Oh Wilber, I think we've been insulted!
Posted on 05/14/2010 3:21:18 PM PDT by bushpilot1
Meandering through my 1928 Edition of Bouvier's Law Dictionary on page 833, Native, Native Citizen is defined:
Those born in a country, of parents who are citizens.
If Obama does not meet the standards of a native citizen how can he be a natural born citizen.
At least Wiggout’s comments were less loquacious. IIRC.
I dunno, I'm not sure, but that just might be racist.
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Oh Wilber, I think we've been insulted!
Excuse me sir, I am fluent in jive.
(not)
If I could post graphics, I’d post that nail meets hammer one.
You got it!
Osama is only about 4 years older than BO. Maybe his father? OBL was ~17th of ~54 children of his father, Mohammed bin Laden. Mo bin Laden at least 22 wives (serially , only 4 at a time is allowed, but of course a Mussleman can have as many concubines as he can afford).maybe Stanley Ann was number 23? (Mo bin Laden was reportedly heading to wife #23 when his plane crashed in '67, killing him at ~age 59.) Maybe he slipped a young pale dark haired concubine in there somewhere?
LMAO!
Not true. While the US does not recognize dual citizenship, in most cases it does not prohibit it, nor punish it by loss of US citizenship. At one time, one could lose their citizenship that way, but not for a good long time. There are plenty of US Citizens, natural born and naturalized, who are also citizens of Israel. Many even join the IDF, and still are not stripped of their US citizenship.
The requirement for NBC, apply at birth, not afterwords. They do not involve what another government claims, but they very well could, and IMHO do, involve what the US government recognizes, that is the non-citizenship of the parent(s).
So it doesn't matter if BHO Jr was a British, Kenyan, or Canadian citizen at birth, what matters is the place of birth and the US citizenship, or lack thereof, of his parents.
In your example, if Russia declared that everyone born in Alaska (I changed that to make it a tad more realisti, since we did buy Alaska from them) was a Russian citizen. It would not matter a bit, since the US recognizes them as US citizens, and thus their children born in Alaska would be natural born citizens, Russian claims to the contrary.
Yes, as long as both her parents were US citizens, she would be "born in the country, of parents who are citizens".
“That’s the problem with being a liar and a troll, you forget the lies you told. “
I forgot nothing, and was accurate in my rebuttal of you. As you NOW note, I wrote:
“I’d be happy if they would roll back some of WKA, which IMHO amended the Constitution by court fiat in ignoring the whole ‘under the jurisdiction’ phrase.”
Hmmm...I want some of WKA rolled back. Why? Because they “amended the Constitution by court fiat”. As everyone knows, a court proclamation cannot amend the Constitution, so an effective amendment by court fiat (”an arbitrary decree or pronouncement, esp. by a person or group of persons having absolute authority to enforce it”) needs REPEAL. Rolled back.
In an what sense did they change the Constitution by fiat? “...in ignoring the whole ‘under the jurisdiction’ phrase...”
Thus I said the Court ruled wrongly, and imposed it views arbitrarily rather than IAW the Constitution, and it needs to be revoked by a new ruling consistent with the Constitution.
This lesson in basic English has been brought to you by Mr Rogers. You are welcome! Now if you would only learn that insults are a poor substitute for reason!
“Not true.”
You are right and I’m wrong. Valid point.
I believe the correct phrase is Natural Born Citizen as required in the Constitution.
Actually this is not the case. The early decisions treated "native" and "natural born" as equivalent. But they did so with *both* meaning "born in the country of parents who are citizens". Even after the 14th amendment, which does not use the word "native" or "native born" (or of course "natural born") it's just that the language has morphfed to define "native born" as born in the country, regardless of parental citizenship. But in Vattel, and the Supreme Court cases quoting or paraphrasing his definition, the two terms are joined by and "OR".
"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens", or the paraphrase from Minor vs Happesett:
At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens
The two terms meant the same thing, and they did not mean "born in the country" alone).
Arg, I wish this browser had a spell checker... The one I use at home does.
Actually even the liberal Justice Ginsberg has ruled in cases that citizenship is conveyed by the father not the mother.
Also the term is Natural Born Citizen, Obama is an US Citizen (maybe) but do to the fact that his father was a British subject and not a US citizen it is completely impossible for Obama to qualify as a natural born citizen as required in the US Constitution.
That is the entire point, did you ever notice they dodge that big time and always deflect to the secondary issues (i.e. birth certificate, hospital in Hawaii, etc). None of that matters he can’t be a natural born citizen and therefore he can’t be eligible to be POTUS. But of course that is how the Progressive rolls...they violate the law, get away with it, set precedent, thus nullifying the law based on case law. That is why they want the US to decide legal cases based on international case law.
TOTAL BS and very few people understand exactly what is at stake here.
Just like the GM bail-out, it has nothing to do with GM getting money or paying it back, etc...it has all to do with the subversion of the secure bond holders, they were trashed and lost their shirts thus the core of ALL contract law in the US was shattered and yet another precedent set allowing ALL politicians to completely abandon any signed contracts, etc...
They are destroying our free country, moving from individual freedom to collective freedom and it is going to suck best to get your family ready - it’s coming and now election is going to change the path we are on.
Chief Justice Marshall doesn't have to define natural born citizenship since de Vattel has done that for him. It's there in Venus, and you spouting it is only as a 'philosophical viewpoint' is hogwash - a lame attempt to explain it away.
a citizen was 25 years after the Constitution was signed.
A non sequitur and irrelevant.
And he agrees that citizens born of citizens are...citizens.
Marshall apparently agreed with de Vattel on his definition of who constitutes a citizen besides naturalization or denizens. His opinion in Venus is littered with de Vattel cites.
I don't chase tails, you want WKA rolled back?
Why, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
“I’d be happy if they would roll back some of WKA, which IMHO amended the Constitution by court fiat in ignoring the whole ‘under the jurisdiction’ phrase.”
My ass, you support it, you're on every thread here defending your man.
You still have not stated why even though there is ample evidence supporting both sides of the NBC argument, you choose to side with obama.
You also try to bring a moral equivalence to the Bush bashers, or what you refer to as BDS, citing the two have equal protection....that was a fatal flaw in your argument, you revealed your self.
Get lost troll.
I see...so regardless of what I write, you KNOW what I am thinking. Have you considered getting a job with the CIA? It could use someone who reads minds...although they need more accuracy than your mind-reading provides.
Fascinating. They define ‘natural born citizen’ without ever referring to it...
Maybe you could join LVR in applying for a job reading minds.
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