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Obama's Citizenship

Posted on 03/21/2012 7:30:25 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Could someone explain the issue of Obama's birth certificate? I've seen Sheriff Joe present findings that it is a forgery along with the selective service card. Then I recall Ann Coulter claiming "her paper," human events has debunked the "birther" nonsense, but I don't really bother reading her columns any longer preferring not to be insulted by "three cheers for Romneycare." I mean, is there really credible evidence that Obama is not a U.S. citizen because that would be huge..


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To: DiogenesLamp

There isn’t a Washington BC for Obama.


101 posted on 03/22/2012 9:50:44 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

It would have been useful if some old copies of those Honolulu nespapers had been found in attics to confirm or deny the microfilm copies of those birth announcements.


102 posted on 03/22/2012 9:56:56 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: butterdezillion

It would have been useful if some old copies of those Honolulu nespapers had been found in attics to confirm or deny the microfilm copies of those birth announcements.


103 posted on 03/22/2012 9:57:11 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: butterdezillion

I think he was telling what he believed to be the truth originally, I think he recanted only after the consequences of what he had done came home to roost on him.


104 posted on 03/22/2012 9:59:08 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: butterdezillion
There isn’t a Washington BC for Obama.

I didn't suggest there was. I suggested there might be a Canadian birth certificate for Obama.

I don't know if you've kept up with it, but Both Ralph Dunham and Eleanor Berkibeile lived in Northwest Washington state. At some point Aunt Eleanor lived in Blaine Washington, which shares a boundary with the Canadian city of White Rock. There was no Hospital in Blaine in 1961, but there was a Hospital in White Rock Canada. If you were needing to deliver in Blaine, you had to go to White Rock Canada to do it in a hospital.

105 posted on 03/22/2012 10:04:41 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: WhiskeyX
It would have been useful if some old copies of those Honolulu nespapers had been found in attics to confirm or deny the microfilm copies of those birth announcements.

Someone has told me that copies of those old newspapers have been located. I have no actual knowledge of this myself, but that is what I have been told by another freeper.

106 posted on 03/22/2012 10:06:10 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: butterdezillion

What is the current status of the story about a birth record being discovered in British Columbia? I forget the version of name being discussed.

One of the scenarios to investigate was the possibility of Ann flying with the baby while unaccompanied by the father on a Kenyan birth certificate from Nairobi to London, Salisbury, and Vancouver BC using the child’s UK citizenship to pass customs, and then obtained a Canadian birth certificate and/or received the Hawaiian birth certificate obtained by Madelyn to pass the U.S. Customs at Blaine, Washington on the way to Seattle. Such scenarios would account for the rumors of the existence of multiple birth certificatesw for the child.


107 posted on 03/22/2012 10:08:00 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: DiogenesLamp

That would certainly be interesting to see.


108 posted on 03/22/2012 10:11:58 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: DiogenesLamp
The problem with that scenario is the postman's affadavit reporting Obama was presented to him and other people as an Indonesian foreign exchange student whose education was being financed by the parents of Bill Ayres. The forged Selective Service draft card also implies Obama had to know he was acting unlawfully. Even without the birth certificate or the natural born citizen issues, the forged draft card alone is enough to make Obama ineligible for the Office of the President.
109 posted on 03/22/2012 10:18:55 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
That would certainly be interesting to see.

That's what I said, but as of yet I haven't seen it. I cannot think of a legitimate reason to keep such a thing secret, therefore I expect it is not really true.

110 posted on 03/22/2012 10:19:53 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: WhiskeyX
One of the scenarios to investigate was the possibility of Ann flying with the baby while unaccompanied by the father on a Kenyan birth certificate from Nairobi to London, Salisbury, and Vancouver BC using the child’s UK citizenship to pass customs, and then obtained a Canadian birth certificate and/or received the Hawaiian birth certificate obtained by Madelyn to pass the U.S. Customs at Blaine, Washington on the way to Seattle. Such scenarios would account for the rumors of the existence of multiple birth certificatesw for the child.

I do not accept any theory requiring Stanley Ann traveling to Kenya (or anywhere else for that matter) unless someone can explain how Barrack Obama Sr could pay for such a thing. He was working in the pinapple cannery barely able to make enough money to feed himself and cover his bills, so I don't see him being able to afford transportation back and forth to Kenya. H3ll, he couldn't even afford his OWN passage to Hawaii in the first place!

Also, I don't think there was any customs check between Blaine and White Rock in 1961.

My thinking is that Stanley was sent to live with relatives in Northwest Washington to have her baby, and she took advantage of the free hospital across the border.

111 posted on 03/22/2012 10:27:22 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: WhiskeyX
The problem with that scenario is the postman's affadavit reporting Obama was presented to him and other people as an Indonesian foreign exchange student whose education was being financed by the parents of Bill Ayres. The forged Selective Service draft card also implies Obama had to know he was acting unlawfully. Even without the birth certificate or the natural born citizen issues, the forged draft card alone is enough to make Obama ineligible for the Office of the President.

I was referring to Mike Evans, not Barack Obama.

112 posted on 03/22/2012 10:30:01 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Texas Fossil

The two wings of the Government Party offer you the choice of a disorganized and self indulgent megalomaniac leftwing progressive, or the focused and self disciplined megalomaniac leftwing progressive. The organized one -will- accomplish more harm if elected.

Please! Please! please! A very big shout out to the conservative party and to the constitution party, Don’t even ask her just put Sarah Palin on the ballot for your party. That would greatly increase turnout, decrease Romney’s vote count and make the Democrat’s vote fraud more difficult. Considering the strength of those currently running, Palin should be a shoe in.


113 posted on 03/22/2012 10:45:45 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: DiogenesLamp

At this point just about anything is possible. We have no genuine records from anywhere, so anything that’s included on what we’ve seen could be fabricated, including birth place, birth date, and parents - all of which factor into presidential eligibility.

Until we get something genuine, we don’t even have a starting point on any of those 3 birth facts.


114 posted on 03/22/2012 10:48:34 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

You are in good company. I and many others will not vote for Obama’s understudy. Welcome to Free Republic.


115 posted on 03/22/2012 10:59:19 AM PDT by W. W. SMITH (Obama is Romney lite)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Are you suggesting that Ann was never even in Hawaii? Because for her to have not traveled anywhere, she would have had to just stay in Washington the whole time. But that would mean she never even met Barack Sr and so his finances would have nothing to do with anything.

The only other way for her to not have traveled anywhere would be if she moved to Hawaii with her parents and had the baby in Hawaii.

Unless she had the baby in HI she had to have traveled somewhere.

The HDOH manipulating records means we don’t know whether Ann and Sr were actually married. Seems like they were living at different addresses. In any event, the issue could be whether the DUNHAMS could afford to support Ann traveling - either to Washington or anywhere else.

And whether Sr’s parents could afford to send him various places. Remember how we heard initially that Sr’s father was a poor goat-herder, and then it turned out to be that his father was actually quite wealthy? Accepting financial aid doesn’t mean that a person can’t afford something - especially when the person in question is a communist.


116 posted on 03/22/2012 10:59:22 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion
Are you suggesting that Ann was never even in Hawaii?

Not at all. She was absolutely in Hawaii in 1960 because she is on record as having attended the University there. I am suggesting she was not in Hawaii prior to Barry's birth. I think she was in Northwest Washington, having been sent away to live with relatives to avoid the embarrassment of having a child both out of wedlock and with a black man. (Both No-nos in 1961.)

Because for her to have not traveled anywhere, she would have had to just stay in Washington the whole time. But that would mean she never even met Barack Sr and so his finances would have nothing to do with anything.

I am not suggesting that her mother could not afford to send her back to Washington to live with Relatives, I'm suggesting that Barack Sr could not afford to send her to Kenya, and her mother would have no believeable reason for doing so.

The HDOH manipulating records means we don’t know whether Ann and Sr were actually married. Seems like they were living at different addresses. In any event, the issue could be whether the DUNHAMS could afford to support Ann traveling - either to Washington or anywhere else.

I think the marriage is a sham. I think (barring further evidence) that Stanley Armour Dunham's best friend Frank Davis was boning Stanley's daughter behind Stanley's back. I think that when Stanley-Ann got pregnant, they had to cover up this relationship in the best way they could, with a stand in patsy (Barack Obama Sr.) to claim paternity.

I think Momma (Madelyn Dunham) sent Stanley-Ann to Washington State to have the baby and possibly give it up for adoption. (Mentioned in Barack Sr's immigration file.)

And whether Sr’s parents could afford to send him various places. Remember how we heard initially that Sr’s father was a poor goat-herder, and then it turned out to be that his father was actually quite wealthy? Accepting financial aid doesn’t mean that a person can’t afford something - especially when the person in question is a communist.

His letters (Barak Obama Sr.) back home indicate finances were a struggle for him. His Father HATED the notion of his Luo blood being mixed with that of an inferior White woman. The notion that ANYONE was willing to pay for a pleasure jaunt for Barrack Sr and Stanley Ann to go to Kenya is just silly in my mind.

Stanley Ann couldn't afford it, neither could Barack Sr, and those who COULD afford it had no sensible/believable reason for doing so.

117 posted on 03/22/2012 11:22:13 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Airlines were generally not allowed to sell a foreign citizen a oneway ticket, except under certain specific exceptions. Barack Obama Sr. normally would have been required to purchase a roundtrip ticket before coming to the United States. While it is true he did not have enough of his own money to afford that kind of travel, there are a number of possible scenarios in which someone else could have funded his travel, but not his other expenses.

I’ve known other people who spent thousands of dollars of other peoples’ money traveling between continents to satisfy the visa requirements to leave a nation after so mnay days or months, yet slept on other people’s living room couch because they could not afford an apartment or lodging.

It is unlikely that Ann would have traveled with Barack Obama Sr. or had her travel expenses paid by him. Supposedly Ann may have been trying unsuccessfully to (1) gain acceptance into the Kenyan Obama family and/or arrange for the child to be adopted by the Kenyan Obama family. Such efforts did not necessarily require her purported husband to be there when she did so.

Ann’s family may have helped to pay for her trip in the ultimately futile hopes that the Obama family would adopt and raise the child in the father’s Kenyan culture, with or without accepting the mother into the family.


118 posted on 03/22/2012 12:47:03 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: DiogenesLamp

If Ann was in love with Sr and pregnant, and both Ann and Madeyln thought that going to Kenya was the only way to get him to marry her, it would be a reason for Dunhams to pay the way.

I think that’s the scenario that Corsi has said his research supports.

I try not to get into the issues beyond the actual legal documentation so I’m not pushing any particular view and honestly have no idea what happened. But I don’t know that cost is necessarily prohibitive to any of the theories.


119 posted on 03/22/2012 1:10:07 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: TheOldLady

Sorry, I can’t really be bothered to remember the right title.


120 posted on 03/22/2012 1:30:36 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: DiogenesLamp
Are you sill trying to pass off that Obama hack, Don Wilkie, as a legitimate news reporter?
You can't be serious.

With just a minimum of research, anyone can find out that he's only wrote two articles in the "American Thinker",
both of them heavily defending the Kenyan Turd.
His theories have less proof, than I do. No, he's not credible.
I respect the American Thinker, but Don Wilkie only has two articles there.

I suspect Mr. Don Wilkie is noting but an Obama enabler, apologist, and his political operative.
The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF has forged ...yes, I said FORGED, as in FRAUD, FALSE, ...he has FORGED not one, not two, BUT THREE FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES.
And Don Wilkie wants to cite those FORGERIES for proof?
You can't be serious!
DiogenesLamp, you're destroying your own credibility, constantly promoting the Democrat hack, Don Wilkie, and exposing yourself as one who can't be trusted.

121 posted on 03/22/2012 1:44:58 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: WhiskeyX
Such efforts did not necessarily require her purported husband to be there when she did so.

Any theory which requires Ann to travel alone to Kenya is a non starter in my opinion. If Barack Sr didn't, go Ann certainly didn't go. It would take very good evidence to the contrary to persuade me otherwise.

Ann’s family may have helped to pay for her trip in the ultimately futile hopes that the Obama family would adopt and raise the child in the father’s Kenyan culture, with or without accepting the mother into the family.

I find no part of this suggestion reasonable from my perspective. What kind of mother would pay for her daughter's trip to an African nation where civil and racial unrest is prevalent? This notion strikes me as far fetched.

122 posted on 03/22/2012 2:09:10 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: WhiskeyX
Such efforts did not necessarily require her purported husband to be there when she did so.

Any theory which requires Ann to travel alone to Kenya is a non starter in my opinion. If Barack Sr didn't, go Ann certainly didn't go. It would take very good evidence to the contrary to persuade me otherwise.

Ann’s family may have helped to pay for her trip in the ultimately futile hopes that the Obama family would adopt and raise the child in the father’s Kenyan culture, with or without accepting the mother into the family.

I find no part of this suggestion reasonable from my perspective. What kind of mother would pay for her daughter's trip to an African nation where civil and racial unrest is prevalent? This notion strikes me as far fetched.

123 posted on 03/22/2012 2:09:36 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Yosemitest
Are you sill trying to pass off that Obama hack, Don Wilkie, as a legitimate news reporter? You can't be serious.

His arguments make sense. Arguments to the contrary do not. He basis his arguments on the available evidence, while arguments to the contrary are based on (sometimes far fetched) speculation.

If you take issue with his article, argue against the points he has presented, don't attack him and his motives.

With just a minimum of research, anyone can find out that he's only wrote two articles in the "American Thinker", both of them heavily defending the Kenyan Turd.

I don't have any familiarity with his other article, (I will go check it out.) but I don't regard his argument that the available facts don't support a Kenyan birth as "defending the Kenyan Turd."

His theories have less proof, than I do. No, he's not credible. I respect the American Thinker, but Don Wilkie only has two articles there.

What does THAT prove? William Lolli has only ONE article there, and it is a D@MN good one!

I have looked at the other article; "The Case Against Barack Obama, Sr." How do you get this as being a DEFENSE of Obama? If anything, he's pointing out that everything we've been told about Barack Obama Sr being the daddy is a LIE!

Attacking the Author of articles you don't like won't disprove his points. You need to attack his points directly.

I suspect Mr. Don Wilkie is noting but an Obama enabler, apologist, and his political operative. The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF has forged ...yes, I said FORGED, as in FRAUD, FALSE, ...he has FORGED not one, not two, BUT THREE FAKE BIRTH CERTIFICATES. And Don Wilkie wants to cite those FORGERIES for proof?

You are unfamiliar with my writing. I believe that long form birth certificate which Obama has released WAS CREATED by the state of Hawaii, and as such it represents what has been put INTO Obama's legal record. Yes, it's a forgery, but it is a LEGAL FORGERY created by the State of Hawaii under the order of a Judge. It is (I believe) a replacement birth certificate which was created for an adopted child. ( or otherwise a nullification of a previous adoption.)

If this theory is correct, then that document represents what the State of Hawaii regards as the legal truth, though it may not be the "actual truth."

DiogenesLamp, you're destroying your own credibility, constantly promoting the Democrat hack, Don Wilkie, and exposing yourself as one who can't be trusted.

You are not going to brow beat me into accepting the Kenyan birth theory by threatening not to "trust" me. You don't have to trust me. You can think whatever you want about me.

If you want me to accept the Kenyan birth theory, show me why this theory is correct, and other theories are wrong. At this point, all I see in support of the Kenyan birth theory is speculation, nothing tangible. Indeed, the tangible evidence makes the Kenyan birth theory look very unlikely in my opinion.

I am not closing the door on it, just saying it needs evidentiary support before it can be taken seriously.

124 posted on 03/22/2012 2:32:46 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
The idea that Western women, even in 1961, would necessarily not travel to Kenya and other Third World destinations without a chaperon is a non-starter. Based on experience, I often traveled to such international destinations with unchaperoned women as seatmates. (chuckle) In one instance I was traveling in uniform and the lady next to me took it upon herself to cuddle in real close and go to sleep on my shoulder. The stewardess came by and asked if my wife needed anything. “uhh, no thank you,” I replied. While leaving the airport terminal at the destination, I was more than a little surprised to see her go up to her children and hugged her husband. Her hand had on a wedding ring that wasn't there aboard the flight....

Ann and her parents were committed members of the Communist Party USA, and she was living out her ideas of what it meant to be a good Communist. The idea that she would only travel to Kenya with a chaperon is exactly contrary to the spirit and life she was dedicated to follow. Telling her she could not and would not do so would have been tantamount to a dare she could not ignore. In later years, she lived in places such as Indonesia without a husband or other chaperons to accompany her on her travels. So, there is no evidence to indicate she did not and could not have done so as a rebellious 19 year old ideologue.

125 posted on 03/22/2012 3:23:02 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
There is a lot that's fishy about Obama's background, but there's no real evidence he was born in Kenya. Ron McRae made the claim that when Sarah Obama said in her language that Barack was "a son of the village" that she was saying he was born there. Then he asks her if he was born in Mombasa, on the other side of the country.

There was much confusion surrounding her answer, but it's clear that if BO was born in the village he wasn't born in Mombasa and vice versa. McRae used slight of hand to make contradictory non-evidence look like two pieces of corroborated evidence to those who wanted to believe.

Travel to Africa was harder and rarer in those days. And if you were BHO, Sr. would you really want to take your White wife to meet your other (African) wife and your angry father who probably didn't much care for Whites, as he didn't seem to like anybody very much?

The natural born citizen thing has to do with interpretations more than anything else. It's by no means certain that the founders intended their words to be understood as the theorists claim, and it's unlikely that the courts would support their interpretation today.

126 posted on 03/22/2012 3:51:01 PM PDT by x
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To: x
On the contrary, attempts to revise the interpretations and recorded conversations fail, because there is evidenece and evidence of efforts to suppress and destroy evidence. For example, how do try to explain away the Kenyan National Security Intelligence Service bulletin announcing plans to build a cultural center at the Kenyan birthplace of President Barack Obama and his father's burial site?
127 posted on 03/22/2012 4:06:39 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Your point #4 is false. Americans can and did travel to Pakistan. This is a myth that somehow keeps going.


128 posted on 03/22/2012 4:10:52 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: tsomer

I’m very sorry that you have no principles. There are many of us, myself included, for whom voting is serious business.

Count me amongst those whom will not vote for a RINO.


129 posted on 03/22/2012 4:14:14 PM PDT by dinodino
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To: DiogenesLamp
Only to the gullible. You can't trust a single word Obama says, without hard proof.
The route of THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF was given in post #34. Are you supporting the theory that Barack Hussein Obama's grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, didn't know where she was, when she saw the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II?
Do you think the Kenyan Ambassador is a liar?
There's no need for me to restate the witnesses' testimony given in post #34.
There's Barack Hussein Obama II admitting he was Kenyan-born on Sunday, June 27, 2004, to the AP in the 2004 Senate Race.
130 posted on 03/22/2012 4:59:55 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Here's more information on Obama's Kenyan birth. Yes Obama is ILLEGAL, as well as UNCONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED.
There were 8 attempts by Democrats to try to "Change the Qualification Rules" BEFORE Obama was elected.
They KNOW Obama's ILLEGAL ... AND .... UNQUALIFIED!
131 posted on 03/22/2012 6:17:59 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

Do that.


132 posted on 03/22/2012 8:19:45 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: dinodino
I’m very sorry that you have no principles...

Friend, you've mislabeled that thing you claim to have and that I lack.

It's proper name is vanity.

You refuse to lift a finger while the entire country goes down-- because it affronts your principles? Those are some principles I can do without.

Yep, it really is vanity in your case.

133 posted on 03/22/2012 8:38:16 PM PDT by tsomer
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To: DiogenesLamp

Thank you, my problem was that I don’t tolerate anyone accusing me of being a “troll,” which to me is calling me a leftist troublemaker. I would describe myself as very conservative with some libertarian leanings. My problem with Romney is a very liberal track record on issues like abortion, the radical homosexual issue, global warming, judicial nominees, Romneycare, etc. Believe me, Obamunism is ushering in a socialism on a scale like FDR or LBJ, so I understand the importance of defeating Obama. My point is that we should not become so desperate as to take a liberal republican who, in my opinion, is ideologically on par with Bill Clinton. If Romney had a genuine conversion I might bite, but I fear the worst. Anyhow, I really overlooked the importance of Obama’s eligibility and this looks like a solid case.


134 posted on 03/22/2012 8:41:48 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri

The Democrats-Progressives-socialists-communists-whateverits have a political tactic in the elections in addition to their typical vote frauds. What they do is have a Democrat pretend to run for election as a Republican in the general primary election against a genuine Republican challenger who threatens to unseat an incumbent Democrat. In the general primary election they then instruct nearly all of the Democrat voters, their zombie voters in the graveyards, their captive nursing home voters, and voters in the prisons to vote as Republicans for the Democrat running as a Republican in the general primary election. Then the fake Republican candidate puts up a token campaign which loses to allow the Democrat incumbent to win the General Election in November. In this way the Democrats get to run only Democrats in the General Election, leaving no genuine Republicans for Conservatives to vote for in that election. Romney is represented as a former independent voter turned Republican, but he serves the same purpose as the typical Trojan Horse Democrat running for election as a Republican.


135 posted on 03/22/2012 8:59:58 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Thank you, thank you! This along the lines of how I feel because the republican establishment accepts the common criticism from the left that conservatives aren’t “electable.” It is totally the opposite. Take McCain’s 08 run, he refused to raise Obama’s ties to Ayerd or other radicals, he refused to tackle Obama’s black liberation theology, and McCain never had any fundamental policy differences..there’s no obvious distinction. Basically you had the most radical left wing senator running on his race versus a liberal republican with a lackluster campaign. Why do republicans have the burden of running “moderates” while Democrats can run hardcore leftists?


136 posted on 03/22/2012 9:23:23 PM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: WhiskeyX
Your analysis is very good on Republican Primaries being manipulated by RINOs, and mind-numb Democrats following marching orders from the left.

Very well described!
Maybe it's time we got some DINOs to copy this evil plan against Democrats.
But who would soil their name and credibility, to do such an evil thing against the real evildoers?


137 posted on 03/22/2012 9:24:56 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest

“Maybe it’s time we got some DINOs to copy this evil plan against Democrats. But who would soil their name and credibility, to do such an evil thing against the real evildoers? “

According to Romney, he voted for a Democrat to carry out the same tactic against the Democrats. Does that make Romney a smart Conservative, or something a genuine Conservative will not do because of ethical issues?


138 posted on 03/23/2012 12:23:44 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: DiogenesLamp
Here's one more piece of evidence, found from Kenyan Lawmaker: Obama Born In Kenya.

Here's a copy of the Kenyan government’s official NATIONAL ASSEMBLY OFFICIAL REPORT, Thursday, 25th March, 2010.
In it, you on page 29 dated Thursday, 25th March, 2010(P). 1/3 of the way down from the top of page, you'll find speaking The Minister for Lands (Mr. Orengo):. Then skip down to page 31, the 2nd paragraph and on line 7 you'll find
Do you think Kenyan minister and parliamentarian James Orengo is a liar, also?
139 posted on 03/23/2012 12:35:21 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: WhiskeyX

It makes Romney someone we CANNOT trust!


140 posted on 03/23/2012 12:37:11 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest
Redoing image of James Orengo, who is Kenyan minister of lands and a parliamentarian for the Ugenya constituency.
141 posted on 03/23/2012 12:49:07 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: WhiskeyX
Telling her she could not and would not do so would have been tantamount to a dare she could not ignore. In later years, she lived in places such as Indonesia without a husband or other chaperons to accompany her on her travels. So, there is no evidence to indicate she did not and could not have done so as a rebellious 19 year old ideologue.

Money.

142 posted on 03/23/2012 6:10:54 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Yosemitest; butterdezillion
Are you supporting the theory that Barack Hussein Obama's grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, didn't know where she was, when she saw the birth of Barack Hussein Obama II?

I am supporting the theory that she didn't understand the question, and the guy asking it didn't understand her answer. I have NEVER put stock in the so-called pronouncements of Grandma Sarah. I've heard the tape. The Question was leading and misleading at the same time, specifically calculated to get her to say something that can be interpreted as Barack having been born in Kenya.

Do you think the Kenyan Ambassador is a liar?

No, I think he doesn't know what he's talking about. I think he is just repeating what he's heard.

There's no need for me to restate the witnesses' testimony given in post #34.

I don't know what witness to whom you are referring, but I saw nothing I regard as credible. Hearsay means nothing.

There's Barack Hussein Obama II admitting he was Kenyan-born on Sunday, June 27, 2004, to the AP in the 2004 Senate Race.

It is my belief that Barack continuously said or insinuated that he was from Kenya, up until he started running for President, and someone who was not as ignorant and stupid as he was informed him that if he wasn't born in the United States, he couldn't run for President. After that, he dropped the "I was born in Kenya" bullsh*t and started claiming he was born in Hawaii.

I personally think he used the "I'm from Kenya" shtick to make himself seem more exotic and appealing to his constituents. It's not the first time someone lied about their origins for their advantage.

I believe butterdezillion has posted on this phenomena. At one point Barack was claiming he was from Kenya, but after 2006, he stopped doing that. Am I right about this Butter?

Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate

Yes, i'm very familiar with it. I have argued with obots endlessly about how he originally claimed to be from Kenya, and this is why everyone THOUGHT he was from Kenya. The master of Lying was lying... Again.

143 posted on 03/23/2012 6:29:37 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Yosemitest
I'm familiar with all of that. None of it is Proof. Barack had been saying he was from Kenya for years. That people should believe him and repeated it is to be expected.

My position is that we don't know WHERE he is from, because we haven't seen anything that can be regarded as actual proof. The Kenyan birth theory is the longest long shot of the entire group we have to choose from, and the evidence of which I am familiar argues against it.

Again, you come up with something other than "hearsay" and I will certainly be glad to look at it. Till then, I will regard the "Kenyan birth theory" as very unlikely.

144 posted on 03/23/2012 6:35:49 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
Thank you, my problem was that I don’t tolerate anyone accusing me of being a “troll,” which to me is calling me a leftist troublemaker. I would describe myself as very conservative with some libertarian leanings. My problem with Romney is a very liberal track record on issues like abortion, the radical homosexual issue, global warming, judicial nominees, Romneycare, etc. Believe me, Obamunism is ushering in a socialism on a scale like FDR or LBJ, so I understand the importance of defeating Obama. My point is that we should not become so desperate as to take a liberal republican who, in my opinion, is ideologically on par with Bill Clinton. If Romney had a genuine conversion I might bite, but I fear the worst. Anyhow, I really overlooked the importance of Obama’s eligibility and this looks like a solid case.

I understand completely. If we are going to get someone who will implement the same policies as Obama, but just do them more slowly to make them palatable, then what we need is a double dosing force feed of Obama to make the nation retch therapeutically.

The poison needs to be expelled, not taken in smaller doses.

I have long thought that I would prefer a Liberal Democrat to a Liberal Republican, because at least the blame will fall where it needs to when everything predictably goes to Hell.

145 posted on 03/23/2012 6:44:37 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Yosemitest
Do you think Kenyan minister and parliamentarian James Orengo is a liar, also?

Unless you can demonstrate that he was present at Barry's birth, and has first hand knowledge of what he is talking about, I can only presume that he is repeating the same crap Obama was selling for most of his career.

The source of all these statements and confusion begins with the master of lies. Obama lied, and people have been repeating it ever since.

146 posted on 03/23/2012 6:47:23 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Responding to Posts #143, #144, and #146, I can only say
I understand what you have written, and see no further reason to present you with facts.
I guess someone could show you photos or a home movie of Obama, the newborn, being held by his mother, with his father behind him, at the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, and you'd have an excuse for that also?
How about a BOAC Passenger Manifest from Vancouver, Canada, with Barack Hussein Obama, Stanley Ann Obama, and infant, listed on it,
or maybe a canceled BOAC ticket from Nairobi to London, with a connecting flight from London to Vancouver, Canada in their names.
No, you wouldn't believe that either.
147 posted on 03/23/2012 12:31:00 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

OPM (Other People’s Money).

It appears the Certificate of American Citizenship recorded by the U.S. Consular officer with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) may ultimately support the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Kenya to a single U.S. parent in or about August 1961. So, it appears quite possible for the teenage future anthropologist to give birth in Kenya and fly home with the baby.


148 posted on 03/24/2012 4:17:02 AM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Yosemitest
I understand what you have written, and see no further reason to present you with facts.

You have yet to present any "facts." Hearsay is not "facts." It's utter crap.

I guess someone could show you photos or a home movie of Obama, the newborn, being held by his mother, with his father behind him, at the Coast General Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya, and you'd have an excuse for that also?

Such evidence would be perfectly acceptable. It would not be "hearsay", it would be actual evidence. Do you have some "actual" evidence?

How about a BOAC Passenger Manifest from Vancouver, Canada, with Barack Hussein Obama, Stanley Ann Obama, and infant, listed on it, or maybe a canceled BOAC ticket from Nairobi to London, with a connecting flight from London to Vancouver, Canada in their names.

That would be fantastic. Such a thing would be very difficult to refute. In fact, a man has claimed to have discovered such information, and yet it is still mysteriously not available. If you have such information, I assure you that would move me over to your side.

Telling me about what unsubstantiated rumors keep getting repeated in Africa is just unhelpful. The Birth in Kenya theory is very unlikely, Not impossible, but very very unlikely. Till something comes out to make it more plausible, I will have to regard the idea as far fetched.

No, you wouldn't believe that either.

You aren't going to insult or brow beat me into believing the theory you wish to believe. If you can't present good evidence, then you needn't be surprised that people don't accept your theory.

MOST people with whom I speak on this subject think the Kenyan birth theory is nothing but kook territory, right up there with UFOs, the Kennedy Assassination and Fake moon landings. *I* am at least willing to consider it, but not on the basis of crap evidence.

Show how it was paid for, show a passenger manifest, or show a video of Stanly in Kenya, and you've got something. Tell me what the non-english speaking grandmother answered to a leading question, or regale me with the latest rumors out of a third world backwater, and you've got nothing.

149 posted on 03/24/2012 1:02:05 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: WhiskeyX
OPM (Other People’s Money).

It appears the Certificate of American Citizenship recorded by the U.S. Consular officer with the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) may ultimately support the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Kenya to a single U.S. parent in or about August 1961. So, it appears quite possible for the teenage future anthropologist to give birth in Kenya and fly home with the baby.

I know of no such document. Were such a document to be brought forth (and verified to be legit) then it would definitely boost the theory that Barack Obama II was born in Kenya. Should such a document come forth, I would be very concerned about it being a fabrication, as have so far been other documents coming out of Kenya.

If it is in US Government files, then I won't doubt it's credibility. Do you know of such a document?

150 posted on 03/24/2012 1:07:00 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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