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The Hobbit Hole XXXVIII - There and Back Again!

Posted on 09/23/2009 6:19:16 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog

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To: ExGeeEye

Thank you! I don’t post much but I am always here (open tab ya know)...


3,701 posted on 01/03/2012 8:07:35 PM PST by Peanut Gallery
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To: ExGeeEye

Stop! Thief!


3,702 posted on 01/03/2012 8:13:36 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Never Again! Except for the next time.)
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To: 300winmag
Hey Mister Mag! I finally have something for show-and-tell... After six-- count 'em-- six freaking months of waiting, my ATF tax stamps finally came through for my suppressors.

Here they are:

The little one is 6in long. It is an SWR Mfg. "Spectre" 22LR. It is also good for .223, 17HMR, 22WMR and 5.7mm. I've already shot this one with my Ruger Mk3 and it is [sigh]... wonderful. :-)

The bigger one is from "Advanced Armament Corp."and is the "Evolution .45" model. It is made for .45 ACP but will also work for 40SW, 9mm, and anything else similar.

The thing that really drove me to these two is that unlike many of the others on the market both of these are user-serviceable. Many of the suppressors on the market are sealed-- and cannot be cleaned. The only way to clean them is to send them off to the manufacturer. Don't like that.

Both of these are user-cleanable. They just unscrew and all the parts come open. Not that you'd clean them all that often. The manual even says that some coating of soot and powder residue actually helps with the suppression task. They only recommend cleaning after every 1000 rounds or so.

I'm all set for the .22 stuff. The guy at the gun shop is chasing down some threaded barrels for my various .45s, and my 9mm. Hopefully will have some good news there soon. :-)

3,703 posted on 01/03/2012 9:59:01 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius
I've already shot this one with my Ruger Mk3 and it is [sigh]... wonderful. :-)

Did you have a smoke afterwards? :)

I'm told a good suppressor on a Ruger makes it sound like dropping the hammer on an empty chamber.

I'm not too familiar with SWC, but AAC is high on my wish list. A lot will depend on what my buddy scares up at the SHOT show.

Congrats!!!!

3,704 posted on 01/04/2012 1:05:21 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

ooooh Kay... Got in some range time with the new .22 and suppressor today. Just... Wow. Its even quieter than I remembered from last summer. Good grief. You’re right about it sounding like a hammer falling on an empty chamber. That, along with a very pleasant “Pfft” and holes just silently appear in the paper. Any quieter and I think you could hear the paper tearing down range.

And yes... I did have a cigarette afterwards. :-)

I used a rest to sight in the Trijicon red-dot, and opted to zero it on 10 yards. I figure that’s a typical backyard vermin distance. There’s quite a lot of parallax with that sight, because it sits fairly high. With zero at 10, it is about an inch low at 7 and two inches high at 20 yards. Sometime I’ll try it outdoors to find out where the far zero is. My wild guess is that it’ll peak out at 3 or so inches by 50 yards and be back down to zero at 80 or 90... But that’s pushing the limits of serviceable range for a pistol I think.

I figure for most critters from 20 to 60 yards... Just hold a couple inches low (as if that was within my skill level anyway...) and it should be usefully on target.


3,705 posted on 01/04/2012 7:05:37 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius
You’re right about it sounding like a hammer falling on an empty chamber.

This is only third-hand, but apparently a little simple machine work will allow you to install a couple of hard plastic buffer pads inside the Ruger to kill the metal-on-metal sound. I'll be looking into that when I actually "achieve can".

And remember, when you have a new hammer, everything else starts looking like a nail. :)

3,706 posted on 01/04/2012 10:58:42 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ExGeeEye; ...
This week's Saturday Night Gun Pron marks the end of one project, I hope, and the start of a new one.

First, the replacement of a generic buffer tube on my M4E(economy) did not produce a noticeable change in accuracy, one way or another. This is good news, because it means I won't have to replace all the other buffer tubes on mine and my friend's. However, on the slim (yeah, right) chance I ever build another, I'll use another PWS buffer tube because I like its features, rigidity, and the fact that a special spanner is not needed.

I also used the rifle to try out the new Magpul MS3 tactical sling. There are some great $100 slings out there, while this is a great $45 sling, especially when used with the right hardware. It can switch between one-point and two-point use in seconds, and has a strong, reliable clamping system.

The big loop at the bottom of the picture is sewn in place, and is the handle for shortening or lengthening the sling. A closer view shows a few more details.

The swivel has a narrow-jaw clamp on the end that locks to a swivel or loop. In this case, the front has a Magpul fixed semicircular loop, while the back has a GG&G triangular loop, rather than a traditional oval that would be used to run the sling strap through. To convert to single-point carry, just unclamp the front clamp, and connect it to the big D-shaped loop next to the bottom of the pistol grip.

With this type of sling, the traditional oval loops really aren't needed, because you're connecting to a narrow clamp, rather than having a loop of strap material passing through the oval, so something more adaptable to a clamp should work better. Your mileage may vary.

My new project is to get the Ruger 22/45 ready to reliably function with subsonic ammo, while I'm waiting for the suppressor that might some day arrive. The first thing I've learned is that getting a .22 pistol to work reliably with subsonic ammo is hardly a trivial task. In fact, a lot of can-owners just say, "bag it", and shoot high-velocity .22s just to make sure things work right. This is far less of a problem with a suppressed rifle like the Ruger 10/22, although even it needs tweaking for subsonics. For the purist, nothing is a big deal if you stick to a bolt action .22.

In doing my research, I already picked up one handy, money-saving tip. Even if you don't have a suppressor, the subsonic .22 ammunition out there may shoot even better than the more expensive .22 match ammo on the market. It turns out that in rifles, the match ammo starts out supersonic, but then drops below sonic speeds. The bullet is buffeted by the shock wave as it slows down and the shock wave goes ahead of it. With subsonic ammo, there never was a sonic shock wave to begin with, so it may shoot better at a cheaper price. Another accuracy enhancer on a .22 target rifle is an efficient suppressor or flash hider. Both divert or delay a lot of the turbulent hot gases behind the bullet that can adversely affect its flight.

The first step in my research is to test all of the subsonic ammo I can get my hands on. Here's my test subjects so far, with four or five more bricks of other brands still on back order. What doesn't work well in a handgun will still find good use in a rifle.

I also learned that "old school" .22 plinkers make the best suppressed pistols. The Ruger is definitely "old school", even in its present incarnation. A number of people said the Beretta 87 Cheetah makes the best, and sexiest, suppressed .22. If you're going "old school", this is the absolute classic.

Just two problems with that: The model 87 is almost impossible to find (probably because it will soon be phased out as too expensive to make in today's world), and the longer target barrel is absolutely impossible to find.

Well, I bought that Beretta Cheetah last year on a whim. Maybe it was more than a whim, because I've never seen another new one in any of the stores I've been in since then. Aaaaand, I stumbled on one of those "impossible" long barrels. At the price they were asking, I could see why they're going the way of the dinosaur.

Still, with one half of the project already on hand, and money the only obstacle for the other main component, I figured a barrel in the hand was better than none in some future bush. I still have to send the barrel in to a company that does a nice job of cutting it down, and threading it for the now-standard 1/2x28 thread. Here's the Cheetah out for its first try with the "target" barrel.

I got 100% failure-to-feed from the Remington subsonic ammo in the long barrel, but 100% success in the original barrel. Back home, I noticed the feed ramps differ on the two barrels, and I'll have to make some careful adjustments to the long barrel. I'm sure there was once a caveat that went with the target barrel that said "minor gunsmith fitting may be needed".

I also learned something else. With just the short barrel in the Beretta, I had about 50% failure-to-feed with the RWS subsonic, but none with the Remington. This has convinced me that the Remington has a bit more "poke" than the RWS. So for now, my baseline test ammo will be the Remington. Until the pistol works reliably with Remington subsonic, I won't even try the other brands on it. That's one variable that has been pinned down for the duration of this project.

The other test procedure will be to slam lots of standard ammo through these handguns, just to assist in the break-in procedure. These 36-38 grain subsonic rounds exist on the ragged edge of the reliability envelope. I think the ammunition manufacturers thought they were doing us a favor by using lighter bullets with just enough propellant to get them out the barrel. While that certainly makes for less hot gases to be handled by a suppressor, handguns start getting cranky about it, as do autoloading rifles. The entire suppressed world does not, any longer, revolve around bolt action rifles, as nice as they are. So every handgun on my list of "possibles" will undergo some form of tune-up, break-in, and lighten-up regime. The first will be the Ruger 22/45, which has a bunch of exotic, and pricey, parts on the way. Ruger may consider putting a threaded barrel on the pistol all that is needed to make it "suppressor ready", but I'm betting an added 75% of the cost of another Ruger that I need a lot more effort, and money, to do the job to my satisfaction.

And for the icing on the cake this week, while I was waiting for a spot on the range, I looked down in the case, and saw the new Ruger SR22b, announced last week, just sitting there. I had read a couple of positive reviews, so I asked to look at it.

I was weighing in my mind whether to buy one some day when I remember that I had a $406 Beretta barrel in my shooting case, and it cost more than the entire new Ruger. So I told myself I wasn't kidding anybody, and laid out my freshly-recharged plastic right on the spot. Here it is, starting out its career with subsonic ammo, which is all I had on me.

The first results aren't pretty, but they are informative. The RWS ammo had 50% failure-to-feed, while the Remington was 100% reliable. More confirmation that the Remington just has more energy to work with.

The SR22b feels good, and shoots well (at least once I get better with it), but it doesn't have that "old school" charm and craftsmanship that Walther, Beretta, and some of the others had, both in "plinker" and "serious" pistol categories. Still, there are new benefits, like customizable gripping surfaces to fit it better to a particular hand.

Now all I have to do is wait for the Ruger store to start offering the threaded barrel mentioned in the manual, and I'll have a fourth candidate for my "suppressor basic training" camp. Plenty of little details to chase down, along with ammo qualification, to keep me busy this winter. If and when I actually get that suppressor, all I'll have to do is screw it on, and enjoy myself. All of the piddly detail work (although I don't consider reliability to be "piddly") will have already been done.

When all of that seems to be getting old, I'll either start out researching a can for my .45 handguns, or have my head examined, which ever is cheaper. :)

3,707 posted on 01/15/2012 1:10:38 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag
I remember you once spoke of that angled grip under the front handguards. Now, many moons later, can you definitely see a benefit to it?

I have no experience with anything other than a parallel-to-the-ground front end on any rifle, tactical or otherwise, and (campaign medals notwithstanding) none at all in a kinetic situation, and frankly, that thing looks weird.

3,708 posted on 01/15/2012 6:15:20 AM PST by ExGeeEye (It will take a revolution to reinstate the constitution. #HT FtP#)
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To: 300winmag

Will read more later but am asking if your aware of limited revocable trusts for nfa items.

http://www.texasguntrustlawyer.com/nfa_trusts.html

Something to consider......


3,709 posted on 01/15/2012 7:04:13 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: 300winmag

Afternoon Win Mag - glad to see you’re doing a serious comparison of .22 LR target ammo. My go to ammo is Federal bulk pack since it’s about 16-18 bucks a box. Plenty good for my uses. Actually, my rugers aren’t picky I have shot most everything in them. When I want to get the best (for me) it’s CCI standard velocity. It’s 1070 MV which is what the green box CCI is published to be. Always hard to find around here. Straight std vel CCI is pretty darn good.

Oh cool, you got a SR-22. That’s got the fellas buzzing on rimfirecentral. According to their posts, the customer service at Ruger isn’t sure if the threaded barrel will be available as a stand alone item or in a ‘conversion kit’ what that may be. Also no idea on the when.


3,710 posted on 01/15/2012 11:13:46 AM PST by osagebowman
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To: ExGeeEye
I remember you once spoke of that angled grip under the front handguards. Now, many moons later, can you definitely see a benefit to it?

I can see definite benefits for myself, but not on every single weapon I own. With my carpal tunnel syndrome, it positions my left hand into a more comfortable position. It also lets me curl my hand onto different angles so as to provide some relief from having my hand forced into a certain position for an extended period of time. I tried vertical handgrips, which provided some relief, for a while, but these angled ones work better for me.

Oddly enough, the Magpul handguard with its odd curved/triangular shape, seems to work well just as-is. If I find problems later on, I'll probably go with an angled grip again.

3,711 posted on 01/15/2012 2:20:19 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: osagebowman
Oh cool, you got a SR-22. That’s got the fellas buzzing on rimfirecentral. According to their posts, the customer service at Ruger isn’t sure if the threaded barrel will be available as a stand alone item or in a ‘conversion kit’ what that may be. Also no idea on the when.

The barrel is fairly easy to remove, once you ignore the typo in the manual, and use a 9/64 allen wrench instead of the 3/32 listed in the manual.

I hope they start carrying that threaded barrel soon. My guess is a "kit" would include the cap screw, lock washer, and allen wrench, along with the barrel itself. A corrected set of instructions would be nice, although I wasn't slowed too much by the bad info.

3,712 posted on 01/15/2012 11:47:17 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

Great report, Mister Mag. I’m particularly curious to see what you do to that Ruger 22/45. I’ve got some of that CCI subsonic ammo, and I did run a couple of magazines through the pistol. I had the same feed troubles. Just not enough pop to properly work the action. I did notice that they are quieter, but like everybody else I just gave up and used ordinary 22LR.

I have a curious new observation that I didn’t expect: So far I’d only fired the supressor indoors. Last week I fired a couple of magazines outdoors. Surpisingly... it was ~louder~ than it seemed indoors. Instead of a softish “Phap” it was a sharper “PAPP!”, and about as loud as an earnest handclap. I can only surmise that inside the range the use of sound-deadening materials definitely creates a more anechoic effect, and outdoors there is more sound reflection from surroundings. Didn’t expect that.

Another update: I got the threaded barrel for my full size Kimber 45 on Friday afternoon. Woohoo! Took it immediately to the range and ran a box of shells through it. It worked flawlessly. This one was ordered directly from Kimber, and came with a stainless thread protector and a replacement stainless muzzle bushing. Adds a nice bit of stainless flash on the otherwise all matte-black finish.

The .45 suppressor is of course nowhere near as quiet as the .22, but it is still a significant reduction. I had no problem shooting in the indoor range without hearing protection. No ringy-ears. But it does make a loud dull “whump”. It does lose some of it’s “gunshot” sound, for sure, as it loses the sharp crack. Instead of hitting an emptel barrel with a 2x4, it’s like hitting a barrel half full of water with a 2x4 wrapped in carpet.

So there’s that...


3,713 posted on 01/16/2012 3:41:54 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Squantos
Will read more later but am asking if your aware of limited revocable trusts for nfa items.

http://www.texasguntrustlawyer.com/nfa_trusts.html

Something to consider......

Interesting that you mention that. That's the way that my local gun shop handles almost all of their NFA apps for suppressors. Mine included. I was a little dazzled by all the legalese (having filled out several forms already by then...) but they talked me into it (like, dude... everybody's doing it, man... you really want to do it this way, man...). So I did. They had all the documents all ready to go with just a few fill-in spaces and that was it. I have been wondering if others have had the same experience.

3,714 posted on 01/16/2012 3:49:01 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I'd give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

Yep....it’s especially neat if ya have a A-Hole Chief LEO with an anti-gun agenda in your way from legally buying such.

Tis the way to go.......:o)

Stay safe !!


3,715 posted on 01/16/2012 4:03:05 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: ExGeeEye
I left home for Christmas this year, too, and left my family behind. ;o) My 40th High School reunion was two days after Christmas, and SirKit didn't want to go, so I went by myself. We had Christmas Eve dinner and gift giving with our #1 son and his wife and HER family, then went to Midnight Mass. I'd arranged for a noon flight, so I told the kids bye before they went to bed, and we even got to sleep a little late before heading out on Christmas Day.

I had a great time, because I hadn't been 'home' for Christmas for over 35 years. It was fun seeing my sisters, and SirKit's brother, over Christmas, and the reunion was great fun! We ended up having our family Christmas on New Year's Eve with take-out Thai food!

3,716 posted on 01/16/2012 8:46:20 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ExGeeEye
"no more beach vacations in winter"

Hey we had a great time on our winter beach vacation for our LOTR gathering in Melbourne Beach!

3,717 posted on 01/16/2012 8:49:22 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: Squantos
Tis the way to go.......:o)

I'll see what my buddy has to say after he gets back from the SHOT show. He's in the same position I'm in.

Listening to all the flap about the Newster saying kids should get jobs, even if it's as a janitor. My first paying job was in the summer before I started college. I sold guns in the firearms department of a major department store. Every big store, and gas station, had at a least a few guns for sale, along with fishing and camping gear, etc.

On the first day, the manager took me through the camera department, where he discovered that I could read manuals, and figure out how the stuff worked. Then he tried to school me in the gun department. I visibly flinched when he swept me with the muzzle of a .22, and politely pointed out customers would appreciate more courtesy when showing them merchandise. And that if he discounted the guns that had been gathering dust for ten years, he'd have room for the newer stuff that was coming out, and draw more traffic.

We wound up with an unwritten rule that I would not stray from the gun department unless I was the only one on the floor, and the other guys, who probably all had families (or drinking habits) to feed would stay off my turf, or risk making fools of themselves with their own BS. BS may sell TVs and washing machines, but I felt it had no place in selling firearms. My BS detector still goes off far too often in too many of the few remaining gun stores.

Still, I had a great "how I spent my summer vacation" story for my freshman English teacher, Joyce Carole Oates. However, she objected to the subject matter, so I had to write fiction, instead. I think I said I worked on the serving line of a soup kitchen. :)

3,718 posted on 01/17/2012 1:12:27 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

Morning Win-mag : First non-grass cutting job was stringing tennis rackets at a little sporting goods store, sorta migrated to the gun rack and actually did reloading and minor gunsmithing. That was a good job in that I could take some of my pittance in .22 ammo at cost; Winchester .22 std velocity Super X. Still have one box of it.

Shot Show postings on GunBlast and the various gun forums are pretty cool again.


3,719 posted on 01/18/2012 6:52:29 AM PST by osagebowman
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To: Ramius

Two thumbs up for your range report on the silencers. Way cool on the Kimber. We gotta have another shoot-moot.


3,720 posted on 01/18/2012 6:54:43 AM PST by osagebowman
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To: 300winmag

so... how about a .45 that is the size of your PPS?

I soooo need one of these.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/general-sa-xd-xd-m-talk/192493-real-thread-about-xds-slim-pictures-video-added-2.html


3,721 posted on 01/18/2012 12:02:51 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ExGeeEye; ...
After a long delay, due to prolonged gunsmithing and product evaluation, I bring tonight's edition of Saturday Night Gun Pron. Basically, it's a status report of all the work that I have done, and redone, on the Ruger 22/45 while waiting to make my move on the FFL trust.

When we last left the near-stock Ruger, this was the best I could do after installing a quick(er) takedown feature, and relieving it of a hazardous safety feature called a "magazine safety", effectively making it a Mark II internally.

The left target shows improved reliability of RWS subsonic, if not accuracy, with only 50% failure-to-feed. The right-hand target is 50 rounds of Remington subsonic, with one failure, because things were pretty filthy by then.

I rebuilt almost the entire inner mechanism of the gun with Volquartsen aftermarket parts. I realized I had to eliminate any bit of internal friction I could to have enough energy left over to reliably work the mechanism with less-than-zippy subsonic ammo.

Internally, there's now a lightened hammer, titanium trigger bar, adjustable trigger, precision EDM-machined sear, extractor, and other parts, and modified spring rates. Before assembly, I worked-in any two parts that touched each other by using Nanolube as a diamond hone. After assembly, another Nanolube work-in, followed by another complete teardown, scrubbing, and reassembly with lube for regular shooting purposes.

It still looks the same, but works a lot better, with 100% reliability with even the creampuff subsonic rounds, and accuracy that probably greatly exceeds my abilities.

The Remington rounds are are the left, and RWS on the right. I've come to the conclusion that there is something slightly funky about the RWS bullet shape, because the target shows a number of them tumbling, perhaps due to the longer bearing surface. Maybe the ammo is intended for a bolt action rifle. It seems ammo makers just mark the stuff "subsonic", without realizing that suppressed pistols are probably the most finicky feeders out there. Still, this is a new piece of data for me, and one of the reasons I've busted my ass on this Ruger.

And the weapon was already filthy after firing 200 rounds of some of the most mis-matched .22 ammo I could find just to further challenge reliability. 300 rounds without a hitch, and the trigger pull remains a safe two pounds, +/- one ounce. It took me several hours to adjust the trigger, and keep it safe from idiotic mishandling, like letting the bolt slam forward while my finger was already pulling the trigger. I found, and fixed, some vey interesting failure modes. When it comes to trigger work, I don't even trust myself.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the investment in money and effort, so far. I now have what seems to be a very reliable, accurate target pistol that I can now use to compare the various brands of subsonic ammo I've accumulated. They may not all perform as well, and some might work better in other weapons than the Ruger. But I have eliminated a lot of variables by using the Ruger as the test weapon. And it's getting be a lot of fun to shoot, even though I still don't have a real can for it.

One of the biggest additions to the fun, after doing all the debugging, was finding this gadget, the McFadden Machine "Ultimate Cliploader", made just for loading Ruger Mark II and Mark III magazines.

It makes loading the usual PITA Ruger magazine so much fun, I bought a fifth magazine just so I could load up a whole box of .22s in just a couple of minutes. I've never seen anything else load .22s this fast. Start by sliding open the top cover, and dumping all 50 rounds into the hopper.

Then, close the lid, and shake gently until a bunch of them have slid down the sloping sides of the hopper, and fall, nose-first, into the "gutter".

Next, you would hold the loader almost vertically, insert the empty magazine, and watch all the ingenuity go to work. Here's the final result, but shown on the floor so you can get a good look at the final results.

Inserting the magazine causes the follower to be held at the bottom, while the lip of the mag depresses a ball bearing that lets ten rounds fall into place. Remove the magazine, and everything is ready for some more rounds to be shaken into the feed trough, and another empty magazine. After loading 300 rounds, there was a noticeable amount of "dry" lubricant smeared all over the inside of the loader, but it cleaned up instantly with a little rubbing alcchol.

A gadget this simple and effective always brings a grin to my face. If you own a Ruger MK II or MK III, you owe it to yourself to buy one of these things, and enough extra mags that you don't have to interrupt your fun by shooting them off before reloading some more. If you don't own a Ruger, buy one, just to justify buying the reloader.

Just don't expect "target" accuracy and reliability with a box-stock Ruger. Plan on an extended come-to-Jesus session with it, like I did. The results are benefits in several areas, including having an accurate, reliable testbed for evaluating different brands of ammunition.

3,722 posted on 02/26/2012 12:09:17 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag
Again another informative and interesting post.

I've come to the conclusion that there is something slightly funky about the RWS bullet shape, because the target shows a number of them tumbling, perhaps due to the longer bearing surface.

IIRC when the Aquila sub-sonic rds were marketed they also showed a lot of key-holing with the Ruger 10/22. It was the twist rate that caused the instability of the longer/heavier bullet. Clark or Volquartsen came out with after market barrels designed specifically for the sub-sonic rounds. All of my gun mags are packed up but I'm sure that the info is somewhere on the web.

I was intrigued by the Aquila sub-sonic and had planned to make a take-down 10/22 for my bug-out kit but life intervened. Somewhere in my sketch books I have drawings of a skeletonized alum plate stock that in take down mode would fit in a light weight day pack.

3,723 posted on 02/26/2012 5:19:39 AM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: 300winmag
Very informative. Thank you.

I've been down with a bug since Thursday-- just about over it, and will probably go to work tomorrow-- and so missed out on the local gun shows yesterday.

Yes, gun shows.

For 20+ years there has been a just-about-bi-monthly gun show at a venue north of town. At the last one I attended, I was handed a card by the ticket taker stating that the next and subsequent shows would be held in a former department store in a formerly popular shopping area.

In the intervening time, billboards have gone up announcing the show at the new location.

A couple of weeks ago, a fellow hoplophile suggested I check the website for the customary venue. I did so, and was surprised to see that there was going to be a show there as well; the message was "don't be fooled by imitators; we're still here."

>Recalling that I had received notification of the move from a show staff member, I formed the intention to go to both shows, and (a) determine which was "original" and which the "imitator"; (b) judge (according to my own subjective criteria) which one was "better", if there was a difference; and (c) decide which show to attend in the future, should they continue to maintain competing schedules.

This bug, however, thwarted these plans (and others; my baby cousin will go un-tickled this week).

I harbor a suspicion that there has been some kind of split. If so, I guess I'd be choosing between the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front ("Splitters!").

3,724 posted on 02/26/2012 7:53:47 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: 300winmag

Good Evening Win-Mag : We were in ‘series’ withdrawl from your ‘gun pron’ postings. As always, informative and well done. Thank you for your efforts.

That has been a quality overhall on your ruger kudos again. The subsonic functioning issues is news to me, Glad you got it ironed out.

Thanks for the report on mag filler, I always wondered if those things really worked. That mag button can do a number on your thumb. The red button depressor I got gets the job done but yours is a much better solution. One can never have too many mags.

Been doing yard work, it’s amazing weather for February, heck the whole winter has been wonderful this year.

OB


3,725 posted on 02/26/2012 4:00:26 PM PST by osagebowman
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To: ExGeeEye

We have a similar situation around here, every couple of months there is a ‘gun show’. Two promoters, usually on our side of state line but some on the other side. Admission is getting a bit too pricey for regular attendance, ten bucks. ouch.


3,726 posted on 02/26/2012 4:04:21 PM PST by osagebowman
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To: osagebowman
Still six, here.

Now, of course, until one or the other loses whatever fightin' is goin' on, that's six each.

And no, I don't mind going to both, with a lunch break between, unless one of them just sucks.

(To me, sucks would require a preponderance of knife, coin, fur, jerky, fuzzy hat, special interest group, or other not-selling-guns tables. Too many of those as it is, IMHO.)

3,727 posted on 02/26/2012 4:50:16 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: osagebowman
That has been a quality overhall on your ruger kudos again. The subsonic functioning issues is news to me, Glad you got it ironed out.

Thank you for the kind words. Toiling away in obscurity can sometimes be its own reward.

This really started when I knew I'd have a suppressor sometimes this decade, so I started research online. I'd find dozens of posts about can-owners whining about getting subsonic ammo to work, but damn little about what to do about it, except use regular ammo. I asked about subsonic ammo at my regular EBR store where I bought the Ruger, and the owner brought out Remington CB caps. Fortunately, I had a box of real Remington subsonic in my pocket to show him. I don't blame him if he doesn't stock this stuff, but this shouldn't be rocket science. Thankfully, I was able to buy eight different brands by the brick from Midway. That will last me through lots of weapon/ammo test combinations.

I hate being a pioneer (all those arrows in the back) when it seems it should be something that is common, or semi-common knowledge. I suppose this is common knowledge if you are the armorer for some SOF or spook operation. But I'm just Joe Average, and I feel I should not need a secret handshake to learn something this simple.

My first session with the Ruger told me filthy .22 ammo and low power were the root of the problem. Even when things started to slow down, the regular ammo powered on through. It just wasn't what I really looking for.

Thanks to your tip about Volquartsen, OB, that was the first place I went to look. Considering they even make their own complete Ruger clones, I think they're probably the source for what I needed.

I'm also getting a hint that the best suppressed pistols may be ones built on "old school" designs where everything is steel, or at least aluminum. The plastic frame of the Ruger 22/45 seems to have flex in areas I'd rather not see it in. It's probably 100% serviceable, but a demanding environment like this makes me feel better if the basic weapon starts out "built like a brick sh!thouse".

3,728 posted on 02/26/2012 10:50:21 PM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

Great posts... I always learn a lot. I wish I had your patience and diligence.

I really like that loader gizmo. I’ll look for that.


3,729 posted on 02/27/2012 9:12:59 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius
I really like that loader gizmo. I’ll look for that.

It's the most fun you can have for $24.

3,730 posted on 02/27/2012 11:32:22 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: All
RIP "Buck" Compton of "Easy Company" (Band of Brothers).
3,731 posted on 02/28/2012 10:47:33 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: 300winmag; 2Jedismom; Bear_in_RoseBear; Corin Stormhands; ecurbh; ExGeeEye; g'nad; HairOfTheDog; ...
#2:

RIP Davy Jones, Monkee and actor, and the reason another David Jones changed his professional name to David Bowie.

3,732 posted on 02/29/2012 11:08:59 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: ExGeeEye

...there he goes, walking down the street...


3,733 posted on 02/29/2012 3:02:53 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Never Again! Except for the next time.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Awww...man....


3,734 posted on 02/29/2012 3:12:12 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ExGeeEye

I knew who he was, and liked his music.


3,735 posted on 02/29/2012 6:05:37 PM PST by JenB
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To: 300winmag; 2Jedismom; Bear_in_RoseBear; Corin Stormhands; ecurbh; ExGeeEye; g'nad; HairOfTheDog; ...
And #3 (and kind of suspicious), Andrew Breitbart.

"We have videos, and they're going to come out. This is war." -- AB at CPAC, 2/12/12

3,736 posted on 03/01/2012 8:27:08 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: 300winmag; 2Jedismom; Bear_in_RoseBear; Corin Stormhands; ecurbh; ExGeeEye; g'nad; HairOfTheDog; ...

New PJ Hobbit video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjYn845i08A&feature=player_embedded

Includes barrel-riding :)


3,737 posted on 03/03/2012 11:33:21 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Kewl! But I thought that the dwarves were supposed to be sealed up inside those barrels.


3,738 posted on 03/03/2012 12:17:26 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: ExGeeEye

God Bless all those guys! I enjoyed Neil McDonough’s portrayal of Buck Compton in the miniseries.


3,739 posted on 03/03/2012 2:11:57 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ExGeeEye

Davy was too young to go! My younger sister, and our girl cousins saw The Monkees in concert, in Mobile, AL, in the summer of 1967. I still have the concert book! Such fun. Peter was my favorite!


3,740 posted on 03/03/2012 2:14:06 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ExGeeEye
Breitbart was TRULY too young!! It seems he had some sort of heart condition, which he had mentioned at one point in time, and that his father-in-law mentioned after Andrew's death. He will surely be missed, because as Charles Krauthammer described him, he was just fearless!

Coincidentally, Andrew's f-i-l is Orson Bean, who voiced Bilbo Baggins in that delightful animated version of "The Hobbit", that we all love so well! ;o)

3,741 posted on 03/03/2012 2:17:56 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: ExGeeEye
Kewl!! I didn't realize that Andy Serkis was the 2nd Unit Director for the movies! That's terrific!

Loved the dwarf sitting on the mountain saying "There's a helicopter back there, in'it", then his hair getting blown back as it passes him. LOL!

3,742 posted on 03/03/2012 2:30:03 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

No funkle for you.


3,743 posted on 03/03/2012 2:47:45 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Never Again! Except for the next time.)
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To: Overtaxed

You’re right, of course. In the book, Bilbo closed the barrels so the wood-elves would throw them into the river.

Oh well.


3,744 posted on 03/03/2012 6:00:47 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: ExGeeEye
Friggin' wood elves.
3,745 posted on 03/03/2012 6:11:07 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Overtaxed

I want to know who’s playing Thranduil (Legolas’ dad), and whether he’ll sound at all like Otto Preminger.


3,746 posted on 03/03/2012 6:29:53 PM PST by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: ExGeeEye

According to TheOneRing.net it’s Lee Pace.

http://www.theonering.net/torwp/the-hobbit/cast/lee-pace


3,747 posted on 03/03/2012 6:42:26 PM PST by Overtaxed
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To: Ramius; g'nad; osagebowman; Lost Dutchman; Squantos; Corin Stormhands; JenB; TalonDJ; ExGeeEye; ...
Getting back to a more regular (I hope) writing schedule, this week's Saturday Night Gun Pron continues with the incremental progress I'm making with the Ruger 22/45. I have enough confidence in the reliability and consistency of the handgun that I'm now using it for initial testing of all my remaining brands of subsonic ammo.

This week, i fired 25 rounds each of Remington, Winchester, and CCI subsonic ammo. Here are the results, with the Winchester and CCI being fired for the first time.

From left to right, Remington, Winchester, and CCI. I apologize for the sloppy shooting, but I had taken off the Docter sight, and did not reinstall it carefully enough. That has been rectified.

The Remington again functioned perfectly, as did the CCI. The Winchester appears to have a problem with bullet shape that produces a lot of failure-to-feed in this Ruger. Afterwards (of course) I read the box, and the Winchester ammo is listed as "truncated cone", which is also why it wouldn't work properly in the McFadden mag loader. Accuracy is good, but I had to manually feed every round.

I'm having a hard time deciding which shoots better, the Remington or the CCI, so far. Of course, it is likely both brands are already exceeding my modest ability. Meanwhile, the Winchester seems to be too pooped to pop, but I said that about other brands that now run themselves through the weapon without a hitch.

This week, I'll be trying Fiocchi, RWS (again), Aquila, and more Remington, as a control. Also, while this CCI subsonic was a bit of a problem in the loader (I tweaked the adjustments, the loader is also sensitive to bullet shape), I also have a brick of "CCI subsonic hunting" ammo that has a more normal bullet shape, and is copper plated rather than lubed. I expect no problems with it.

And, more boxes of generic .22s for the Ruger SR22 to continue working it in. And I must confess that I'm starting to think of some version of the myriad Ruger 10/22s out that that can provide a good base for later suppression, with a barrel that's already threaded. I just couldn't bring myself to have the barrel on my CZ453 threaded, despite it's exquisite accuracy. Not when so many pros and citizens make the 10/22 the start for suppressed .22 rifles.

3,748 posted on 03/04/2012 2:25:16 AM PST by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: 300winmag

I have turned crap cheap .22 plinking ammo into very reliable fodder using a paco kelly set of tools. A must have. You would benefit by having such in your toolbox buddy....

http://www.gunblast.com/Paco2.htm

I think brownells an midway carry these....

Good work. I have a old mk one ruger that was finicky about ammo an cured it without expensive ely or such for popping pot meat an paper. Paco Kelly is a smart sort an his product reflects such.

Well made an simple.

Stay Safe !


3,749 posted on 03/04/2012 4:07:52 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: ExGeeEye

Thank you very much for the heads up and the link.


3,750 posted on 03/04/2012 4:01:24 PM PST by osagebowman
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