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Crazy Ed: "There's no excuse for any American to have a semi-automatic weapon"
Fox News Channel (no link) | 7/22/12 | Rendell

Posted on 07/22/2012 2:28:13 PM PDT by pabianice

Ed Rendell on Fox remarking on the Colorado shooting. The gunman had an "automatic assault weapon that fired a hundred rounds without reloading" and "he only stopped using it when it jammed" and "it was only the cowardice of Congress that allows these assault weapons to be available to the public."

Crazy Ed: just ranting the vote-losing idiocy that Liberals won't say for themselves before an election.


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To: Las Vegas Ron
I dunno, I prefer kill rounds and as many as I can load and have available.
Then forget about shot. Slugs are the surest way to get that. Not much stands up to slugs.
Again, JMO.
81 posted on 07/22/2012 5:15:16 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Okay, where's the "that's racist kid"
1600 Penn. Ave, DC
82 posted on 07/22/2012 5:17:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Then forget about shot. Slugs are the surest way to get that. Not much stands up to slugs.

I hear that, but in a dark house while maybe still shaking off some sleepiness, would a little spread be a good thing?

A slug requires a definitive hit....but otoh, any hit would be quite debilitating and shocking to the perp.

A lot to consider for a unique situation, I hope and pray neither you or I have to face it.

I guess the best plan is a general one, loads that take all into account and address them in the best, most effective way in a general scenario.

83 posted on 07/22/2012 5:24:09 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: philman_36
1600 Penn. Ave, DC

LOL!!!

Gotta run FRiend, take care....still loling....

84 posted on 07/22/2012 5:26:18 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: pabianice

Then Ed should step up and disarm his security detail.

Then I’ll listen to him talk about cowardice.


85 posted on 07/22/2012 5:29:09 PM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Las Vegas Ron
I hear that, but in a dark house while maybe still shaking off some sleepiness, would a little spread be a good thing?
That's why I suggested a variety of rounds with increasing lethality. I wouldn't even bother with bird shot. Buckshot (2-3) and slugs (remainder).

A lot to consider for a unique situation, I hope and pray neither you or I have to face it.
Yes, it is and nor do I.

I guess the best plan is a general one, loads that take all into account and address them in the best, most effective way in a general scenario.
Being mentally prepared is a big step. Even though you don't want to have to think about it you must.

86 posted on 07/22/2012 5:36:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: trapped_in_LA
Actually there is no reason for cops to have anything more than a revolver and a pump action shotgun. Anything more than that is just encouraging them to act in an irresponsible way which we have no end of examples thanks to the internet.

Well, I always believed that if there is such a law, then no one should be allowed, that includes police and military too. We might have to reissue the old M1903's and Krag rifles.
87 posted on 07/22/2012 5:38:04 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Gotta run FRiend, take care
You too, FRiend.

....still loling....
/lounge lizard {;^)

88 posted on 07/22/2012 5:42:11 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

There is an excuse for an American having a semi-automatic weapon. I want one to protect myself, my family, and anyone else who may need my help in protecting them. And, it’s my right to have one. That’s all the excuse one needs.


89 posted on 07/22/2012 5:48:38 PM PDT by evangmlw
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To: philman_36

Looks a lot like a Mossberg 500 a very good friend of mine has, 12 ga, 20 inch barrel, but with a sling that comes across the belly and around the elbow of the triggering arm to help control and absorb the recoil. Works well with 00 buck and slugs. His preference is to alternate the two. I have fired it numerous times. A perp coming through the front door doesn’t have a chance.

Eighteen years ago I spent a weekend dove hunting with a borrowed 12 ga. I had a very painful shoulder after that weekend. But we went through several boxes of shells. It was definitely an over-dose of 12 ga. Mind you that was my first experience hunting, and before that I had never fired a 12 ga.


90 posted on 07/22/2012 5:54:40 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: pabianice

Well, Crazy Eddie, I have a couple. Are you crazy enough to come take them.......PERSONALLY??
Thank God you’re no longer the governor of my state. You likely never read the PA state constitution which reads that the right of the people to be armed ‘’shall not be questioned’’.
Of course, ‘’Eddie’’, you’re just another fat, bloated, egotistical politician with soft hands and an expanded view of your own self worth.
‘’Crazy Eddie’’, just STFU and enjoy your cushy retirement on my tax dollars. The less heard from your sorry a$$, the better.


91 posted on 07/22/2012 5:56:40 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: pabianice

Well, Crazy Eddie, I have a couple. Are you crazy enough to come take them.......PERSONALLY??
Thank God you’re no longer the governor of my state. You likely never read the PA state constitution which reads that the right of the people to be armed ‘’shall not be questioned’’.
Of course, ‘’Eddie’’, you’re just another fat, bloated, egotistical politician with soft hands and an expanded view of your own self worth.
‘’Crazy Eddie’’, just STFU and enjoy your cushy retirement on my tax dollars. The less heard from your sorry a$$, the better.


92 posted on 07/22/2012 5:56:59 PM PDT by Thumper1960 (A modern so-called "Conservative" is a shadow of a wisp of a vertebrate human being.)
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To: jboot

12 Ga Federal Law Enforcement Low Recoil Tactical 00 Buck & Federal Law Enforcement Low Recoil Tactical Slugs are both available and great home defense rounds. These can be had either in Low Recoil or Standard Recoil, but the kick is somewhat more with the Standard shells. The local Sheriff’s Dept has gone to these Low Recoil shells. The punch is still there for home defense or for most law enforcement needs. Muzzle velocity is a couple hundred fps less with the low recoil rounds.


93 posted on 07/22/2012 6:16:19 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

“I hear that, but in a dark house while maybe still shaking off some sleepiness, would a little spread be a good thing?”

Put a light on that shotgun, and maybe a laser. Important you see the target, both for acquisition and for identification (might not be a bad guy). Alternate the slug with 00 and you will get the job done. The laser is an especially good idea for a pistol grip.

And btw, I believe your home defense semi-auto hand gun should have both light and laser. Many already have the mounting rail under the barrel, in front of the trigger.

In low light situations, with either the shotgun or the hand gun, it is essential that you be able to identifiy the target BEFORE you pull the trigger.


94 posted on 07/22/2012 6:29:05 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Mind you that was my first experience hunting, and before that I had never fired a 12 ga.
Did anyone even bother to show you the proper stance or tell you what to expect as far as recoil?
95 posted on 07/22/2012 6:29:05 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: evangmlw
There is an excuse for an American having a semi-automatic weapon.

Look at your choice of words. You've stepped into the gun control activist's trap without even realizing it.

There is a reason for an American having a semi-automatic weapon.

Your usage of his words gives his argument more merit.
Not ragging, just observing.

96 posted on 07/22/2012 6:34:44 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36

“Did anyone even bother to show you the proper stance or tell you what to expect as far as recoil?”

Yes, I was hunting with the friend who loaned me the shotgun. He went through it all with me. He was well experienced. I was okay after the first day. The second day did my shoulder in...


97 posted on 07/22/2012 6:34:56 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea; Las Vegas Ron
Always leave some lights on. Low watt hall lights, a small lamp in living spaces, kitchen sink or stove lights...whatever.
You have the added advantage that simply having some lights on in the house which are visible from the outside, even with shutters, shades or blinds, may deter a break in.
98 posted on 07/22/2012 6:44:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
The second day did my shoulder in...
A shock absorber would have been nice back then.

You just have to love technology...

Blackhawk Knoxx SpecOps Adjustable Shotgun Stock with built-in shock absorber for Remington 870 or Mossberg 500/590

You can find one like it now for almost any model and from a variety of manufacturers.

99 posted on 07/22/2012 6:55:29 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea
Or you can be a low tech red neck and get some really good glue/epoxy and glue a gel mouse pad on the butt stock to make your own shock absorber.
100 posted on 07/22/2012 7:08:26 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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