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Microsoft manager admits to copying 'Mac look and feel'
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Posted on 11/11/2009 9:13:06 PM PST by Gomez

We've been saying it for years, but everyone thought that we Mac-heads had a chip on our shoulder from the once-sour relationship with Microsoft. Finally, however, the truth has come to light; a group manager from Microsoft has gone on record and admitted the source of some of Windows 7's prettier bits and pieces.

Simon Aldous sat down with PCR for an interview and when he was asked to comment on the agility of Redmond's latest operating system, he had this to say:

"What we've tried to do with Windows 7 – whether it's traditional format or in a touch format – is create a Mac look and feel."
While I am glad that people at Microsoft are finally accepting the superiority of OS X, it still stung a little when Simon started to backtrack saying that Vista was more stable than OS X.

Update: It looks like the Windows team had a few things to say about Simon's earlier remarks noting that "his comments were inaccurate and uninformed." It is, in my opinion, difficult to deny that the OS X dock has had a positive impact on how people use their computers whether they be PCs or Macs. That being said, I'm glad Microsoft didn't take this one lying down.


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This guy must be the Joe Biden of Microsoft.
1 posted on 11/11/2009 9:13:07 PM PST by Gomez
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To: Swordmaker

ping


2 posted on 11/11/2009 9:13:49 PM PST by Gomez (killer of threads)
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To: Gomez

He was also heard to say that the Zune “couldn’t hold a candle” to the iPod.


3 posted on 11/11/2009 9:14:30 PM PST by SamAdams76 (I am 45 days away from outliving Lefty Frizzell)
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To: Gomez
...when Simon started to backtrack saying that Vista was more stable than OS X.

C'mon, even you can't say that with a straight face.
4 posted on 11/11/2009 9:16:17 PM PST by benjibrowder (For Neda. May God bless those fighting for freedom.)
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To: Gomez

and Apple took the Mac idea from Xerox. Zzzz.


5 posted on 11/11/2009 9:17:25 PM PST by Chet 99
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; 50mm; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; Airwinger; Aliska; altair; ...
Does the ursine creature defecate in the sylvan environment? Yep... PING!


Did Microsoft7 copy OS X Mac? Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

6 posted on 11/11/2009 9:19:25 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Chet 99
and Apple took the Mac idea from Xerox. Zzzz.

Nope... Apple was already working on a GUI before visiting PARC. And Apple BOUGHT the rights to use what they learned while at PARC.

7 posted on 11/11/2009 9:22:24 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker; Chet 99
>> Apple took the Mac idea from Xerox

> Apple BOUGHT the rights to use what they learned while at PARC

Long after the Sun has gone supernova and Earth is crisp and computers are gone and humankind is but a memory, there will be some malcontent Windows fanboy on an outer planet, picking his toes and muttering, "Yeah, well Apple stole the GUI from Xerox...".

It's the most tenacious false meme in the universe, I swear... ;-)

8 posted on 11/11/2009 9:31:14 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Chet 99; Swordmaker
This is Apple's standard claim, and like most of the things claimed by Apple supporters, it's nonsense.

Apple gave Xerox an equity stake in the company in exchange for some -- but not all -- of the GUI interface they stole. They most certainly would not have made such an offer to Xerox if they already had any defensible prior art on the drawing board. Even the libtard weenies at Apple aren't stoopid enough to offer to pay money for an idea they already have.

Duh.

But of course, the brain-dead folks who support Apple lap-up their party line. By the way, the company is hugely damaging to conservative causes.

Apple is theft central. The GUI is Xerox's. What is OS X? BSD. What is the iPod Touch/iPhone interface they've (erroneously) been awarded a patent for? Stuff stolen from Palm OS.

Liberate yourself. Don't use or develop software for Commie outfits like Apple. And jailbreak your iPhone, just to annoy the little fascists.

9 posted on 11/11/2009 9:34:17 PM PST by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: June K.
~~~ Mac vs PC PING ~~~

Very interested in this new Windows 7 system, from the reviews it seems that 7 is the logical heir to Windows XP, with that dreaded Vista coming in as the middle abyss to avoid at all costs

10 posted on 11/11/2009 9:37:29 PM PST by Mr_Moonlight
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To: dayglored
And there will be some pretentious Apple fanboy -- using the idiotic word "meme" as if it actually meant something -- believing that Apple has ever actually come up with an original idea of its own.

Oh wait. They did.

Once.

It's called Objective-C.


11 posted on 11/11/2009 9:39:03 PM PST by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: FredZarguna
By the way, the company is hugely damaging to conservative causes.

Microsoft is the same way. BSD is open source, and similar interface means nothing, considering the iPhone and iTouch run a skimmed down version of Mac OS X.
12 posted on 11/11/2009 9:40:25 PM PST by benjibrowder (For Neda. May God bless those fighting for freedom.)
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To: Gomez

I have a relative who just bought a Samsung netbook w Windows 7 on it and she is very happy. Over the phone I got her connected to the wireless router in her house with Windows 7 getting the credit for making this so easy.

Main purpose of netbook is when on vacation to keep in touch


13 posted on 11/11/2009 9:40:45 PM PST by dennisw (Obama -- our very own loopy, leftist god-thing.)
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To: benjibrowder
C'mon, even you can't say that with a straight face.

What I couldn't believe was that on the MS blog they were trying to say with a straight face that they HADN'T been copying Apple. The real knee slapper was that they link to a NY Times article that says Office 2007 is popular. My campus was forced to Office 2007 by our IT department and I haven't talked to anyone that likes it.

14 posted on 11/11/2009 9:44:27 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: benjibrowder
Oh, similar interface means nothing. OK. Then Microsoft hasn't stolen anything, considering that Windows internals have no similarities to OS X.

Microsoft is nowhere near as left-wing a company as Apple.

My original point: that Apple has never really come up with an original idea of its own -- its nonsensical claims to the contrary notwithstanding -- remains unchallenged in your post; in fact, you acknowledge it.

15 posted on 11/11/2009 9:48:14 PM PST by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Interface is far too cluttered, and is WAY too high on the eye candy.


16 posted on 11/11/2009 9:51:47 PM PST by benjibrowder (For Neda. May God bless those fighting for freedom.)
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To: FredZarguna
> And there will be some pretentious Apple fanboy -- using the idiotic word "meme" as if it actually meant something -- believing that Apple has ever actually come up with an original idea of its own.

Not an Apple fanboy. Read here if you're interested.

meme /mim/

–noun
a cultural item that is transmitted by repetition in a manner analogous to the biological transmission of genes.
Origin: 1976; < Gk mīmeîsthai to imitate, copy; coined by R. Dawkins, Brit. biologist
Please try not to be intentionally ignorant, it's unbecoming.

BTW, I -do- heartily agree with you about Objective-C being pretty damn stupid.

17 posted on 11/11/2009 9:53:29 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Gomez

Microsoft is pathetic. They haven’t had an innovative idea in years. I feel embarrassed for them.


18 posted on 11/11/2009 10:25:34 PM PST by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents, dead people, dogs, felons)
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To: FredZarguna
Apple gave Xerox an equity stake in the company in exchange for some -- but not all -- of the GUI interface they stole.

Apple paid for the trip and the right to use the knowledge gained. Then Apple heavily improved on the basic PARC GUI, making it much less hardware-hungry and more usable.

BSD, stolen? How can you steal it when the license allows exactly what Apple did?

Palm? Give me a break. I've used several Palms since the Pilot, and they weren't close to what the Touch/iPhone can do. Besides, the Newton predates the Palm if you want to talk about copying.

19 posted on 11/11/2009 10:27:02 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: FredZarguna
Then Microsoft hasn't stolen anything, considering that Windows internals have no similarities to OS X.

There are some similarities. Several of the command-line utilities are BSD. Of course, as with Apple, it is perfectly legal for Microsoft to do that.

As for look and feel and features, Microsoft is always aiming for the previous version of OS X.

20 posted on 11/11/2009 10:30:36 PM PST by antiRepublicrat
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