Posted on 05/11/2011 11:46:37 PM PDT by conservativehawkeye
Something interesting just happened tonight when I just tried posting an entire article from The Des Moines Register... It isn't allowed to because of a copyright complaint...
So now I can't point to articles in the largest newspaper in my state because people don't realize you don't post entire articles here (or anywhere) without permission.
But let's just continue to whine about excerpts. Here's a question, if we aren't supposed to do it, why does Free Republic give us that option when we post?
When we post entire articles it is not fair to the authors of the original content whether it is The Des Moines Register, Fox News, or some local blogger.
Why make up your own rules on Free Republic? The Admin Moderators have been clear the limit is 300 words or 1/2 of the article, whichever is less.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2678602/posts?page=25#25
Sorry. I should have pinged you to post #22 since I was talking about you.
I listed all three of you since it’s hard to tell which hat you’re wearing at any given time.
By the way, Shane, I noticed that you said you wanted your “shanevanderhart” account to be zotted, but they Admins wouldn’t let you do it? I’ve added a couple of people to this ping who might be able to help.
Early on, humblegunner made me aware of the concerns with blog pimping and I made sure to post the full post/content as much as possible whenever I posted about something from my blog. As far as I know he doesn’t have a problem with my posting. Lately I’ve had more graphic-intense content so it really has to involve a link to the PDF hosted on my blog.
Recently some threads here at FR were pulled because they referenced research done by somebody who is “not welcome on Free Republic”. There were a lot of good comments on that thread, and I had used the thread to consolidate some of what I had learned but haven’t yet done a blog post on. Sort of collecting my thoughts and gathering the links in one place so I could come back to it and post on it. When I came back the next morning the whole thing was gone. All that information that people had posted disappeared down the memory hole, all because the thread addressed content by somebody who is “not welcome at Free Republic”.
Al Sharpton is probably not welcome at Free Republic, but we still have posts that talk about what he’s said.
I know the above scenario is not directly related to the “blog pimping” issue, and I very much appreciate and respect what you said about not wanting to have a generic rule that would cut out a lot of good conservative content. There are always judgment calls to be made, and people will have different opinions on those. I do hope that the moderators and everybody else will respect that people put a lot of time into some of their posts, and to destroy all that because somebody doesn’t like somebody who was mentioned somewhere in the thread is disappointing and frustrating. I hope that the default is towards free speech, trusting that Freepers are intelligent enough to sort out the good, the bad, and the ugly. That’s our trademark: Freeper eye for the liberal lie.
One of the reasons I greatly prefer to post the whole content of my blog post here and why I hope other people will post things in their entirety also is because that keeps it from being able to be totally erased from the web. FR archives are SO critical for documenting information that has since been scrubbed - or attempted to be scrubbed - from the web. The waybackmachine keeps some stuff, but the Google people decide what can be accessed and what can’t (and they’re the ones doing the scrubbing anyway, in many cases) AND you can’t access unless you know the exact web address. FR archives have those links. That is really critical stuff. So for anybody who wants their material to stay out there, it makes a LOT of sense to post as much as you possibly can when you post at FR.
That archiving function is a great result of the concern over “blog pimping”. So I guess I can thank the anti-blog-pimping crew for helping to ensure that actual content, and not just links, is preserved in the archives. Thanks for that! =)
I’m glad to hear that you can work out something with the forum. Your particular case sounds a little complicated and I personally can’t think of a solution to your problem off the top of my head but I hope you can come up with something.
The mods are the final word. The pimpbusters are NOT mods. We merely suggest things. And I don’t think you’ll get past the people “not allowed on FR” problem. That’s pretty serious. But that’s just my opinion.
Good luck to you, FRiend.
I appreciate her work on Ubama’s background and don’t appreciate your insults towards her efforts.
The Birth Certificate is but one element. The mainstream press is being forced to expose themselves. The “birther crap” you mentioned is currently being examined in the 9th circuit Court, maybe you missed it?
I do believe you should crawl out from under the rock.
Where you been since 1998?
As long as we’re talking about the substance brought up by the MSM and folks like Chris Matthews, they will continue to be prominent voices. And as long as there are people listening to them we have to address it.
But one of the biggest vulnerabilities our country has is the class of people who ONLY hears CNN (for instance). As long as there is that class of people, and it’s a large class of people, we need to try to either drive CNN to cover content they don’t want to cover (like the “birther crap”, as you call it since it apparently doesn’t bug you at all that government agencies have been forging documents and covering up blatant forgeries on behalf of Soros’ illegal puppet Obama) OR drive them off the air.
Acting as if the only “legitimate” news sources are non-bloggers doesn’t help those goals at all.
I know of very few bloggers who think they “know it all”. The ones I know are involved in research and know FAR MORE about their subject matter than anybody in the MSM and would also be the FIRST to say that we don’t know it all and that is precisely the problem. The MSM, OTOH, tends to say we know as much as we need to know and anybody who researches any deeper than a superficial scratching is “crazy”.
Seems like a lot of bloggers are attention whores and just copy and paste other writers’ work to their blog. I come here for news, and don’t expect to see the same article from a paper and 10 blogs.
Did you see this exchange between Sharpton and Cornell from April 2011? Seems The Black America experience is being divided and resentment is acute....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m5bmVgxGc0&feature=related
Alternative explanation: the paper doc was received from Hawaii in the mail and scanned and then converted into layers. Some fainter text and signatures went into one layer and darker stuff into another. Nothing much else would need to be done other than export to PDF.
Orly Taitz who is bringing the case to the ninth circuit is a poster child for inability to reason correctly about image scanning and processing. Her statement was "After the hourlong hearing, she said the document's serial number was out of sequence, the typing wasn't aligned, and it was printed on green paper instead of white paper like other Hawaiian birth records of that era." She doesn't seem to realize that the paper from Hawaii is new, not from "that era". It was produced by copying the old record on white paper from the book onto the new paper which was then stamped and signed.
What makes you think CNN is going to cover birthers as anything other than lunatics? Hawaii mailed a real doc to Obama, someone scanned it, made some layers, exported as PDF, then the WH posted it on the website to keep the birthers going on about conspiracy while the plebes watching CNN see the original document being held on camera. The facts most simply support a document being mailed from Hawaii and put on display. Other theories are woefully inadequate (e.g. part of a signature in one layer and part in another). The WH PDF is nothing more than a rope-a-dope digital artifact designed to waste people's time and paint the opposition as lunatic fringe.
The reader can figure it for themselves Palmer. Like sausage, its not always pretty.
Why criticize Orly here? She is not here and again, we can easily see her mistakes just as you do.
The point I’m making is this. Some people will criticize and call another’s contributions just crap and I don’t believe it helps the atmosphere at all.
I am surprised though, to see that you follow the subject.
I was under the impression you we’re saying the subject was just birther crap.
Where has anybody seen the original document being held on camera? When has a raised seal ever been documentably visible to be examined for genuineness? Show me.
And you’re crazy if if you think it is no problem that the HDOH apparently had 3 different versions of a birth certificate for Obama, apparently using the same basic document as the fake “Kenyan birth reported by Grandma Dunham” BC - on which document the latest long-form forgery was also based.
Anybody looking at that who says it’s fine and dandy for a state DOH to play this kind of cat-and-mouse game for political purposes (to frame people who want legitimate, authentic documentation as “crazy) is so beyond both sanity and humanity that it’s a waste of time to even try to reason with them.
If that’s where most Americans are, then we may as well give up right now, because there’s no way to fix that kind of deficiency. I prefer to believe that people are simply ignorant, in which case giving them genuine facts is all that can be done. If the facts aren’t enough, then we deserve everything we get.
And we will get that soon. Mark my words. Things are now being set in motion that will destroy this nation. If we survive the weekend and Corsi’s book is released we can talk further.
I’m not here to help the atmosphere, but to call it like I see it. If I can do that and keep it civil, that’s even better, but I am not going to pretend that the birther logic is anything other than half-baked crap.
I'm sorry if I implied that it's fine and dandy. It is not. It is clearly fraud, like I said the ML/NJ in another thread, but a subtle fraud in which a real document mailed from Hawaii was scanned and post-processed to alter the appearance before releasing it to the public. The content was not altered AFAIK, just the appearance. It brings up the possibility of altered content, but none of the presented content is controvertible.
It would be great to see a birther argue that the document scan was altered: converted into layers and thresholded differently for layers. That much is completely obvious from the evidence. Instead the birthers present a completely unfounded theory of forgery as if someone took different pieces of imagery (from where?) and put them in different layers. Some letters from some words went in one layer and the rest of the letters in another layer. Some parts of one signature went in one layer and the rest in another. That still points to processing in the methods I have described starting from a scan of a real paper artifact. Either way the facts point to the processing that I describe, not to some undescribed "forgery".
I don’t know enough about computers to say much about the layers. I’m more stupid and basic: there is no seal on the claimed “photograph” of the document. I photographed my own daughter’s death certificate and no matter how bad the photo was, there were signs of a seal. This is a clear photograph taken at close range and there should have been a clear image of a seal. There isn’t. That is the legal test for a document actually being from the government agency - the seal. And it’s missing.
What he posted is lacking the seal that was on the document they sent him. This isn’t even seriously PRETENDING to be the same document he received from the HDOH.
Even for a n00b you certainly have problems. Generally speaking when entering a complex and well-developed community like Free Republic, it’s best to spend some time reading the room, you know? Joining a community, especially one as well-established as Free Republic, and then spending one’s time complaining about rules is....well ignorant. Asking questions in a respectful, inquisitive manner, is much wiser.
Dude, chill out. Spend some time reading articles. Then spend some time commenting on them. You’ll discover a lot about the conservatives here, and you’ll develop some badly needed respect for what happens here. It’s a learning-curve thing, and in our I-want-it-now culture such important things tend to fall by the wayside. Free Republic isn’t the average website and the average quick-and-dirty methods don’t work here.
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