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Seeking camera advice (vanity)
The mush between my ears | 21 Jan 2012 | moi

Posted on 01/21/2012 10:07:27 AM PST by FourPeas

I've done a bit of looking for a camera for my 12yo son, with little success. Hopefully some more knowledgeable FReepers can give me some good advice.

I want a camera that he can use to actually learn about photography, not just use to take pictures. I'd like a camera that has the capabilities to manually set shutter speed and aperture, not just one with a lot of snazzy automatic features. Actually, I'm afraid all those features will just get in the way. At the same time, I'm not looking to spend more than a couple hundred dollars.

I have no problems with a used camera from a reputable dealer, in fact that's where I've been doing most of my looking.

I waiver on whether to stick with a digital or revert back to a film camera. The immediate ability to review a photo on the digital is nice, but I've not come close to finding a good digital option.

Photography's been an on-and-off hobby for me for 35+ years. I have several old film cameras, and I may end up using one of them, but all would require me to very closely supervise him so wouldn't allow him to just have fun when he just wanted to take snapshots. My old digitals are too complex and maneuvering through the menus would be more confusing than the old-fashioned rotating dials.

Which brings me to the final complexity. This kid is my daredevil. Any camera will need to be pretty rugged to be really useful to him.

So, is there something out there that fits my needs? Maybe a better plan is a two camera strategy: one snapshot fun-only box, and one more educational manual box? Any ideas?


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Anybody have any ideas while we wait for the SC results to come in?
1 posted on 01/21/2012 10:07:33 AM PST by FourPeas
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To: FourPeas

I’ll do some research for you.


2 posted on 01/21/2012 10:10:42 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: FourPeas

What is the budget?


3 posted on 01/21/2012 10:13:09 AM PST by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: FourPeas

Needless to say, cameras are not what take good pictures, rather the photographer is the key. For somebody as young as 12, I don’t think a fancy camera is going to help foster interest or skill in photography. So, any modern camera, even smartphones, would suffice.

That said, either a high end point and shoot or an entry level DSLR would allow the person grow into. Being a Nikon guy, I suggest a high end point-and-shoot Nikon J1 or an entry level DSLR like Nikon 3100.


4 posted on 01/21/2012 10:14:42 AM PST by sagar
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To: FourPeas

Nikon EM 1 - old camera, totally manual. Excellent.


5 posted on 01/21/2012 10:18:02 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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From the narrative: At the same time, I'm not looking to spend more than a couple hundred dollars.
6 posted on 01/21/2012 10:19:15 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: FourPeas

Good selection of Kodaks here:

http://www.target.com/c/toys-kids-electronics-cameras/-/N-5xt9n

And here:

http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Point-Shoot-Cameras/2358/subcat.html?TID=VS:DigitalCam:A1


7 posted on 01/21/2012 10:20:23 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: illiac

Second link has other brands....


8 posted on 01/21/2012 10:21:22 AM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: FourPeas

As the son of a professional photographer, I grew up on manual film cameras and find that my Canon Power Shot G9 is a great little digital camera. You can shoot it full auto or manual, has dials just like the old film cameras to set F stops and shutter speed. You can probably get a used one for $150 or so.


9 posted on 01/21/2012 10:23:08 AM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: FourPeas

Im looking also, so I’ll keep an open eye on this thread.


10 posted on 01/21/2012 10:23:56 AM PST by hope
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To: BreezyDog

Around $200.


11 posted on 01/21/2012 10:25:41 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: FourPeas
I want a camera that he can use to actually learn about photography, not just use to take pictures.

Making every shot count helps. To achieve that, start him out with a fixed focus 35mm chemical film camera. The time and cost of film purchase, processing and limited number of exposures will make him consider each shot carefully. Also get him a flat bed scanner and get him started with photo editing software like GIMP.

After two years, move him up to a chemical film SLR. After two years of chemical film SLR photography, he should be ready for a DSLR.

12 posted on 01/21/2012 10:27:56 AM PST by fso301
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Get him a modern camera and Photoshop or other editing software. If that gets his interest, great, then he can read about film history and the way it was done when everybody walked to school barefoot in the snow, uphill both ways. Otherwise, you’ll put him at a disadvantage to his peers, which is what my parents did, and you don’t want him to turn out like me.


13 posted on 01/21/2012 10:29:09 AM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Thank you. Having enjoyed your photo threads, I highly value any input you can give me.


14 posted on 01/21/2012 10:29:59 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: FourPeas

Go with digital. Way cheaper for a learner and he will get instant results so he can correct and adjust while shooting.


15 posted on 01/21/2012 10:31:25 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: FourPeas
A lot of quality used cameras such as this can be found on EBay. Beginning with a single lens reflex that allows for adding lens capabilities as (if) his interest grows is a good start.
16 posted on 01/21/2012 10:32:11 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: kabumpo

Thanks, I’ll take a look at it.


17 posted on 01/21/2012 10:33:16 AM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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I’ve worked for over thirty years as a pro and must say that I believe you’re doing the right thing by having him learn the manual settings on a camera. Bravo!

I have had to sell my older cameras as they became obsolete (in a year!). That’s a good market to survey, because as your child learns more he’ll want a better camera.

Here’s a tip for his learning the real science of photography: a hand-held light meter. He will learn the difference between reflected and incident light. The exposure dial will show the various settings and he can select the effect he wants. When you understand lighting, you’re on your way to being a real photographer.


18 posted on 01/21/2012 10:33:58 AM PST by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: FourPeas
First, I'd go with digital over film. A lot easier and faster to learn from mistakes.
Sounds like you want a digital SLR, but your cost limitations rule them out.
Many "cheap" digital cameras have manual setting capability, along with all the other features.
As an example - Kodak EasyShare Z981 14.0 Megapixel Digital Camera (~ $200): Unfortunately, Kodak is in deep doo-doo but I wouldn't let that stop me from buying their products ... yet.
I do my research at Digital Photograpy Review. Check out the Forums for first hand feedback.
19 posted on 01/21/2012 10:34:46 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: FourPeas

Canon Rebel is a good beginner camera although it is kind of pricey. (north of $500)

My wife is getting pretty good with it. And if she can do it, anybody can (sorry honey, it’s true).

I just got her a Nikon Coolpix S90 because she wanted a point and shoot for her purse. Man, that thing takes AWESOME pictures even in low light. About $250.


20 posted on 01/21/2012 10:34:50 AM PST by hattend (If I wanted you dead, you'd be dead. - Cameron Connor)
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