Posted on 06/12/2012 5:13:18 PM PDT by LouAvul
Drunk is not defined by any rational or biblical standard. It is defined by those who want to control your life..
Noah wasn’t sinless but his DNA wasn’t tainted by Niphilim.
Man, that is so true.
I had an opportunity to visit Italy, Greece and Turkey last year. My young granddaughter cam with me, every place that I ordered wine, I was asked if she would like some as well. the wine is diluted with water. In Sicily, I asked them about that request and was told the water tasted terrible and it was a way to cover the cost. We talked about issues with public drunkenness or kids having issues and was told there was none.
In Greece I ordered Ouzo and no they did not offer her that, POWERFUL stuff.
Brilliant! and BRAVO!
If you are an artist (most of us are but seldom realize it) a light alcohol buzz (a couple of drinks) with a small hit of green bud (weed) can do interesting things to one's art. Weed is a spiritual ingredient that can be utilized to good effect in an artistic way. Taken with alcohol one must first realize that the effect will be to magnify the 'buzz' one gets from drink, so, go lightly.
Not sure I'd want a heart surgeon working under these conditions but painters, sculptors, and musicians might benefit from the 'attention' that comes from such a state. I play music but I'd like to try painting. What I'd expect to gain from stepping away from 'normal' might be things like brush-strokes and color which are endless and which the Masters have set the bar high enough nobody's getting there without serious study and effort.
In music, I've found it easier to blow through ceilings or plateaus that inevitably block my progress to something desired. You can do it without 'lubing' and that may be preferred (no sin, baby). But, if you've got to build a yacht that has to hold two-of-everything, anything that might help you blow-through obstacles could come in handy- especially if it's never been done before.
PS. No powders, pills, or dots in my travels. Getting back to Nature doesn't include wearing a Jet Pack.
Looking at Ecclesiastes, and knowing there is nothing new under the sun; I would say they used the same way that we do today.
I think you nail it right there . . . I might add, stop short of endangering yourself and others.
I agree. The first time I drank, I was abusing it along with friends who were abusing it. My father gew up around alcoholic family members, became a minister, and towed a near-tee-totaler line . . . but NEVER preached total abstinance. His great-grandmother was a Cherokee Indian, which may have contributed to the alcohol intolerance. Has not been a problem with me or my brother.
I violated the law and taught my the underage sons by example how to use it responsibly and under control. The oldest now barely drinks by choice and the youngest seems to keep it under control, but he is just 24 and at a prime abuse age.
My understanding of the many verses on the subject is that you may drink, but you shouldn’t get drunk.
Everyone’s tolerance to alcohol is different, and even one person’s tolerance is different at different times, so you aren’t going to find any absolute standard as to what “drunk” means. The Bible doesn’t focus on physical things like BAC, though, it focuses on spiritual things, so I think it’s a safe standard to say that “drunk” in the Bible means spiritually impaired. If you drink so much that it may cause you to stray spiritually, then I’d say you are drunk in the Biblical sense. If you cannot draw that line, or stop yourself from crossing it, then you probably should not drink at all.
There are also verses in the New Testament which enjoin Christians to refrain from activities which, although we may be responsible enough to engage in, would tempt others who are weaker into sin. I think alcohol falls into that category, so you probably do not want to drink with people who cannot refrain from getting drunk themselves, since you are encouraging them to sin. I think this is the reason some churches advise people to completely refrain from drinking.
So maybe it was beer or distilled spirits.
This was a serious question, and you’re all making light of it???
Isa 5:11 ¶Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, [that] they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, [till] wine inflame them!
Jer 25:27 ¶Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.
At the wedding feast at Cana, did Jesus tell His mother that He was not going to contribute to the drunkeness & revelry of the evening?
Instead, He turned water into wine and the chief steward (head caterer in modern terms) called the bridegroom over and essentially chewed him out for wasting this fine wine (unknown to him miraculous) on guests who were already mostly drunk & unable to appreciate the best wine normally served first.
My teetotalling fundamentalist coworkers insist that Christ would never, ever, turn water into something that might cause scandal and that it must have been grape juice which is their definition of the Bibilical term “new wine”. Since I’m Catholic they naturally assume I’m a drunk & looking for divine excuses for the taking of strong drink.
Oh, well.
It seems as though Scripture teaches us that we basically know when we are drunk.
As a matter of civil penalty, like for drunk driving, if we want to punish it, we have to set a level like the .08.
But for moral purposes, the assumption seems to be, we know when we are drunk. I imagine the blood alcohol level would vary at least slightly with each person.
I’d venture to say that if you are drinking, and start to feel like you are getting drunk, so then you stop, you are probably keeping God’s word.
And when people tell you you’re drunk, and you argue with them that you’re not, then you are really drunk!
“Jer 25:27 ¶Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.”
That is a curse, not a commandment.
I am not advocating teetotalism, but your quoting of that verse is out of context.
***I am not advocating teetotalism, but your quoting of that verse is out of context.***
I know that. If they weren’t drunk they might see the sword of judgement coming.
There is also this one from post 53.
Isa 5:11 ¶Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, [that] they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, [till] wine inflame them!
And this one..
Rth 3:7 And when Boaz had eaten and drunk, and his heart was merry, he went to lie down at the end of the heap of corn: and she came softly, and uncovered his feet, and laid her down.
Rth 3:8 ¶And it came to pass at midnight, that the man was afraid, and turned himself: and, behold, a woman lay at his feet.
Oops. Too late.
You know nothing about me or my reasons for asking.
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