Beam me to Planet Gore !
Posted on 12/09/2011 11:25:38 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Chinese 2,485 year tree ring study shows natural cycles control climate, temps may cool til 2068
[ In short, we are in a sort of “drought”. Interesting that Hansen did say we were about 1 degree C short of the temperature achieved in the last interglacial (the 10,000 year long warm period between each 100,000 year long period of glaciation). ]
Never let the facts get in the way of a vested agenda....
Yeah, for most of the last 300 million years Earth has had Ice Free polar regions. So Wouldn’t both caps melting be a “return to normalcy”? That is of course ignoring the fact the planet is a dynamic system and there is such thing as “climate normalcy”
Well actually the SHAPE of the continents has a lot more to do with WHY we have ice caps vs trace atmospehric gasses.
The south pole has a land mass that covers the entire south polar region, and the north pole is pretty much a sea that is surrounded by landmasses. Both regions are thermically isolated and this is what prevents warm air/water from warming these areas up. Water moves more heat since it is more dense, so while the north cap may melt it will take a LOT more to melt the Southern Cap as it is isolated from the water flow.
Continenetial drift has moved them into this configuration in the last 60 million years, this is most likely why we have been having polar intiated “ice ages” since then.
If the continent of antarctica didn’t exist and there was a southern ocean in it’s place it would most likely be ice free or mostly ice free and there would be less restriction to water flow than the northern hemisphere has.
[ What a load of crap. I told a girl last night, who was screaming about saving trees, not to worry. The trees will get together and grow chainsaw proof bark. ]
Natural Selection Baby!
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DirkH says:
“Humans have overwhelmed the natural, slow changes that occur on geologic timescales,” Hansen said.
But “natural variability” has overwhelmed the alleged AGW during the last 15 years, according to other CAGW proponents; I would suggest that the CAGW movement now splinters into warring factions.
[ And thinly veiled in the message, man is the problem, so fewer men is the solution.
Centralized government is the most efficient means to fewer men. Hundreds of millions of fewer men. Billions of fewer men. ]
How many people as a percentage of population have died from “Death by Government” from 1901-2000 vs. 1801-1900 ?
I would say the percentage should be a higher number for the last 100 years than the previous one.
Elrich would love a World Government that ran on a policy of “Death by Government” and use his flimsy science to justify it.
[ “Humans have overwhelmed the natural, slow changes that occur on geologic timescales,” Hansen said.
Great! If we have such power, kindly demonstrate by stopping continental drift. ]
That affects climate more than a minute trace gas in the atmosphere.
[ Antarctica appears to have had a half billion years stuck at the bottom. There’s a mountain range there that may be that old and it’s encased. It’s currently under a 2 mile deep ice cap, but those mountains were glacier capped for a very long time and are nice and sharp, just like they were brand new. ]
Hmm, I always thought it drifted around with the others....
Of course there are so many theories on the past positions of continents, they only know where they used to fit together and not exactly WHERE they were in relation Long/Lat...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctica#Geological_history_and_paleontology
I had previously scheduled that for next Tuesday, but then I thought, “Well, if I do that, California will be a less interesting place to live,” so I decided to just let things like continental drift and the climate just happen the way they always have.
Let me get this straight. The fact that the last interglacial maximum was warmer than this one and that sea levels were higher then somehow proves Hansen’s AGW theory? Really? Being colder this time is somehow warmer???
Am I making myself clear,
or shall I turn up the volume?"
Hansen has to be fired.
He is no longer a scientist.
He has become a member of a religious cult - a belief system - and a zealous evangelical for that set of beliefs.
He needs to be replaced by a true scientist who is skeptical enough to question every side of an issue and to admit, as Hansen does not, that, in some areas of science, what we know is far less than what there is to know and therefor our knowledge base is insufficient for making far flung predictions - as is the case with the earth’s climate and its cycles.
I wonder how many glass fulls of benzene Hansen drinks per day. The guy is beyond mental help.
UAH Update for January 2011: Global Temperatures in Freefall
Hansen would rather have us ruled by China ( Dr. James Hansen of NASA )
Hansen: US Democracy Not Competent To Deal With Global Warming Calls on China to “Save Humanity”
Hansen is a lying ass liberal! Anytime anybody trots out some NASA earth photo-map, SAR or other spectrum map of the earth, I ask where are the shots from Mt. Pinatubo in the Philipines? It released more crap into the atmosphere than ALL of humanity combined.
God is silently chuckling at the arrogance of man (at least some of them) for thinking their trifling endeavors have an impact on the massive scale of HIS earth....just chuckling...
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Wherever paleo-climate studies have looked – on a regional basis – Antarctica, Greenland, Tibet – you find 2-3 degree Celsius changes with a beat-frequency of about 1000 years – some of these rises are very steep (Greenland) – within decades – and this is quite normal throughout ice-ages and interglacials. This probably translates to a global 0.5-1 degree shift.
The current warm period is expected on this frequency and not at all unusual in rate of change or amplitude – despite the presence of higher levels of CO2 and other greenhouse gases. Hansen has consistently misinterpreted the natural signal – as confirmation of his models and calculations of ‘sensitivity’ to carbon dioxide. If, as many of us calculate from the real world evidence of radiation flux measurements, CO2 can account for no more than 20-25% of the warming, then future temperatures will be determined by the natural cycle – and many paleo-climate experts think this will turn downward (see Liu’s work on Tibet featured in an earlier thread).
What is so annoying is the way that the left-liberal-green press only ever report Hansen’s opinions thus inflating the carbon currency bubble.