Is this a fair question for Romney? What are your vows, promises and duties as Mormon bishop?

February 6, 2012 | Ralph Mitchell

[mitchell001]

If Gingrich, Santorum or Paul were deacons or ministers of Catholic or Protestant churches, they would certainly be asked what their vows, promises and duties were and will they conflict with the oath of President of the US. I am asking the readers first if this is a fair question for Romney, second has it been asked and answered before, and third if it hasn't been asked who will most likely have the opportunity to ask this question during the GOP primary process?

[Elsie]

Having studied cults for over twenty five years, you would be amazed at how uninformed the majority of people are.

Likewise...

Having studied the bible for over twenty five years, you would be amazed at how uninformed the majority of people who call themselves Christian are.

[magritte]

Sorry OO ! I was posting from phone..couldn’t link...here go...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2842625/posts?page=58#58

[magritte]

Yet you seem to care a LOT about what that dead NOAH was all about. Interesting.

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As I’ve said earlier, your “Old Testament” knowledge is really limited and you show shy away from it when you can. I’m all about what GOD said to Noah...his word to Noah, then his word to Moses for the Jews pretty well cover the entirety of Mankind and lays down all the rules...not interested in the false Christian prophets like Smith and the others...

[svcw]

Huh?
Joseph Smith was not a Christian prophet.
Joseph Smith was a Joseph Smith prophet.
There was nothing about Joseph Smith that was Christian.

[magritte]

Sorry. You guys argue over the nuances of “spirit brothers” and other such trivia, but as a non-Christian, all the Jesus believers are the same to me: Jewish apostates.

[AnTiw1]

Pseudo-Judaic Attention Whore Alert.

[magritte]

Newbie Retread Anti-Mormon Bozo Alert.

[AnTiw1]

A search of Maggie's posts is illuminating for all interested parties.

Sir, your 15 seconds of troll fame are up.

[svcw]

Anti-Christian Bozo Alert.

[Brad’s Gramma]

How many wives does the Good Bishop Rommey have? Anyone know???

[Elsie]

I’m all about what GOD said to Noah...his word to Noah, then his word to Moses for the Jews

And what criteria do you use to separate the TRUE words of the OT from the FALSE words of the NT?

[Elsie]

Not enough; according to MORMON scripture that is STILL in force!

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    OFFICIAL DECLARATION—1

To Whom It May Concern:

Press dispatches having been sent for political purposes, from Salt Lake City, which have been widely published, to the effect that the Utah Commission, in their recent report to the Secretary of the Interior, allege that plural marriages are still being solemnized and that forty or more such marriages have been contracted in Utah since last June or during the past year, also that in public discourses the leaders of the Church have taught, encouraged and urged the continuance of the practice of polygamy—

I, therefore, as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, do hereby, in the most solemn manner, declare that these charges are false. We are not teaching polygamy or plural marriage, nor permitting any person to enter into its practice, and I deny that either forty or any other number of plural marriages have during that period been solemnized in our Temples or in any other place in the Territory.

One case has been reported, in which the parties allege that the marriage was performed in the Endowment House, in Salt Lake City, in the Spring of 1889, but I have not been able to learn who performed the ceremony; whatever was done in this matter was without my knowledge. In consequence of this alleged occurrence the Endowment House was, by my instructions, taken down without delay.

Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise.

There is nothing in my teachings to the Church or in those of my associates, during the time specified, which can be reasonably construed to inculcate or encourage polygamy; and when any Elder of the Church has used language which appeared to convey any such teaching, he has been promptly reproved. And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.

WILFORD WOODRUFF
President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

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President Lorenzo Snow offered the following:

“I move that, recognizing Wilford Woodruff as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and the only man on the earth at the present time who holds the keys of the sealing ordinances, we consider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the Manifesto which has been read in our hearing, and which is dated September 24th, 1890, and that as a Church in General Conference assembled, we accept his declaration concerning plural marriages as authoritative and binding.”

The vote to sustain the foregoing motion was unanimous.

Salt Lake City, Utah, October 6, 1890.

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EXCERPTS FROM THREE ADDRESSES BY
PRESIDENT WILFORD WOODRUFF
REGARDING THE MANIFESTO

The Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as President of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that, the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty. (Sixty-first Semiannual General Conference of the Church, Monday, October 6, 1890, Salt Lake City, Utah. Reported in Deseret Evening News, October 11, 1890, p. 2.)

It matters not who lives or who dies, or who is called to lead this Church, they have got to lead it by the inspiration of Almighty God. If they do not do it that way, they cannot do it at all. . . .

I have had some revelations of late, and very important ones to me, and I will tell you what the Lord has said to me. Let me bring your minds to what is termed the manifesto. . . .

The Lord has told me to ask the Latter-day Saints a question, and He also told me that if they would listen to what I said to them and answer the question put to them, by the Spirit and power of God, they would all answer alike, and they would all believe alike with regard to this matter.

The question is this: Which is the wisest course for the Latter-day Saints to pursue—to continue to attempt to practice plural marriage, with the laws of the nation against it and the opposition of sixty millions of people, and at the cost of the confiscation and loss of all the Temples, and the stopping of all the ordinances therein, both for the living and the dead, and the imprisonment of the First Presidency and Twelve and the heads of families in the Church, and the confiscation of personal property of the people (all of which of themselves would stop the practice); or, after doing and suffering what we have through our adherence to this principle to cease the practice and submit to the law, and through doing so leave the Prophets, Apostles and fathers at home, so that they can instruct the people and attend to the duties of the Church, and also leave the Temples in the hands of the Saints, so that they can attend to the ordinances of the Gospel, both for the living and the dead?

The Lord showed me by vision and revelation exactly what would take place if we did not stop this practice. If we had not stopped it, you would have had no use for . . . any of the men in this temple at Logan; for all ordinances would be stopped throughout the land of Zion. Confusion would reign throughout Israel, and many men would be made prisoners. This trouble would have come upon the whole Church, and we should have been compelled to stop the practice. Now, the question is, whether it should be stopped in this manner, or in the way the Lord has manifested to us, and leave our Prophets and Apostles and fathers free men, and the temples in the hands of the people, so that the dead may be redeemed. A large number has already been delivered from the prison house in the spirit world by this people, and shall the work go on or stop? This is the question I lay before the Latter-day Saints. You have to judge for yourselves. I want you to answer it for yourselves. I shall not answer it; but I say to you that that is exactly the condition we as a people would have been in had we not taken the course we have.

. . . I saw exactly what would come to pass if there was not something done. I have had this spirit upon me for a long time. But I want to say this: I should have let all the temples go out of our hands; I should have gone to prison myself, and let every other man go there, had not the God of heaven commanded me to do what I did do; and when the hour came that I was commanded to do that, it was all clear to me. I went before the Lord, and I wrote what the Lord told me to write. . . .

I leave this with you, for you to contemplate and consider. The Lord is at work with us.

(Cache Stake Conference, Logan, Utah, Sunday, November 1, 1891. Reported in Deseret Weekly, November 14, 1891.)

 

 

 

Now I will tell you what was manifested to me and what the Son of God performed in this thing. . . . All these things would have come to pass, as God Almighty lives, had not that Manifesto been given. Therefore, the Son of God felt disposed to have that thing presented to the Church and to the world for purposes in his own mind. The Lord had decreed the establishment of Zion. He had decreed the finishing of this temple. He had decreed that the salvation of the living and the dead should be given in these valleys of the mountains. And Almighty God decreed that the Devil should not thwart it. If you can understand that, that is a key to it.

 

(From a discourse at the sixth session of the dedication of the Salt Lake Temple, April 1893. Typescript of Dedicatory Services, Archives, Church Historical Department, Salt Lake City, Utah.)

 

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What kind of  'Leadership' is THIS???

 

compared to...

 

 

 

 

Hebrews 11:35-40
 35.  Others were tortured and refused to be released, so that they might gain a better resurrection.
 36.  Some faced jeers and flogging, while still others were chained and put in prison.
 37.  They were stoned ; they were sawed in two; they were put to death by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated--
 38.  the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, and in caves and holes in the ground. 
 

 

or compared to...

 

Acts 4:19.  But Peter and John replied, "Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God's sight to obey you rather than God.

 

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So much for an 'Everlasting Covenant' that thundered out of Heaven!!!

 

Well; it DID last about 47 years!

 

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Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriage...

I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws..."

~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President

 

[svcw]

Probably dozens of celestial wives, since women can’t get into the celestial kingdom without their husbands permission, men get sealed so these poor women can go to the planet, be eternally pregnant and worship the guy that brung’em.
I wonder what happens if one women is sealed to more than one man even if by accident.

[Colofornian]

You guys argue over the nuances of “spirit brothers” and other such trivia, but as a non-Christian, all the Jesus believers are the same to me: Jewish apostates.

Hey, its the Mormons who claim to have the literal Zion blood coursing thru their veins...so I guess they and Jews can have a discussion about that "nuance," eh?

(Or we can just interpret all of your playing defense for the Mormons as an endorsement of that nuance, eh?)

[magritte]

Lol...there’s no Zion blood in the Mormons...I think that’s been objectively proven. I was referring more to the Christian mythology, not the easily disproved facts.

[Colofornian]

Lol...there’s no Zion blood in the Mormons...I think that’s been objectively proven. I was referring more to the Christian mythology, not the easily disproved facts

But we never see you call the Mormons on this...even though you regularly counter Christians on these threads. Why the discrepancy as to who you oppose if you disagree theologically?

[svcw]

All makes perfect sense your contempt for Jesus Christ (He seems to be the only issue).
http://www.noahide.com/minimum.htm

[svcw]

See my post #97, and the link.
Explains a lot, and Margi’s anti-Christian blather.

[Colofornian]

There is nothing secret about what a Bishop does, look it up on line.

Sorry...no sale...the Mormon church, when it put out its handbook for bishoprics, didn't willingly put those out for general distribution...one of the copies, it still doesn't...

ALL: See Handbook (LDS Church)

There's plenty in the handbook that's "secret...secret"...

(I'll post some of that later)

[Colofornian]

Obviously, people tend to vote for so-called "affinity" candidates. But that is true across the political spectrum

Lame. Of course they do. But not to the extreme Mormons do. In 2008, Mormons voted 94% for Romney in Utah...and 94-95% in Nevada. Last weekend, it was still 88% for Romney in Nevada caucus vote among Mormons...giving Romney the win given that up to 1/4th of GOP Nevada caucus voters were Lds.

A Pew study late in '11 found that Romney had at least an 86% approval rating among Mormons.

For last weekend's vote...here's where I got the 88% figure:

Per Pew Forum exit polling data: According to an analysis of the Nevada results by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, based on exit polls, former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney’s support among Mormons dropped slightly between 2008 and 2012 – from 95 percent to 88 percent. Romney captures 88% of Nevada Mormon vote