/2009 11:54:19 AM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge
Why would you think that they were excluded from the census?

Because legally they did not exist. Marriage between slaves was not recognized by law because slaves were not people. They were property.

You think that was caused by “Jim Crow” laws? You are becoming a jerk.

Even a jerk would know that "Jim Crow" laws were post rebellion, once your Black Codes had been cancelled.

266 posted on 06/15/2009 12:17:38 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: stand watie
to those of you who don't know: it is NOT uncommon for ILL to take 90-180 day

Bull. Average wait is two to three weeks, a fact that anyone can look up instead of taking your unsubstantiated word. Of course, assuming that you're still in Northern Virginia, you could just go to the Fairfax County Library. They have a copy. In fact a number of libraries around that area seem to have copies. Use worldcat.org to find them.

For the record, it's been 84 days.

267 posted on 06/15/2009 1:37:43 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Of course the marriages existed, and they were documented where I said. Check the 1850 census again. You will find that the census taker asked if marriages had occurred. You are simply wrong.


268 posted on 06/15/2009 2:03:38 PM PDT by PeaRidge
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
SOORY, but i'm buying NONE of what you're peddling.

fyi, i seriously doubt that anyone else (with the possible exception of a FEW lunatics, BIGOTS & south-HATERS) believes you either, especially after you admitted that you had been BANNED FOREVER under another "alias" & then RETURNED with a "new alias", but with the same old DUMB questions/opinions/biases. then, when you realized that you would be banned AGAIN, you said that you LIED to me.(that was the END of ANYONE of FR believing you on ANY subject.)

fyi, your REPUTATION is firmly fixed as that of a SERIAL LIAR.

free dixie,sw

269 posted on 06/15/2009 2:23:40 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: PeaRidge
Of course the marriages existed, and they were documented where I said. Check the 1850 census again. You will find that the census taker asked if marriages had occurred. You are simply wrong.

I believe you are the one who is wrong. How could a marriage be registered in the census when it did not legally exist? Why would slaves be surveyed in the census in the first place when they were not considered people?

270 posted on 06/15/2009 2:31:02 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PeaRidge
You will find that the census taker asked if marriages had occurred.

Here is the 1850 census form. As you can see it was filled in by free inhabitants of a given locality and not by slaves.

271 posted on 06/15/2009 2:33:46 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
what part of post #252 did you NOT understand??? - you asked me what i thought & i told you.

i believe, if Blackerby was living/writing the same book today, that he would use a MUCH larger figure for FREE Blacks in antebellum dixie.

my guess (and that is what it is: a guess) is that there was about 1/2 million or more "free persons of colour", especially given the large size of families in the 19th Century.= ONE married couple from Smith County, TX (near where our family farm is) had 13 sons & 11 daughters in 20 years, including FOUR sets of twins.- NOT a record my any means in those days.

free dixie,sw

272 posted on 06/15/2009 2:36:26 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie
the census records (flawed though they certainly are),the TAX records,birth records,land titles,tribal records, manumission papers, the various state CSA pension records & many other public records indicate that the 240K number is FAR too LOW.

Complete nonsense.

273 posted on 06/15/2009 2:39:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: PeaRidge; All
he's not wrong. instead he's doing what he does: SPREADING the PROPAGANDA of the most extreme LEFTIST/statist/lunatic fringe of academia.

always remember that N-S is a PROPAGANDIST first & foremost & that LYING is his trade.UNFORTUNAYELY, he is GOOD at it.

free dixie,sw

274 posted on 06/15/2009 2:40:38 PM PDT by stand watie (Thus saith the Lord of Hosts, LET MY PEOPLE GO.)
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To: stand watie

aren’t you getting tired of LOOKING STUPID every time you “re-tell” the SAME dumb lies???


275 posted on 06/15/2009 3:11:52 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: stand watie
i believe, if Blackerby was living/writing the same book today, that he would use a MUCH larger figure for FREE Blacks in antebellum dixie.

So basically you're saying that Blackerby is a sloppy historian whose numbers can't be relied on. Good to know.

I don't suppose you can cite a single verifiable historian who supports your claims about there being a much larger number of free blacks in the south than Blackerby claims, can you?

By the way, do you know who Maryelissa Tyrona Brown-Bollin is?

276 posted on 06/15/2009 3:12:29 PM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

Wasn’t she a singer with The James Gang?


277 posted on 06/15/2009 5:18:54 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Ditto
Doing time travel again? Those states only “ratified” after the war under Reconstruction governments — you know, the Carpet Baggers and Scallywags you love to hate.

Time travel? The fall 1865 elections returned many confederates and Southerners to political office - including former Whigs and Unionists - even Alexander Stephens was elected to the Senate. Those men PASSED the 13th ending slavery.

278 posted on 06/15/2009 5:30:06 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Had all 15 slave states held together opposing the amendment, it would have taken 46 states to ratify it. Care to do the math?

I love math! But unfortunately, you can't even get 15 states to vote as a block then or today. But you can get the Northeast to legalize homosexual marriages, and force them on the rest of the republic.

279 posted on 06/15/2009 5:34:14 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Because legally they did not exist. Marriage between slaves was not recognized by law because slaves were not people. They were property.

Utter BS. Marriages were sanctioned by their masters, with Justices of the Peace performing the ceremonies. There are several cases recognizing their legal status, and several wills and trusts ajudicated after the war upheld the validity of the marriages.

280 posted on 06/15/2009 5:40:43 PM PDT by 4CJ (Annoy a liberal, honour Christians and our gallant Confederate dead)
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