Posted on 04/02/2011 7:53:41 AM PDT by JoeProBono
A hush fell over the crowd filling the elegant hall in downtown Richmond, Va. The vote was about to be announced, and a young staffer of the Museum of the Confederacy balanced his laptop across his knees, poised to get out the news as soon as it was official.
Who would be chosen "Person of the Year, 1861"?
Five historians had made impassioned nominations, and the audience would now decide.
Most anywhere else, the choice would be obvious. Who but Abraham Lincoln? But this was a vote in the capital of the rebellion that Lincoln put down, sponsored by a museum dedicated to his adversary. How would Lincoln and his war be remembered in this place, in our time?
A century and a half have passed since Lincoln's crusade to reunify the United States. The North and the South still split deeply on many issues, not least the conflict they still call by different names. All across the bloodstained arc where the Civil War raged, and beyond, Americans are deciding how to remember....
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I was comparing the two Armies tactical battle field capabilities not strategic capabilities.
“What Forrest did at Fort Pillow” Don’t go by the congressional testimony way back then or the myths that have grown up around that. It was a tangled mess at Fort Pillow that was not an intentional genocide of blacks by Forrest like the NAACP and others contend.
1) There never was a centralized, coordinated operation like the United States Military Railroad was.
2) The southern railroads had varying railroad gauges, and that proved to be a BIG problem moving anything throughout the Confederate states. I believe that the US Military Railroad used standard gauge (4' 8.5") for all their lines.
I didn’t vote for Obama. I voted for Sarah Palin.
“Foolish’’? How ironic. I come to the same site and I lectured by a Confederate in the attic.
It is amazing that the Civil War still causes emotions to run high.
I was a Pro Lincoln, Pro Union person in my youth. Then I started Reading about how “Honest Abe” abused the Bill of Rights and then I started to change course.
Did both sides commit “war crimes”? yeah, most likley. War didnt have a rule book to follow back then, so troops on both sides just followed tradition of rape, pillage and what not. It was done all over the world and was not frowned upon.
We cant use 21st century eyes to view 19th century wars.
Just my opinion...I think the South had a lot more points in their favor and Union folks see the noble cause of abolishing slavery to “OK” everything that was done in its name.
The difference was that the General orders of the day in the Union Army was TO pillage, in the Confederate Army the General Orders were to NOT pillage.. It happen far and away more often in the Union Army, and was condoned and joked about. Sometimes poorly fed shod rebs would “buy” things from the locals at greatly reduced prices, as far as burning pillaging in the Army of NoVa preposterous....
I’m not ashamed of what I do for a living. I teach young people that communism, socialism, and such things are bad, that there can be no utopia on this earth, and you have to work in order to succeed, among other things. Just furthering the conservative cause in a quiet way.... Have you done that much? And in case, why is it your state feels like you are only entitled to one gun a month? I could go and buy 10 today if I had the money.... And like I said- if your state was so great, then we wouldn’t be infested with people from there down here, proposing crap like toll roads and talking smack about “we did it much better back home...”
People flock to your state because I tell them to. Yup, only people from NJ are moving to your state. How old are you?
“People flock to your state because I tell them to. Yup, only people from NJ are moving to your state. How old are you?”
Old enough. And if that’s your plan to defeat creeping socialism, stop. You are only causing it to move South.
LOL...one of the things my wife noticed about the south..."where are all the toll roads?"
Darn near every interstate in New England is a toll road.
Jeez, you’ve got no sense of humor. Don’t you think me and fellow conservatives here, out-numbered as we are aren’t trying to do something about the mess this state is in? Christ sake, we put a Republican govenor in office.
Oh, it’s more a thinly veiled threat?
My original post to you copied below for your convenience:
jmacusa - The gentleman from Virgina you are assailing is a US Navy veteran. Also, the slur you apply to a conservative North Carolina teacher is egregiously misplaced. You could learn much from both of them if you allow yourself the privilege.
A threat? LOL! You see the boogieman under your bed at night too? LOL! You're barking up the wrong tree. I don't have time for your nonsense.
I pretty much went the other way. If you consider that it was a revolutionary situation and things were truly falling apart, with the Confederacy poised to take over as much of the slave states as they could grab and to weaken the rest of the country as much as they could manage, Lincoln's actions may not look so tyrannical or abusive.
Faced with a secessionist threat in our time any government wouldn't behave so differently from Lincoln's -- not to impose a tyranny, just to prevent anarchy and the surrender of citizens and territory to a rival movement that was willing to use force to get its way: for the Confederate government infringed on basic freedoms of habeus corpus, speech, assembly, and the press as well as the US government, if not more so.
I think the South had a lot more points in their favor and Union folks see the noble cause of abolishing slavery to “OK” everything that was done in its name.
Perhaps, unionists did excuse a lot in the name of abolishing slavery. But what I notice here is people associating secession and the Confederacy with liberty and excusing whatever the CSA did -- including starting the war and strongly supporting slavery -- by claiming that it was all in the name of liberty. If you hear enough of that talk, maybe you might change your mind again.
Nor I for yours.
Comical poppycock bump.
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