Obama's Citizenship

[Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri]

Could someone explain the issue of Obama's birth certificate? I've seen Sheriff Joe present findings that it is a forgery along with the selective service card. Then I recall Ann Coulter claiming "her paper," human events has debunked the "birther" nonsense, but I don't really bother reading her columns any longer preferring not to be insulted by "three cheers for Romneycare." I mean, is there really credible evidence that Obama is not a U.S. citizen because that would be huge..

[Yosemitest]

Are you sill trying to pass off that Obama hack, Don Wilkie, as a legitimate news reporter?
You can't be serious.

With just a minimum of research, anyone can find out that he's only wrote two articles in the "American Thinker",
both of them heavily defending the Kenyan Turd.
His theories have less proof, than I do. No, he's not credible.
I respect the American Thinker, but Don Wilkie only has two articles there.

I suspect Mr. Don Wilkie is noting but an Obama enabler, apologist, and his political operative.
The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF has forged ...yes, I said FORGED, as in FRAUD, FALSE, ...he has FORGED not one, not two, BUT THREE FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES.
And Don Wilkie wants to cite those FORGERIES for proof?
You can't be serious!
DiogenesLamp, you're destroying your own credibility, constantly promoting the Democrat hack, Don Wilkie, and exposing yourself as one who can't be trusted.

[DiogenesLamp]

Such efforts did not necessarily require her purported husband to be there when she did so.

Any theory which requires Ann to travel alone to Kenya is a non starter in my opinion. If Barack Sr didn't, go Ann certainly didn't go. It would take very good evidence to the contrary to persuade me otherwise.

Ann’s family may have helped to pay for her trip in the ultimately futile hopes that the Obama family would adopt and raise the child in the father’s Kenyan culture, with or without accepting the mother into the family.

I find no part of this suggestion reasonable from my perspective. What kind of mother would pay for her daughter's trip to an African nation where civil and racial unrest is prevalent? This notion strikes me as far fetched.

[DiogenesLamp]

Such efforts did not necessarily require her purported husband to be there when she did so.

Any theory which requires Ann to travel alone to Kenya is a non starter in my opinion. If Barack Sr didn't, go Ann certainly didn't go. It would take very good evidence to the contrary to persuade me otherwise.

Ann’s family may have helped to pay for her trip in the ultimately futile hopes that the Obama family would adopt and raise the child in the father’s Kenyan culture, with or without accepting the mother into the family.

I find no part of this suggestion reasonable from my perspective. What kind of mother would pay for her daughter's trip to an African nation where civil and racial unrest is prevalent? This notion strikes me as far fetched.

[DiogenesLamp]

Are you sill trying to pass off that Obama hack, Don Wilkie, as a legitimate news reporter? You can't be serious.

His arguments make sense. Arguments to the contrary do not. He basis his arguments on the available evidence, while arguments to the contrary are based on (sometimes far fetched) speculation.

If you take issue with his article, argue against the points he has presented, don't attack him and his motives.

With just a minimum of research, anyone can find out that he's only wrote two articles in the "American Thinker", both of them heavily defending the Kenyan Turd.

I don't have any familiarity with his other article, (I will go check it out.) but I don't regard his argument that the available facts don't support a Kenyan birth as "defending the Kenyan Turd."

His theories have less proof, than I do. No, he's not credible. I respect the American Thinker, but Don Wilkie only has two articles there.

What does THAT prove? William Lolli has only ONE article there, and it is a D@MN good one!

I have looked at the other article; "The Case Against Barack Obama, Sr." How do you get this as being a DEFENSE of Obama? If anything, he's pointing out that everything we've been told about Barack Obama Sr being the daddy is a LIE!

Attacking the Author of articles you don't like won't disprove his points. You need to attack his points directly.

I suspect Mr. Don Wilkie is noting but an Obama enabler, apologist, and his political operative. The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF has forged ...yes, I said FORGED, as in FRAUD, FALSE, ...he has FORGED not one, not two, BUT THREE FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES. And Don Wilkie wants to cite those FORGERIES for proof?

You are unfamiliar with my writing. I believe that long form birth certificate which Obama has released WAS CREATED by the state of Hawaii, and as such it represents what has been put INTO Obama's legal record. Yes, it's a forgery, but it is a LEGAL FORGERY created by the State of Hawaii under the order of a Judge. It is (I believe) a replacement birth certificate which was created for an adopted child. ( or otherwise a nullification of a previous adoption.)

If this theory is correct, then that document represents what the State of Hawaii regards as the legal truth, though it may not be the "actual truth."

DiogenesLamp, you're destroying your own credibility, constantly promoting the Democrat hack, Don Wilkie, and exposing yourself as one who can't be trusted.

You are not going to brow beat me into accepting the Kenyan birth theory by threatening not to "trust" me. You don't have to trust me. You can think whatever you want about me.

If you want me to accept the Kenyan birth theory, show me why this theory is correct, and other theories are wrong. At this point, all I see in support of the Kenyan birth theory is speculation, nothing tangible. Indeed, the tangible evidence makes the Kenyan birth theory look very unlikely in my opinion.

I am not closing the door on it, just saying it needs evidentiary support before it can be taken seriously.

[WhiskeyX]

The idea that Western women, even in 1961, would necessarily not travel to Kenya and other Third World destinations without a chaperon is a non-starter. Based on experience, I often traveled to such international destinations with unchaperoned women as seatmates. (chuckle) In one instance I was traveling in uniform and the lady next to me took it upon herself to cuddle in real close and go to sleep on my shoulder. The stewardess came by and asked if my wife needed anything. “uhh, no thank you,” I replied. While leaving the airport terminal at the destination, I was more than a little surprised to see her go up to her children and hugged her husband. Her hand had on a wedding ring that wasn't there aboard the flight....

Ann and her parents were committed members of the Communist Party USA, and she was living out her ideas of what it meant to be a good Communist. The idea that she would only travel to Kenya with a chaperon is exactly contrary to the spirit and life she was dedicated to follow. Telling her she could not and would not do so would have been tantamount to a dare she could not ignore. In later years, she lived in places such as Indonesia without a husband or other chaperons to accompany her on her travels. So, there is no evidence to indicate she did not and could not have done so as a rebellious 19 year old ideologue.

[x]

There is a lot that's fishy about Obama's background, but there's no real evidence he was born in Kenya. Ron McRae made the claim that when Sarah Obama said in her language that Barack was "a son of the village" that she was saying he was born there. Then he asks her if he was born in Mombasa, on the other side of the country.

There was much confusion surrounding her answer, but it's clear that if BO was born in the village he wasn't born in Mombasa and vice versa. McRae used slight of hand to make contradictory non-evidence look like two pieces of corroborated evidence to those who wanted to believe.

Travel to Africa was harder and rarer in those days. And if you were BHO, Sr. would you really want to take your White wife to meet your other (African) wife and your angry father who probably didn't much care for Whites, as he didn't seem to like anybody very much?

The natural born citizen thing has to do with interpretations more than anything else. It's by no means certain that the founders intended their words to be understood as the theorists claim, and it's unlikely that the courts would support their interpretation today.

[WhiskeyX]

On the contrary, attempts to revise the interpretations and recorded conversations fail, because there is evidenece and evidence of efforts to suppress and destroy evidence. For example, how do try to explain away the Kenyan National Security Intelligence Service bulletin announcing plans to build a cultural center at the Kenyan birthplace of President Barack Obama and his father's burial site?

[dinodino]

Your point #4 is false. Americans can and did travel to Pakistan. This is a myth that somehow keeps going.

[dinodino]

I’m very sorry that you have no principles. There are many of us, myself included, for whom voting is serious business.

Count me amongst those whom will not vote for a RINO.

[Yosemitest]

"His [Don Wilkie] arguments make sense. "

Only to the gullible. You can't trust a single word Obama says, without hard proof.
The route of THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF was given in post #34.

" Here's something to ponder.


I think it more likely that the trip from Kenya actually occurred in August 1961, shortly after BHO-II's birth at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa.

Ann and her newborn son flew from Nairobi to London, via BOAC Flight BA162 and then took the non-stop BOAC flight from London to Vancouver, Canada. She then traveled the 110 miles or so, across the border, to Seattle in time to start Fall Semester, night-school extension classes at the University of Washington.

The trip would be challenging for a new mother, but she was young, healthy, intelligent, and capable. BOAC was very accomodating to mothers with young children back in the 1960s. No real problem!
"

Are you supporting the theory that Barack Hussein Obama's grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, didn't know where she was, when she saw the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II?
Do you think the Kenyan Ambassador is a liar?
There's no need for me to restate the witnesses' testimony given in post #34.
There's Barack Hussein Obama II admitting he was Kenyan-born on Sunday, June 27, 2004, to the AP in the 2004 Senate Race.

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

[Yosemitest]

Here's more information on Obama's Kenyan birth.

AP declared Obama “Kenyan-Born”
John Charlton
The Post & Email
October 16, 2009

What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a “birther” news organization.

How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times, and which was, as of this report, available at
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm .

The AP reporter stated the following:
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

This report explains the context of the oft cited debate, between Obama and Keyes in the following Fall, in which Keyes faulted Obama for not being a “natural born citizen”
, and in which Obama, by his quick retort,
“So what? I am running for Illinois Senator, not the presidency”,
self-admitted that he was not eligible for the office.
Seeing that an AP reporter is too professional to submit a story which was not based on confirmed sources
(ostensibly the Obama campaign in this case),
the inference seems inescapable:
Obama himself was putting out in 2004, that he was born in Kenya.

The difficulty in finding this gem of a story is hampered by Google, which is running flak for Obama:
because if you search for “Kenyan-born US Senate” you wont find it,
but if you search for the phrase without quotes you will find links which talk about it.

For those who believe what they see, here is the screen capture of the page from the Kenyan Sunday Standard,
electronic edition, of June 27, 2004 — Just in case that page is scrubbed from the Web Archive:



Readers should take note that this AP story, was syndicated world-wide, so you should be able to find it in major newspapers, archived in libraries world-wide.
If any reader does this, please let The Post & Email know, so that we can publish a follow up-story.
You can scrub the net, but scrubbing libraries world-wide is not so easy.

[efoods] Hanen of Sentinel Blog Radio broke the public news of the existence of this AP story at on October 14, 2009 at 12:31 pm.
However, The Post & Email can confirm that a professional investigator had uncovered this story months ago,
and that certified and authenticated copies of this report, meeting Federal Rules of evidence,
have already been prepared and archived at many locations nationwide.

It should be noted that on January 8, 2006, the Honolulu Advertiser also reported that Barack Hussein Obama was born outside the United States.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334.html

A Chronology of Deceit

One can now ask an important question which has not yet been emphasized enough:
“Just when did Obama begin to publically claim he was born in Hawaii?”
This question is distinct from the question,
“Just where in fact was Obama born?”,
and from the other question,
“What do official documents say about where he was born?”

Regarding his claims, we can summarize what is known:

1. As of Monday, Aug. 28, 2006, Obama’s Campaign was putting out that he was born in Hawaii.
This is known from the introductory speech given by Prof. George A. O. Magoha, Vice-Chancellor of the University of Nairobi, on the occasion of a speech given there by Senator Obama that day.
(One presumes that the Vice-Chancellor was given notes from the Obama campaign, as is customary on such occasions)

2. From the newspaper reports above, it is clear that the Obama campaign was putting out that he was born in Kenya, or overseas,
during the period of June 27, 2004, until January 8, 2006.

3. In October of 2004, during the ABC Chicago Affiliate’s broadcast of the Obama-Keyes debates,
Obama openly admitted — he conceded — that he was not a natural born citizen.
(C-Span aired the uncut version of the debates, which contained this exchange, in the second half of April, 2005)

4. It is known from a classmate of Obama at Harvard University, that while at Harvard,
Obama at least on one occasion admitted that he was born in Kenya.
(This friend went on record on a call in radio program in Idaho in early July, 2009)

Yes Obama is ILLEGAL, as well as UNCONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED.
There were 8 attempts by Democrats to try to "Change the Qualification Rules" BEFORE Obama was elected.
They KNOW Obama's ILLEGAL ... AND .... UNQUALIFIED!

[tsomer]

Do that.

[tsomer]

I’m very sorry that you have no principles...

Friend, you've mislabeled that thing you claim to have and that I lack.

It's proper name is vanity.

You refuse to lift a finger while the entire country goes down-- because it affronts your principles? Those are some principles I can do without.

Yep, it really is vanity in your case.

[Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri]

Thank you, my problem was that I don’t tolerate anyone accusing me of being a “troll,” which to me is calling me a leftist troublemaker. I would describe myself as very conservative with some libertarian leanings. My problem with Romney is a very liberal track record on issues like abortion, the radical homosexual issue, global warming, judicial nominees, Romneycare, etc. Believe me, Obamunism is ushering in a socialism on a scale like FDR or LBJ, so I understand the importance of defeating Obama. My point is that we should not become so desperate as to take a liberal republican who, in my opinion, is ideologically on par with Bill Clinton. If Romney had a genuine conversion I might bite, but I fear the worst. Anyhow, I really overlooked the importance of Obama’s eligibility and this looks like a solid case.

[WhiskeyX]

The Democrats-Progressives-socialists-communists-whateverits have a political tactic in the elections in addition to their typical vote frauds. What they do is have a Democrat pretend to run for election as a Republican in the general primary election against a genuine Republican challenger who threatens to unseat an incumbent Democrat. In the general primary election they then instruct nearly all of the Democrat voters, their zombie voters in the graveyards, their captive nursing home voters, and voters in the prisons to vote as Republicans for the Democrat running as a Republican in the general primary election. Then the fake Republican candidate puts up a token campaign which loses to allow the Democrat incumbent to win the General Election in November. In this way the Democrats get to run only Democrats in the General Election, leaving no genuine Republicans for Conservatives to vote for in that election. Romney is represented as a former independent voter turned Republican, but he serves the same purpose as the typical Trojan Horse Democrat running for election as a Republican.

[Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri]

Thank you, thank you! This along the lines of how I feel because the republican establishment accepts the common criticism from the left that conservatives aren’t “electable.” It is totally the opposite. Take McCain’s 08 run, he refused to raise Obama’s ties to Ayerd or other radicals, he refused to tackle Obama’s black liberation theology, and McCain never had any fundamental policy differences..there’s no obvious distinction. Basically you had the most radical left wing senator running on his race versus a liberal republican with a lackluster campaign. Why do republicans have the burden of running “moderates” while Democrats can run hardcore leftists?

[Yosemitest]

Your analysis is very good on Republican Primaries being manipulated by RINOs, and mind-numb Democrats following marching orders from the left.

" The Democrats-Progressives-socialists-communists-whateverits have a political tactic in the elections in addition to their typical vote frauds.
What they do is
have a Democrat pretend to run for election as a Republican in the general primary election against a genuine Republican challenger
who threatens to unseat an incumbent Democrat.
In the general primary election they then instruct nearly all of the Democrat voters,
their zombie voters in the graveyards, their captive nursing home voters, and voters in the prisons
to vote as Republicans for the Democrat running as a Republican in the general primary election.
Then the fake Republican candidate puts up a token campaign which loses
to allow the Democrat incumbent to win the General Election in November.
In this way the Democrats get to run only Democrats in the General Election,
leaving no genuine Republicans for Conservatives to vote for in that election.
Romney is represented as a former independent voter turned Republican,
but he serves the same purpose as the typical Trojan Horse Democrat running for election as a Republican.

Very well described!
Maybe it's time we got some DINOs to copy this evil plan against Democrats.
But who would soil their name and credibility, to do such an evil thing against the real evildoers?

"Mitt, It's Time To Quit!"



Mitt. It’s time you quit!
Your credibility isn’t worth spit.
RINOs, the “Establishment”, and Democrats all agree,
But in the General Election, to Obama they’ll flee.
Against Obama, liberals and moderates know you’ll lose.
But conservatives, Romney they’ll never choose.

Mitt, our loyalty you can’t buy.
Back to Massachusetts, you’d better fly.
Just like Gerald Ford, Bob Dole, and John McCain,
Nominee Willard Mitt Romney will result in the same.
As a Governor, your record isn’t that great.
Out of 50 states, your popularity was number 48.

Your experience, the “Establishment” types tout.
Defending federal bailouts and FDIC loan forgiveness will find you out.
Democrats and RINOs cower from their liberal wives,
Supporting Romney with nothing but lies.
In 1994 Ted Kennedy showed Willard to be a great bane,
With Mitt’s Bain, and Bain Capital, Obama will do the same.

Damon Corp, with Romney paid $119 million in a fine.
Yet Willard says, for his leadership, it’s time.
He claims jobs he can create and taxes he can lower,
47th out of 50 in growth he rates. Can it get any slower?
$740.5 million dollars a year, fees and taxes under Mitt increased.
Will the half-truths and lies from Romney ever cease?

For Liberty and Freedom, we don’t need “Flakes”,
But Romney says Healthcare responsibilities belong to the States.
Conservatives stand for “Self-responsibility, Self-accountability, and Self-reliance.”
But against these things, Willard’s actions scream in defiance.
“Establishment Republicans” thinks Romney can help take back the Senate,
But they know that for President, Mitt can NOT win it.

Like everything the “Establishment Republicans” try to do,
It leads to failure, and we get the bill, as well as the screw.
In their corruption, little change do they seek,
They don’t want our Freedom to peak.
Their craving for power has pushed their bravery,
To ignore our Constitution, and sell us into economical slavery.

So Willard, don’t lecture us on the need for “patience” and “compromise”.
Romney, be selfless. Conservatism is on the rise.
Choosing the lesser of two evils, isn’t what we desire.
You let them rewrite the language. Where’s your fire?
Romney, they accuse us falsely, and you do little.
Where’s your response, or can you only twiddle?

Mitt, you don’t have what it takes to lead.
So with you I plead.
Do you really want to go from Obama-care to Romney-care?
With you, this nation will pull out its hair!
Go somewhere and quietly think … and sit.
“Know your own limitations!” Mitt. It’s time you quit!



By Yosemitest, Mar 15, 2012

[WhiskeyX]

“Maybe it’s time we got some DINOs to copy this evil plan against Democrats. But who would soil their name and credibility, to do such an evil thing against the real evildoers? “

According to Romney, he voted for a Democrat to carry out the same tactic against the Democrats. Does that make Romney a smart Conservative, or something a genuine Conservative will not do because of ethical issues?

[Yosemitest]

Here's one more piece of evidence, found from Kenyan Lawmaker: Obama Born In Kenya.

A Kenyan lawmaker has flatly stated in his parliament that US President Barack Obama was born in Africa and is therefore “not even native American.”

James Orengo, who is Kenyan minister of lands and a parliamentarian for the Ugenya constituency, made the statement during a floor debate about drafting a new constitution for the country.

“If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation,” Orengo argued, “how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?”

Orengo said the US is no longer “living in the past” since Americans elected a Kenyan-born president without regard to “ethnic consideration and objectives.”


The statements can be found in the Kenyan government’s official March 25, 2010, hansard – a traditional name for printed transcripts of a parliamentary debate – and shows that no other MPs mentioned or tried to correct Orengo’s comments about Obama.

Here's a copy of the Kenyan government’s official NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIAL REPORT, Thursday, 25th March, 2010.
In it, you on page 29 dated Thursday, 25th March, 2010(P). 1/3 of the way down from the top of page, you'll find speaking The Minister for Lands (Mr. Orengo):. Then skip down to page 31, the 2nd paragraph and on line 7 you'll find

If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation,
how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the President of America?
It is because they did away with exclusion.

Do you think Kenyan minister and parliamentarian James Orengo is a liar, also?

[Yosemitest]

It makes Romney someone we CANNOT trust!