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The most pretentious science fiction - fantasy TV shows
November 2, 2009

Posted on 11/02/2009 3:09:41 PM PST by EveningStar

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To: longtermmemmory
"I hope and pray the movie version keeps the special effects and goes to the 1970s cold war script with the politician who sells out the nation."

So you are talking a Historical/Bio pic then? ;-)
201 posted on 11/03/2009 8:27:22 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Syntyr

I’m watching SGU. A bit downbeat and seems to be still looking for its premise, but the cast is pretty good and the FX are better than one would expect from SyFy. Think I’ll stick with it a while. Nice switch from ‘Bones’ and ‘Legend of the Seeker’.

For my own pretentious list, gotta put ‘Eureka’ on there.


202 posted on 11/03/2009 8:29:45 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (I'm still waiting for Dear Leader to say something that isn't a lie)
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To: Kartographer

LOL!

future history repeats the past.


203 posted on 11/03/2009 8:29:48 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Viking2002

Ever heard the story about Harlan getting fired from Disney?


204 posted on 11/03/2009 8:37:55 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Richard Kimball

Frakes turns out to be a pretty good director, though. Try to catch the ‘Leverage’ episodes he’s directed.


205 posted on 11/03/2009 8:38:10 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (I'm still waiting for Dear Leader to say something that isn't a lie)
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To: KarlInOhio

I never saw that, but at about that time there were lots of heavy handed short stories in the kids magazines. I remember one in particular where kids had to wear gas masks on the school playground because of air pollution.


206 posted on 11/03/2009 8:41:28 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Richard Kimball
Jonathan Frakes is the worst actor in the history of the world. He couldn't act dead if you shot him. I think part of my problem with the show was that Frakes was supposed to be a "leader-commander" but came across as an out of his depth jerk who couldn't make a decision and used his authority to push people around.

With you there. For all those years the series ran, I couldn't see him as anything but the shallow, conceited, ambitious little weakingling hiding behind his wife's skirts that he played in North and South.

207 posted on 11/03/2009 8:46:20 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: KarlInOhio
His daughter said "Didn't you wear that five years ago? Don't you think you should move on?"

I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.

...sigh...Such a missed opportunity...now, if Nathan could get a sidekick worth watching for more than five minutes...I could get into Castle. Doesn't look like that's in the cards. Glad it's going two seasons at least, though.

208 posted on 11/03/2009 8:46:52 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (I'm still waiting for Dear Leader to say something that isn't a lie)
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To: buccaneer81

Oh yeah, SeaQuest. It was so bad that when it got out that Scheider had called it “Underwater Star Dreck” I was expecting everyone associted with Trek to go to his house and kick his butt. “Spock’s Brain” is a masterpiece compared to ANY show with a talking dolphin and some prettyboy tween on the command crew.


209 posted on 11/03/2009 8:52:30 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Kartographer
I'm with you on all of it. Bladerunner has never been equaled as a sci-fi cult hit and is an example of Hollywood's unheralded ability to see a notoriously troubled production through to a worthy completion.

The script for Bladerunner went through extensive rewrites. The set designers were paid to work through an actors' strike, with the result that these little known craftsman were given the time to create a deep and complex look for the film that contributed greatly to its appeal. Ridley Scott's perfectionism made him hated on the set. Rutger Hauer's final lines were of his devise, which Scott, almost out of set time, had the good sense to adopt. And after principal filming was completed, Scott was formally fired as director due to offenses against the budget and time schedule -- but, in the way of Hollywood, Scott was paid to keep working and produce a final edit -- which was later revised by studio execs who had little confidence in the film.

Outland was good although surely not up to Bladerunner standards. Might it have benefited from Bladerunner-type fruitful turmoil?

Burn Notice is a lot of fun and more accurate than most realize. During the Cold War, a good friend of mine, now deceased, was an agent for US Army intelligence in deep cover as a businessman. Like Michael Weston, my friend had a knack for accents and role-playing, for improvising and adapting plans on the fly, and often worked with or conned criminals and shady businessmen and foreign officials. In my friend's retelling at least, there were also a lot of absurd, chaotic moments touched with unintended comedy.

210 posted on 11/03/2009 8:52:52 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: null and void
Red Dwarf? Pretentious???

Only a complete and utter smeghead would even imply such a thing. ;)

211 posted on 11/03/2009 8:56:59 AM PST by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (http://www.conservatives4palin.com/)
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To: buccaneer81

I liked the Dixon Hill bit...and it sure did produce some fun in the movie “First Contact.”


212 posted on 11/03/2009 9:05:17 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Mr. Silverback
..and it sure did produce some fun in the movie “First Contact.”

I'll admit, it did work there.

213 posted on 11/03/2009 9:07:20 AM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: KevinDavis

Ping me!


214 posted on 11/03/2009 9:13:02 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Tanniker Smith

I loved it when DS9 started doing the overarching WWII in space storylines in imitation of Babylon 5...and instead of being a pale imitation it rocked.


215 posted on 11/03/2009 9:28:40 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Polynikes

There were bathrooms in everyone’s quarters, they just never showed them.

Really, how often do you see someone on a non-SF series visiting the john?


216 posted on 11/03/2009 9:29:56 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Kartographer

I really like Outland. Although I have to note that the guy blowing up in vacuum (in the elevator/air lock) was scientifically unrealistic, the movie as a whole felt very real. The corruption, drug abuse, hookers, politics, etc. showed real flawed people in a sci-fi setting, instead of squeaky clean do-gooders of the ST:TNG variety. It was kind of a ‘Walking Tall’ set in space. It was also refreshing to have the lead female character in the movie be an older, rather plain-looking lady (Frances Sternhagen)... if that movie were remade today, 99% of Hollywood would cast, say, Denise Richards and have her become the police marshal’s love interest.


217 posted on 11/03/2009 9:37:58 AM PST by Sloth (For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of the International Olympic Committee.)
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To: Polynikes

There were bathrooms in everyone’s quarters, they just never showed them. They don’t show them in any of the six Star Wars movies, either...or in the Alien films...you get the idea. BTW, there was a great book that came out during the late Eighties (about the time of Star Trek IV) called “Mr. Scott’s Guide to the Enterprise” that I still have, with enough info about the refit Enterprise to send any nerd to geek Nirvana. It even had floor plans for crew quarters, and there was a “refresher” in each one. Even some of the department maps (like recreation, IIRC) had refreshers on them.

And anyway, how often do you see someone on a non-SF series visiting the john? Other than Al Bundy, it’s not an issue. I’ve never seen Michael Weston’s bathroom, for example, or his Mom’s.

One thing that was funny was that when a role playing game company (I think it was West End Games) published a map of the interior of the Millenium Falcon, there wasn’t a bathroom anywhere on the ship. Since your average hyperspace trip takes a few days (and in the WEG rules any trip took at least 24 hours) it appears Han and Chewie were carrying a large chamber pot around...or maybe there was a portajohn in the cargo hold.


218 posted on 11/03/2009 9:38:23 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Grizzled Bear; oldleft

Dang straight! Least pretentious show in this thread!


219 posted on 11/03/2009 9:41:55 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (We're right! We're free! And we'll fight! And you'll seeeeeeee!)
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To: Seruzawa
The most pretentious SF show of all time was ST:TNG. Never was there a more snobby load of arrogant touchy-feelie new age twaddle than came out of the mouths of Jean-Luc Picard and Deanna Troy. The only redeeming quality to the series was Ryker who had the b@lls to say “Fire” on occasion.

LOL... I'm reminded of the 1st-season episode where Weasel-boy Crusher falls and breaks a flower pot on some orgy planet and gets sentenced to death for it. Picard spends the episode wringing his hands over the moral implications of intervening to save Wesley, thereby undermining the planet's system of justice. If aliens had ever threatened to kill one of Kirk's crew for tripping over a planter, he would have simply beamed the person up and then bombarded the city into radioactive glass.

220 posted on 11/03/2009 9:44:37 AM PST by Sloth (For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of the International Olympic Committee.)
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