Posted on 08/13/2009 12:07:59 PM PDT by P.O.E.
Incredibly, President George W. Bush told French President Jacques Chirac in early 2003 that Iraq must be invaded to thwart Gog and Magog, the Bible's satanic agents of the Apocalypse.
Honest. This isn't a joke. The president of the United States, in a top-secret phone call to a major European ally, asked for French troops to join American soldiers in attacking Iraq as a mission from God.
Now out of office, Chirac recounts that the American leader appealed to their "common faith" (Christianity) and told him:
"Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East. ... The biblical prophecies are being fulfilled. ... This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people's enemies before a New Age begins."
This bizarre -- seemingly deranged -- episode happened while the White House was assembling its "coalition of the willing" to unleash the Iraq invasion. Chirac says he was boggled by Bush's call, and "wondered how someone could be so superficial and fanatical in their beliefs."
(Excerpt) Read more at wvgazette.com ...
Duly noted and disregarded.
Turns out there’s net here at this CIRCLE K camp ground above Delores CO
And my roommate has a computer he’s not using at the moment. But I doubt I’ll be on much.
I’m sure Holy Spirit and you can figure out if and when and where to sail the ship, OuterSHIP! LOL.
LUB
I read you comment and your speculation does not fit the Bush quote. There is futurist infection in many churches. Even liberal churches like the Episcopal are open to this sort of error esp. since it smacks of conservatism.
I suspect he read some wacky book or was listening to some TV pop prophecy preacher and got a dose of it.
DISREGARDING
GOD’S WORD
Is NOT really MY problem.
LOL.
I have never heard the story. BTW Chirac is still alive. Perhaps you mean when he was got defeated by Sarkozy?
Yes, you are right about Chirac. I was probably thinking about when I heard the story related using a different leader’s name. The story has been floating around since before Bush’s second term.
Actually, after tooling around the internet and trying to find it, what I am remembering is the similar story that the libs have been circulating for many years about what Bush supposedly told Abu Mazen... That God told him to strike Iraq. It’s the same sort of derranged liberal mindset.
“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.”’ (Animal House)
Yeah, this doesn't even have the "feel" of truth. Christians don't try to stop prophecy; it's the ultimate in futility. We should try to uphold Godly principles and actions around us, but the notion that we would be able to stop prophecy has all the intelligence of the typical Hollywood movie about prophecy, antichrist, etc. Bush did show a biblical tin ear by constantly prattling on about a Palestinian state. After all, anything that further divides His land in Israel is wholly abiblical.
MM (in TX)
My sense is that I’m right on target. First, I’m an ordained minister in his denomination, and we are historically post-mil with a large group of amil in the current era. He was previously episcopal, again an amil denomination. Laura is a lifelong Methodist, so again the influences would not be dispensational.
Also, he always chose middle of the road churches to attend; never a dispensational one.
See my #210
You’re assuming that Pres. Bush wouldn’t have the ability to speak in metaphors. He’s actually a a pretty bright guy.
Got a source? Thanks.
“Got a source?”
Last September I taught a course on the book of Daniel. The paragraph was taken from my notes. Some of the sources I used concerning Nebuchadnezzar were:
“Babylonians” by H.W.F. Scruggs,
“A History of Israel in Old Testament Times” by Siegfried Hermann,
“A History of Israel” by John Bright,
and various research on internet sites.
The legend is that “Hanging Gardens” were a gift from Nebuchadnezzar to Amytis because she was bored with the barreness of Babylon and homesick for the green hills of Media.
Nebuchadnezzar to Amytis,
Thanks, b-d.
Limiting the concept of “Gog and Magog” to Middle East events is a hallmark of futurism, not amil, etc. Remember, errant futurism started with individuals associated with more mainline denoms. Anyone can pick up a Left Behind book and be duped.
In 2007, Dr. Romer recounted Bush's strange behavior in Lausanne University's review, Allez Savoir. A French-language Swiss newspaper, Le Matin Dimanche, printed a sarcastic account titled: "When President George W. Bush Saw the Prophesies of the Bible Coming to Pass." France's La Liberte likewise spoofed it under the headline "A Small Scoop on Bush, Chirac, God, Gog and Magog." But other news media missed the amazing report. Did Bush Justify the Iraq Invasion As Biblical Prophecy?
Perhaps it could be a new mission to persuade some
REPLACEMENTARIANS et al, to abandon such ways of life, then.
I’ll continue to trust the reports of those who prayed with him repeatedly face to face and who were connected to those who walked him out of his alcoholism etc. into his new relationship with Jesus.
Why would you suggest that dispensationalists only inhabit "dispensational churches"? The error is widespread.
Wasn’t Reagan also enamored with dispensationalism in spite of being a nominal member of a mainline (non-dispensational) denomination?
See The Effects of Dispensationalism on US Policy in the Middle East
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