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Are we going to let Obama get rid of Herman Cain the same way he got rid of Jack Ryan?

Posted on 11/30/2011 7:48:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

The smear campaign against Herman Cain is the exact same kind of smear campaign the media ran against Jack Ryan. Had Jack Ryan not been taken out, we would never have had a Senator Obama, and without a Senator Obama we would never have had a President Obama.

Campaign demise

Ryan married actress Jeri Ryan in 1991; together they have a son, Alex Ryan. They divorced in 1999 in California, and the records of the divorce were sealed at their mutual request. Five years later, when Ryan's Senate campaign began, the Chicago Tribune newspaper and WLS-TV, the local ABC affiliate, sought to have the records released. On March 3, 2004, several of Ryan's GOP primary opponents urged release of the records.[5] Both Ryan and his wife agreed to make their divorce records public, but not make the custody records public, claiming that the custody records could be harmful to their son if released. On March 16, 2004, Ryan won the GOP primary with 36 percent to 23 percent against Jim Oberweis who came in second.[6] Obama won the Democratic primary, with 53 percent to 23 percent against Dan Hynes, who came in second.

On March 29, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider ruled that several of the Ryans' divorce records should be opened to the public, and ruled that a court-appointed referee would later decide which custody files should remain sealed to protect the interests of Ryan's young child.[7] The following week, on April 2, 2004, Barack Obama formally established his position about the Ryans' soon-to-be-released divorce records, and called on Democrats not to inject them into the campaign.[8] The Ryan campaign characterized Obama's stance as hypocritical, because Obama's alleged backers had been emailing reports about the divorce records prior to Judge Schnider's decision.[8]

In May 2004, two polls were conducted statewide where the Chicago Tribune poll found Ryan trailing Obama 52% to 30% [9] while the Sun Times reported that he was trailing Obama 48 percent to 40 percent in the U.S. Senate race, according to a new Daily Southtown poll of 500 likely Illinois voters [10] [11] On June 22, 2004, after receiving a report from the referee, Judge Schnider released the files that were deemed consistent with the interests of Ryan's young child. In those files, Jeri Ryan alleged that Jack Ryan had asked her to perform sexual acts with him in public in sex clubs in New York, New Orleans, and Paris. Jeri Ryan described one as "a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from the ceiling."[12][1]

The decision to release these files generated much controversy because it went against both parents' direct request, and because it reversed the earlier decision to seal the papers in the best interest of the child. Jim Oberweis, Ryan's defeated GOP opponent, commented that "these are allegations made in a divorce hearing, and we all know people tend to say things that aren't necessarily true in divorce proceedings when there is money involved and custody of children involved."[1]

Prior to release of the documents, Ryan claimed he had told leading Republicans that the divorce file could cause problems for his campaign.[13] After the documents were released, GOP Chair Judy Baar Topinka said of Ryan's comment "It may have been somewhat misleading."[14] Topinka said after the June 25 withdrawal that Ryan's "decision was a personal one" and that the state GOP had not pressured Ryan to drop out.[15][16] Ryan's campaign ended less than a week after the custody records were opened, and Ryan officially filed the documentation to withdraw on July 29, 2004. The same party leaders who called for Ryan's resignation chose Alan Keyes as Ryan's replacement in the race; Keyes lost to Obama, 27% to 70%.


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To: Heart of Georgia

Wow—you said that well. Thanks for putting the situation into perspective. The Ruling Class has gotten totally out of hand. If they win this one, the way they won w McCain last time around, it could be the end. You can’t have institutional corruption as deep as it runs in congress—BOTH parties included—and go on indefinitely. The out of control spending is just one symptom. The pandering to illegals, while middle-fingering the rest of us, is another. The *legal* insider trading for congress persons alone, that’s enriching them beyond calculation at our expense.... The list goes on and on. We really need to get it right this time. Cain is part of the solution, not part of the problem. Can’t say the same for Newt.


181 posted on 11/30/2011 4:52:45 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Are we going to let them do it again?

There's already hoardes of FReepers helping them.......

182 posted on 11/30/2011 4:56:41 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (ue)
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To: Alex Murphy

The only Jack Ryan I know is Clancy’s.

He saved the world a couple of times.

Alan Keyes is a deep thinker, and he seems an honorable man. Unfortunately, he proves that neither is necessarily electable.

As for Cain....none of these allegations have stuck with merit as of this point. We can wait for another shoe to drop, or we can give the man the benefit of the doubt. I choose the latter.

The allegations are insignificant, since I already have policy reasons for opposing him: quasi pro-choice, constitutionally uninformed, foreign policy novice (infant actually), advocate of a new tax revenue stream, and loser of other election campaign(s).


184 posted on 11/30/2011 7:13:17 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Fantasywriter

Hi. Thanks for your comments. It seems quite a few are bent on helping to bring down Herman Cain based on nothing but accusations.

I can’t believe conservatives are falling for this - and are actually propagating “it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters” spiel.

But that basically sums up way too many of the comments I’ve read lately. There seems to be no critical thinking/reasoning whatsoever on their part - just take the accusers at their word - and Herman Cain should quit.

I fear the media and political machines are winning. Very disheartening. How will we beat obama if we turn on our own? How will our country recover?


185 posted on 11/30/2011 7:33:31 PM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: Heart of Georgia

I couldn’t have said it better. We are really at the cross roads. The corruption is DC is all but irreversible already. The GOP alone is so rotted, it’s hard to find anything worth saving. The old tortoise McConnell has enriched himself shamefully on insider trading, all the while playing footsie with the Dems on issues critical to our future—and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

If we let the MSM destroy yet another good conservative w an actual chance of changing DC for the better, we may as well hang it up. Newt can’t wait to work in a ‘bipartisan manner’. He said so. It will be business as usual—which means flushing America down the drain. Cain is our best hope—lets pray he weathers this storm and comes out all the stronger for it. Our country needs him.


186 posted on 11/30/2011 7:44:37 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

Agree, DC is full of corrupt good ole boys on both sides. I thought the anger of 2010 sent a message but apparently not.

I’ve been working too much and haven’t kept up on the insider trading this week, didn’t know about McConnell [LOL at old tortoise]. I did hear a blurb where someone [might have been McConnell ?]was defending pelosi’s virtue today. Ha! Whatever. She’s one of the worst, and with everything we know about her, I can easily believe she’s involved.

And more of the same is all we’ll get if we don’t wise up fast. Praying Cain wants to stay in badly enough to fight this. Praying hard for our country.


187 posted on 11/30/2011 9:06:31 PM PST by Heart of Georgia
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To: xzins
The only Jack Ryan I know is Clancy’s.

Start reading here

188 posted on 11/30/2011 10:44:15 PM PST by Alex Murphy (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2703506/posts?page=518#518)
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To: Fantasywriter

Good golly, I totally agree with this post. Imagine that!


189 posted on 11/30/2011 11:01:46 PM PST by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: stars & stripes forever

Reading through some of the posts on FR it seems that apparently it DOES take a rocket scientist to see this is slander. Thank goodness we have a few here on FR to plow through the muck and put words to truth. There are also those who do realize this is slander, but see it as an opportunity to advance their candidate. Pretty shameful. Then there are those who do not support Cain, but do have the decency to call this out for what it is...good for them.


190 posted on 11/30/2011 11:07:57 PM PST by antceecee (Bless us Father.. have mercy on us and protect us from evil.)
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To: Heart of Georgia

Another homer! I will be on the lookout for your post in the future. You have a way w words, and say things I definitely want to read.

I don’t know if it was McConnell who defended Pelosi. It wouldn’t surprise me. They are both up to their necks in insider trading, and their portfolios have exploded upwards. [Though to be fair, Pelosi profited more than McConnell, which is typical. The Republicans consider themselves chaste if they wallow in the same muck as the Dems, but come away covered w only half the mud stuck to them.]

It’s amazing that 2010 meant so little to the GOP leadership. If we don’t send twice as strong a message in 2012, there likely won’t be another chance. We need Cain in the WH, and tea party conservatives in leadership positions. Only then will the DC ‘business as usual’ mentality be broken.


191 posted on 12/01/2011 7:34:45 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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