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Change in rattlesnake behavior?
11/20/10

Posted on 11/19/2010 10:16:49 PM PST by roses of sharon

HUNTERS AND FARMERS AND THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY.....TAKE HEED....

My fellow friends and family,

We have killed 57 rattlesnakes on two separate ranches this year. 24 @South bend & 33 @ Murray, since mid May. Not one has buzzed! We provoked one fair sized boy with a stick and he coiled & struck at the stick a couple of times before he buzzed up and rattled. The purpose of this explanation is that I have been hearing the same from fellow ranchers and hunters in regards to the lack of warning with rattlesnakes.

I had lunch with a friend today and he offered a theory about the fact that these bugs aren't rattling anymore. He raised pigs for years and reported that when he would hear a rattlesnake buzzing in the sow pen, the sows would bee line to it and fight over the snake. For the uninformed, pigs love to eat rattlesnakes.

Therefore, the theory is they are ceasing to rattle to avoid detection, since there are plenty of pigs roaming the countryside. I have a neighbor ranching lady who was bitten 3 weeks ago 2 times by the same snake without any warning....she spent 5 days in ICU, after 22 vials of anti-venom she is back at the ranch and still may lose her foot or worse yet her lower leg.

The days of perceived warning are over. Keep your boots on and use a light when out and about. As you all know, one can pop up just about anywhere! You may wish to forward this to anyone that would be interested.

These guys think the rattlesnakes have stopped warning with their rattles before striking because the abundance of wild hogs has taught them that if they rattle a hog will come and eat them. The wild hogs are a problem (ferrule not Razorbacks which are not so plentiful but which must also eat snakes) to farmers and ranchers and now they have possibly made the rattlers a bigger problem. Just in case you guys get out in the woods or wilds.


TOPICS: Agriculture; Health/Medicine; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: farming; hiking; hog; hunting; pig; rattlers; rattlesnake; snake; wildboar; wildpig
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To: roses of sharon

At 9494’ we ain’t got no rattlers, rattling or otherwise. Need to go down to about 7,500’ to find any.


41 posted on 11/20/2010 4:44:01 AM PST by x1stcav (Charter member of the Yukon Army..)
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To: roses of sharon
Naw, simple evolution caused by outside forces. The buzzers have all been killed.
42 posted on 11/20/2010 4:46:05 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (What flavor Kool-aid are you drinking?)
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To: steve86
The rattlesnakes around here didn’t get the memo ...

Reporting in from the Colo. Springs area. My wife had an encounter with one while hiking, she wasn't bitten, apparently that particular rattler didn't get the memo either.

43 posted on 11/20/2010 4:57:36 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: BIGLOOK

Oh, I thought this was about Obama.


44 posted on 11/20/2010 6:07:52 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: cpdiii

Your experience agrees with mine. Rattlesnakes that can run away normally do, and do so quietly. If cornered, what I’ve seen is about 50:50 rattle/quiet.

On one occasion in Yellowstone, I had a large (4-5 feet) rattler that attacked our lunch site 4 times. The first three times, we took a large stick and tossed him away. The 4th time, we pinned him and killed him.

But as long as it lives at least 100 yards from my house, I don’t mind them.


45 posted on 11/20/2010 6:22:50 AM PST by Mr Rogers (When an ass brays, don't reply)
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To: The KG9 Kid; Flycatcher
I'm a live and let live guy with rattlesnakes. Coyotes? If the chance arises, I'll kill them. If you don't kill them from time to time, they lose their fear and are not pleasant.

About 10 years ago, on Edwards AFB, 6 coyotes stalked my daughter while she was walking our Border Collie. Both she and Leila knew full well they were being stalked, but between them they presented enough of a danger to the coyotes that there was no attack - and after 10 tense minutes, they made it back inside the family housing area.

Leila watching our baby around 1999:

46 posted on 11/20/2010 6:37:59 AM PST by Mr Rogers (When an ass brays, don't reply)
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To: Dusty Road; All

Thanks for the input..I figured Freepers would have the straight scoop on this!


47 posted on 11/20/2010 6:48:03 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

I saw that (ferrule) in the fwd email, didn’t know if it was a Texas thing or what:)

I am up in Mich now, but was born and raised in TX...and had plenty of run-ins with rattlers. My cousin was bit while we were playing in the garden.

Scary stuff.


48 posted on 11/20/2010 6:53:44 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: Borax Queen; Darksheare
*Ahem*

Would a warning really be too much to ask? I mean at least I play Jaws music first........

:-)

49 posted on 11/20/2010 6:58:31 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: roses of sharon

Some people can smell Rattlesnakes and Water Moccasins before they ever see them. To me, Rattlers smell like licorice candy and Moccasins have a smell like old wet newspapers. I think the snakes use it as a warning if someone is too close.

I have located several that I didn’t see until I started searching after smelling them.


50 posted on 11/20/2010 6:59:59 AM PST by seemoAR
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To: roses of sharon

Have you ever seen a Massassagua rattler?


51 posted on 11/20/2010 7:00:09 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: lurk

Adaptation, not evolution.


52 posted on 11/20/2010 7:02:31 AM PST by Banjoguy (Barack H. Obama, the Democrats and the MSM are at war with the American people.)
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To: clearcarbon

Is that Nanssssy Pelosssssi ?


53 posted on 11/20/2010 7:03:21 AM PST by PLMerite (Fix the FR clock. It's time.)
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To: F15Eagle

Of course. LOL!


54 posted on 11/20/2010 7:04:26 AM PST by stansblugrassgrl
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To: Mr Rogers
Great photo.

But now I miss my wonderful border collie even more... {sigh}

55 posted on 11/20/2010 7:11:46 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: lurk

I would suggest that it is Darwin that is vindicated.

The phenomena is called natural selection.


56 posted on 11/20/2010 7:11:57 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: Lakeshark

(No, I have not, thank goodness, but this boy did)

Boy, 7, recovering after Eastern Massasauga Rattlesnake bites him in his backyard in Jackson County

Monday, August 23, 2010, 11:45 AM

Unlike other family members, 7-year-old Logan Coleman doesn’t have an aversion to snakes.

Clutching a handful of the plastic toy reptiles, he says his favorite is the venomous African black mamba.

He likes rattlesnakes, too, he said. Except for the one that bit him Wednesday in his Spring Arbor Township backyard in a rare encounter with Michigan’s only venomous snake.

“Logan screamed and said, ‘Mom, you have to come see what bit me,’ ” his mother, Kimberly Coleman, recalled Friday while standing near the family’s swing set where they found the snake coiled in the grass.

Logan and his 4-year-old sister, Natalie, were raking leaves in the backyard Wednesday afternoon when Logan said he saw a “funny looking leaf.” Curious, he bent down to touch it.

Lying well camouflaged among the leaves and grass in the yard, the snake — later identified as an Eastern Massasauga Rattlesnake — bit Logan’s left thumb when he touched its head.

It didn’t take long for his thumb to swell and become stiff.

“I couldn’t even move it an inch,” Logan said, holding out his thumb, still bruised and puffy two days later and his arm marked by dark lines emergency personnel used to monitor the swelling.

Fearful of snakes, Kim Coleman called her husband, Bryan, and a neighbor who told her to take Logan to the hospital after he saw the reptile. The neighbor managed to wrangle the snake into a container to take to the hospital so it could be identified, Coleman said.

The snake was still alive when it was brought into the Allegiance Health emergency room, where staff were able to confirm it was an Eastern Massasauga, hospital spokesman Shannon Scholten wrote in an e-mail.

He estimated it has been more than a decade since the hospital saw a patient who had been bitten by a snake.

Logan was later taken to the University of Michigan Medical Center in Ann Arbor, where he was treated for the bite and released Thursday.


57 posted on 11/20/2010 7:18:26 AM PST by roses of sharon (I can do all things through Him who strengthens me. Philippians 4:13)
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To: Lakeshark

Lived in western Michigan 30 years, about half in rural areas and saw only one: a small baby sunning itself on a rock. Recently, though, it seems there’ve been more dangerous run-ins with snackes in Michigan.


58 posted on 11/20/2010 7:21:45 AM PST by FourPeas (Pester not the geek, for the electrons are his friends.)
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To: roses of sharon
Last year the lady of the house whacked one with a shovel.

Tough little suckers......

Thanks for reminding me not to pick up funny looking leaves.

59 posted on 11/20/2010 7:23:40 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: roses of sharon; Borax Queen; FourPeas
"Look out for sneaky snake!"


60 posted on 11/20/2010 7:33:01 AM PST by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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