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Battleship Texas taking on extraordinary amounts of water
KENS5 ^ | June 12, 2012 | Drew Karedes

Posted on 06/12/2012 3:51:05 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

Crews have been working 24-hour days to keep up with extraordinary amounts of water leaking on board Battleship Texas.

The historic ship, which just turned 100 years old in May, is only one of six remaining that served in both World War I and World War II.

The ship manager says crews noticed the unusual amount of water coming on board sometime on Saturday. Since then, workers have been at it day and night just trying to keep up.

A number of pumps have been brought to the site as the water is being directed back out into the channel. Staffers with Texas Parks and Wildlife, volunteers, a separate contractor and a salvage diving company have teamed up to take on this task.

There’s a big concern about oil getting into the channel. That’s why there is a boom placed near the ship, essentially collecting any excess oil that might leak out.

Workers are also trying to scoop the oil out of the lower portions of the ship. It is then being filtered out through pumps.

The goal is to have this fixed by Wednesday and to make sure no other leaks pop up.

“We’re dealing with a 100-year-old vessel…so you’re dealing with something that wasn’t designed to last this long. We think we can probably manage a patch, a repair on it, but this is always a concern that this could sprout up again in a different place,” said Andy Smith, the Ship Manager of Battleship Texas.

The ship manager said the lower portions of the ship have been closed to the public. People have still been allowed on board the second deck and above.

“We got a lot of hoses working and pumps working, and we don’t want to create a situation where someone might slip on some water,” explained Smith.

Workers still have not been able to pinpoint exactly where the leak is located. They are still working day and night to deal with the water that is coming on board.

For years, there’s been a plan in the works to dry dock the ship for a multi-million-dollar renovation. The ship manager said coming up with that amount of money has proved challenging, and they’re in desperate need of donors to step in and help out.


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: battleshiptexas; navalhistory; sanjacinto; texas; usnavy
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To: Paleo Conservative
The Saratoga (CV-3) was capable of 33 knots. Only the Iowa Class of battleships were capable of keeping up with the carrier fleet.

The first carriers were battleships WITHOUT their fighting superstructure. No? No big guns, no massive belt and deck armour, would result in a lighter ship with the same power plants. Add planes and support materiel, it probably still results in a lighter OAW. No wonder they were faster.

The Iowa class ships were all the more impressive.

81 posted on 06/14/2012 3:15:42 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting
The first carriers were battleships WITHOUT their fighting superstructure. No?

No.

The Lexington and Saratoga were converted from incomplete battlecruiser (CC) hulls, after the class was cancelled under the terms of the Naval Treaty. Battlecruisers were big-gun ships that sacrificed the armor of Battleships for speed. Great in concept, but between Jutland and HMS Hood seen as not so good in practice.

The Lexingtons' speed as CVs was the same as it would have been had they been completed as intended as CCs.

The pre-WWII "fast battleship" classes of North Carolina and South Dakotas had top speeds in the high-20 knots. They could not keep up with the CVs at flank speed, but the CVs rarely operated (at least continuously) at flank. So despite their "slower" speed the six BBs of those two classes ended up performing yeoman service as anti-aircraft escorts for the fleet carriers.

Even during the "Battle of Bull's Run" during Leyte Gulf, when Halsey went charging off after the Japanese decoy carriers, he kept the "slower" fast-BBs with him. The result was the famous "WHERE IS RPT WHERE IS TASK FORCE THIRTY FOUR RR THE WORLD WONDERS" message from Nimitz, wondering where TF34, centered on the Battleships Washington, Alabama, Iowa and New Jersey, was.
82 posted on 06/14/2012 4:35:21 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
Tanks, tanknetter. I appreciate the correction.

TF34 must have been impressive group.

83 posted on 06/14/2012 4:49:41 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting
The first carriers were battleships WITHOUT their fighting superstructure. No?

The first US carrier was the Langley (CV-1) was a converted collier (coal refueling ship). The Lexington (CV-2) and Saratoga (CV-3) were converted from battlecruiser hulls after the naval conferences in the 1920s. Battlecruisers had the same large guns as battleships, but they sacrificed armor protection to gain speed. They couldn't take hits from comparably armed enemy ships.

84 posted on 06/14/2012 5:32:59 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: nonsporting
TF34 must have been impressive group.

It was. On paper anyways.

BB 56 - Washington
BB 60 - Alabama
BB 62 - New Jersey
BB 61 - Iowa
CA 45 - Wichita
CA 32 - New Orleans
CL 64 - Vincennes
CL 89 - Miami
CL 80 - Biloxi
DD 539 - Tingey
DD 536 - Owen
DD 535 - Miller
DD 537 - The Sullivans
DD 673 - Hickox
DD 674 - Hunt
DD 675 - Lewis Hancock
DD 676 - Marshall
DD 651 - Cogswell
DD 650 - Caperton
DD 652 - Ingersoll
DD 653 - Knapp
DD 392 - Patterson
DD 386 - Bagley

85 posted on 06/14/2012 8:47:55 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Paleo Conservative
Battleships vs Battlecruisers

I found this informative article contrasting the classes and explianing the development. I hadnt realized that the Hood was a refitted battlecruiser, her explosion illustrating her origin.

86 posted on 06/14/2012 8:52:18 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: WMarshal

Heck, the way things are going they might not have to move her at all to do it.


87 posted on 06/14/2012 9:30:21 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: tanknetter
“While the predreadnoughts were definitely obsolescent, they were scrapped under the terms of the first post WWI naval treaty.”

The Naval Limitations Treaty — terms of which were basically drawn up between the United States and United Kingdom — “forced” the United States to do what we planned to do anyway. Several pre-dreadnoughts had been scrapped before the treaty was even negotiated, and the Navy planned to scrap the rest. A few were kept as monuments (notably Oregon), or auxiliaries (notably Kearsarge, converted to a crane ship), and a few demilitarized and kept as barracks ship (Illinois). Some had even been disposed of prior to WWI (Idaho and Mississippi — sold to Greece — among them).

But the Navy wanted them gone, regardless of the treaty. Similarly, all of the dreadnought battleships built prior to WWI were discarded immediately after WWII, with only the 2nd-generation dreadnoughts launched after WWI retained.

88 posted on 06/15/2012 5:17:20 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: nonsporting
The Iowa class battle ships were similar to to battle cruisers in that they were not armored heavily enough to withstand hits from comparably armed battleships. That wasn't a fault of the designers so much as a limitation that the Iowa class had to be small enough to travel through the Panama canal. The Iowa class could fit with just a few inches to spare.

There were plans to build the Montana class of battleships that would be protected with enough armor to take hits from 16" guns, and it would have had 4 turrets with 12 guns total, but it would have been too large to transit the Panama canal. The Montana class was put on hold in May 1942 due to the ship yards where they were to be produced being occupied building Iowa class battleships and Essex class aircraft carriers. The entire Montana class was canceled in July 1942 after the battle of Midway demonstrated that the concept was already obsolete.

From the source you linked.

One supposed distinguishing factor between the classifications of battleship and battlecruiser is that the former can resist the effects of guns similar to those it carries, at least in the "citadel" where armor protection is concentrated, so that a duel between battleships becomes a slugging match. This is known as a balanced design. However, the resistance to shells depends more on the state of the delicate balance between offense and defense which exists at the time a ship is designed than it does on overall design philosophy. The Iowa class battleships had excellent armor protection, but would have been considered under-armored against an opponent with guns equivalent to their own. However, the Iowas were true battleships. They just happened to have what were probably the best (though not the biggest) large naval guns ever deployed. Those guns were very accurate, had very good range and the armor piercing shells they fired were very good at their job.

89 posted on 06/15/2012 11:12:53 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: nonsporting

Photo of the Montana class model.


90 posted on 06/15/2012 11:23:13 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative

I always found it rather ironic (and appropriate) that the last battleship-on-battleship engagement of the war (Surigao Strait) involved most of the surviving battleships from the Pearl Harbor raid.


91 posted on 06/15/2012 12:50:42 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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Revived this old thread because tomorrow August 31 the Battleship Texas will be moving. She is being moved from San Jacinto to Galveston for repairs. Even if she is just being towed it will be a chance to see a WWI dreadnought moving on the water, don’t get many of those. Event will be live streamed. More info here
https://battleshiptexas.org/departure/


92 posted on 08/30/2022 12:32:09 PM PDT by nomorelurker
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