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Microsoft manager admits to copying 'Mac look and feel'
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Posted on 11/11/2009 9:13:06 PM PST by Gomez

We've been saying it for years, but everyone thought that we Mac-heads had a chip on our shoulder from the once-sour relationship with Microsoft. Finally, however, the truth has come to light; a group manager from Microsoft has gone on record and admitted the source of some of Windows 7's prettier bits and pieces.

Simon Aldous sat down with PCR for an interview and when he was asked to comment on the agility of Redmond's latest operating system, he had this to say:

"What we've tried to do with Windows 7 – whether it's traditional format or in a touch format – is create a Mac look and feel."
While I am glad that people at Microsoft are finally accepting the superiority of OS X, it still stung a little when Simon started to backtrack saying that Vista was more stable than OS X.

Update: It looks like the Windows team had a few things to say about Simon's earlier remarks noting that "his comments were inaccurate and uninformed." It is, in my opinion, difficult to deny that the OS X dock has had a positive impact on how people use their computers whether they be PCs or Macs. That being said, I'm glad Microsoft didn't take this one lying down.


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To: 6SJ7
Care to provide an example where MS less left-wing than Apple or Apple is more left-wing than MS?

Here is a list of Job's campaign contributions All very left including Rahm Emanuel. OTOH, he hasn't written a check since 2004.

And here is a list of Bill Gate's contributions Some Pubs but the vast majority for Dems including Nancy Pelosi in 2008, and he's still writing checks.

And Jobs has had the guts to take on that lib scared cow the teachers union and to not let himself be greenmailed by the enviro-whackos.

All in all, I say that in 2009 Jobs is the one doing our side the most good.

And that's not even taking into account Gates' fanaticism for abortion.

61 posted on 11/12/2009 8:18:06 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: Tribune7

Not to mention Apple doing the conservative thing when it comes to pollution. Greenpeace is mad at them for not promising to do things like other computer makers have. Instead they went out and actually did things to make their computers more environmentally friendly.


62 posted on 11/12/2009 8:22:47 AM PST by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: Mr. Blonde
Not to mention Apple doing the conservative thing when it comes to pollution. Greenpeace is mad at them for not promising to do things like other computer makers have. Instead they went out and actually did things to make their computers more environmentally friendly.

Very true!

63 posted on 11/12/2009 10:00:19 AM PST by Tribune7 (I am Joe Wilson!)
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To: dayglored
Meme, as a concept with any scientific validity, is roughly as idiotic as the phlogisten theory of combustion. Except it doesn't even have the excuse that it was theorized in the 17th century. There are actual words you should consider that convey actually valid concepts: cliche and nostrum for example. Nothing personal, but anyone using the word "meme" is stamping himself as an intellectual lightweight, and a poseur, plain and simple.
64 posted on 11/12/2009 10:03:49 AM PST by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Try actually reading the post I replied to. What I said was that based on the respondent's logic, Microsoft hadn't stolen anything.
65 posted on 11/12/2009 10:05:48 AM PST by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I am now literally laughing out loud.

There is NO professional software developer on earth who actually codes for money that thinks Objective-C is superior in any way, shape, manner, or form to C++.

You’re funny. You should start a blog so I can have a laugh every day.


66 posted on 11/12/2009 10:11:21 AM PST by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Gomez; a fool in paradise
"Amateurs borrow, professional steal!" -- Pablo Picasso.
67 posted on 11/12/2009 10:15:08 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: FredZarguna

“There is NO professional software developer on earth who actually codes for money that thinks Objective-C is superior in any way, shape, manner, or form to C++.”

That’s most certainly not true.

You should look into why C++ usage just keeps on dropping year after year. It’s not a good language for large-scale software development, it’s far too abstruse, and major implementations don’t conform to the standard after many years (Visual C++ in particular).


68 posted on 11/12/2009 10:24:45 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: FredZarguna

“What I said was that based on the respondent’s logic, Microsoft hadn’t stolen anything.”

And my response simply pointed out the culture of theft at Microsoft. Simple enough, eh?


69 posted on 11/12/2009 10:28:43 AM PST by PreciousLiberty
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
BTW, few ideas overall are completely original.

This is entirely my point. This is an industry of ideas, and the claim made by Applebots that their favorite hardware/software company is this innovation giant is patently absurd. These ideas are stolen all the time -- and the Applebots on this thread are taking the meaning of that word too literally. "Apple didn't steal BSD, it's free." "Apple didn't steal Xerox's ideas, they paid for them." I mean steal in the sense that comedians steal jokes from each other. And they all do that. But Apple fanboys pretend that Apple doesn't do it. It's crap.

As for the claim that Apple did some of the things early, maybe not first but better, OK... sometimes... What I will agree to is that Apple has better marketing and better advertising, and the fact that they're able to sell Intel equipment for much higher prices than their competition is more a tribute to P.T. Barnum's knowledge of human nature than it is to any real innovation: I've had Zunes and I've had iPod Touches and frankly, the Creative Zen -- which no longer exists -- was a better value than either.

70 posted on 11/12/2009 10:36:46 AM PST by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Richard Kimball

Office 2007 is a reason why OpenOffice is becoming more popular. The new interface is atrocious. I still haven’t decoded the underlying paradigm that would allow me to “postulate” where to find various commands and features.

Just locating the File menu is anti-intuitive in that you must click on the logo. Umm... Everyone I talk to has a story about discovering the File menu. It usually begins like this, “I was so frustrated so I started randomly clicking on everything.”


71 posted on 11/12/2009 10:37:50 AM PST by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Terpfen
Okay, so the both of you are incapable of Googling. On the latest MacBook Pros, the audio input and output jack are one in the same.

Let's get one thing straight...

I'm the employer...he's the employee. It's not my job to analyze his problem - he's remote from me and it's his job to correct whatever problem he's having. I don't have the need to Google anything concerning his problems.

Next, if the "audio input and output jack are one in the same" then it makes it somewhat difficult to use most stereo headsets that utilize separate jacks for the headphone and mic now doesn't it?

Run off and play now. I think I hear your Master, Mr. Jobs, calling you. Run fast....

72 posted on 11/12/2009 10:48:56 AM PST by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: politicket
I'm the employer...he's the employee. It's not my job to analyze his problem - he's remote from me and it's his job to correct whatever problem he's having. I don't have the need to Google anything concerning his problems.

Of course. But you do yourself a disservice when you come on FR to describe your employee as "whining" and then not bothering to obtain accurate information.

Next, if the "audio input and output jack are one in the same" then it makes it somewhat difficult to use most stereo headsets that utilize separate jacks for the headphone and mic now doesn't it?

I take it back, you've extended beyond doing yourself a disservice and have crossed firmly over into moron territory.
73 posted on 11/12/2009 10:51:43 AM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Please.

C++ usage is dropping because most programmers simply aren't bright enough to code in it, and there are simpler viable alternatives for average coders now available. If most coders were not functioning at the level of 1950's COBOL programmers, Java, to take just one example, would never have existed. Even so, not even 1% of developers on this planet code in objective-C.

Please cite one major programming feature in the C++ standard that Visual C++ doesn't conform to. Just one actually used, please. I've written code for money in just about every language there is, and there is no other with the expressive power or capability of C++. And I have used just about everybody's C++ compiler. They're ALL conformant for practical purposes.

Please do cite for me ONE large scale application actually written in Objective-C. It's a toy language, for applets. No one is going to code a major IT project or even a serious App in Objective-C. If you think even the major Mac applications are coded in Objective-C, you're kidding yourself.

74 posted on 11/12/2009 10:53:12 AM PST by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Amazing, since mine does. Are you and he both blind?

First off, I'm not blind since my employee is remote and I can't see his laptop. You would understand that if you knew anything about the concept of reading.

Next, you Mac-ites seem to know nothing of which you speak. Macbooks do have a "line in" port, but it is unpowered - hence the inability to use a great majority of the common headsets out there.

I guess that I have to do YOUR research for you. This is from a forum that likes to support your Dear Leader:

I was the proud owner of a 13" Black MacBook, until today

75 posted on 11/12/2009 10:57:12 AM PST by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: Terpfen
I take it back, you've extended beyond doing yourself a disservice and have crossed firmly over into moron territory.

So, you're calling an unpowered "line in" port equivalent to a standard mic jack found on most PC laptops?

Run off now - I hear that Mr. Jobs is calling you for "servicing".

76 posted on 11/12/2009 10:59:16 AM PST by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: politicket
So, you're calling an unpowered "line in" port equivalent to a standard mic jack found on most PC laptops?

I'm calling you a moron, which you are. The sad thing is, you don't realize why.
77 posted on 11/12/2009 11:02:14 AM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Terpfen
I'm calling you a moron, which you are. The sad thing is, you don't realize why.

Oh...that was a "snappy" reply.

I don't know if whether to call you "quick-witted" or, more fittingly, "dim-witted".

78 posted on 11/12/2009 11:03:47 AM PST by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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To: politicket

My Thursday was going pretty badly before you piped up. Now it’s full of laughs and cheer. Keep going, I need the amusement.


79 posted on 11/12/2009 11:05:38 AM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: Terpfen
Keep going, I need the amusement.

The only thing amusing here is that you are a failure at admitting your own stupidity regarding "powered" mic ports and "unpowered" line-in ports.

You've gone two posts now without addressing that issue. Typical Mac zombie, you like to spout off until you're confronted with the truth.

Ta-ta....you're a waste of my time.

80 posted on 11/12/2009 11:08:22 AM PST by politicket (1 1/2 million attended Obama's coronation - only 14 missed work!)
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