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I'm conservative (oh yea uh-huh) and pro-gay marriage and I want your ZOT!
8/3/12 | agooga

Posted on 08/03/2012 4:19:35 PM PDT by agooga

Being a hardcore constitutionalist, conservative, agnostic AND supporter of gay-marriage is not always easy. I usually take a lot of heat from both sides, and I'm used to that.

With the Chick-Fil-A situation, I see both sides of the issue. I support CFA and I support the idea of gay marriage. What I don't support are the tactics used by the left to bully, intimidate, mock, deride and create false narratives to achieve their goal.

I'm angry at the left for creating hatred. I see and hear a lot of it because I have so many gay and liberal friends, and I hate to see them so angry and hateful, and I hate to see them putting out all of that negativity into the world. I feel like it's pollution, seeping out of their mouths and fingertips, spreading and touching us all. I feel like it's hurting us all. I know it's hurting me.

Sometimes I try to explain this to them. I have many Christian friends who are for traditional marriage, and I RESPECT their point of view. I acknowledge the fact that thousands of years of customs and tradition, millions of years of evolution, and various types of traditional upbringing and church doctrine has deeply encoded the idea of man/woman relationships and man/woman marriage on almost all of us. Some of us have been able and willing to make the leap to their side and accept the gay lifestyle as valid, but many of us have not.

My pro-gay friends equate the gay rights struggle with the cvil rights struggle, and there are SOME parallels, but not as many as they would think. Slavery, segregation and other forms of racial discrimination were actually encoded in the laws of the time. There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people-- the issue is simply that there are no laws that specifically countenance gay people, and the right to gay marriage.

Is there prejudice from some in the hetero community? Yes. Is this prejudice based on a belief in one's intellectual or physical superiority? No. It's based on an IDEA, essentially. It's often based on the principle of morality. Traditionalists think that gay people are "doing something wrong" or "doing something that is unnatural." Some heteros think that gay people choose this lifestyle and believe they can change themselves-- but choose not to as an act of rebellion. This is not true.

Gayness is imprinted, in my opinion, just as anti-gayness is imprinted. Neither are clear, conscious choices that we make-- they are largely made for us by our genetics, upbringing, culture or some combination.

I ask that you not hate gay people for this reason.

But I also directly ask gay people and their supporters not to hate you and TRY to understand why traditionalists feel uncomfortable, threatened and even repulsed by the gay lifestyle. And rather than trying to push traditionalists off the edge of the cliff, I ask my pro-gay friends to try to lead these skeptics away from the cliff with respect, tolerance and compassion. So far, this plea has fallen mostly on deaf ears.

I operate under no illusions that we can wave a magic wand and heal the wounds of our nation, largely inflicted by anarcho-radical leftwing 60's retread tactics. But is it just me, or does no one understand that the more you push with brute force, the more the other side digs in it's heels to resist?

Gay marriage will likely be reality in America soon. That issue will be settled in the SCOTUS and it will be all over in a soundbite released on a Friday night before the justices go on summer vacation. I am sure of that. But we still have to live with each other.

So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you? And is it worth trying to help other people understand one another a little more? Or is it none of my (or anyone's) business?


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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
"GiBLiTS"

LOL. But to me more precise in their wording: Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Trans-gender (GLBT). Try GaLiBiTS. Or GLiBiTS. One of these acronyms should go viral! Yours sound funniest - but I'll go with The GLiBiTiteS. Har!

161 posted on 08/03/2012 9:09:24 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: agooga

This argument is nothing more than using the heavy handed power of government to force others to do as you wish. That can not ever be described as conservative. That is CONFUSED.


162 posted on 08/03/2012 9:12:25 PM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: agooga; re_nortex; Las Vegas Ron; F15Eagle; Jim Thompson; darkwing104; Old Sarge; SunkenCiv; ...

So long, agooga (Posting History)
Hat Tip to re_nortex, LasVegasRon, F15Eagle, and Jim
The Man Himself steps into a pile of homosexual agenda and scrapes it off his shoes into the blast furnace



We are pro-decency -- take your agenda elsewhere



FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

164 posted on 08/03/2012 9:24:26 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
"Had one on here last week that felt the need to tell me he wasn’t a “breeder”. That’s what they like to call us. Something like that normally wouldn’t offend me, but they use it with such contempt."

Those idiots don't even realize that if not for "breeders", their stupid moronic asses wouldn't even exist. They would still be an egg or a squiggly spermatozoa looking at the wrong end.

Be Proud and Loud
That You Allow!

165 posted on 08/03/2012 9:27:34 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: A Navy Vet
Oops:

Be Proud and Loud
That You Allowed!

166 posted on 08/03/2012 9:30:03 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Bwahahaha! Post of the day! That was awesome.


167 posted on 08/03/2012 9:34:25 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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To: LukeL
"As you said you are an agnostic I have to ask you this question. Since you doubt God..."

Bad summation. Agnostics don't "doubt God", they are just not sure. Atheists are the those who "doubt" a supreme being. Most of us agnostics hope for something behind the "big bang". Nobody knows, no matter what is written in words by various prophets. I personally believe in "divine design".

As for you chemical theory including procreation, well, humans have emotions, including empathy and sympathy. Those two emotions alone should be enough to not do unwarranted harm to others. I'm not sure there is a Biblical god (again, there may be), but I have enough empathy as to not want harm on others and also because I don't want the same harm to come to me or my loved ones.

Whether we came from a microbe in the seas, or from a tree in a garden, or from the microbe that was designed to evolve, my feelings wish no harm on others, unless they "trespass" on my superior species rights. And yes, we are superior no matter how we got here.

Fair?

169 posted on 08/03/2012 9:54:48 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: LukeL
Forgot to include:
I am a firm believer of Christian/Judeo values. Those values have guided this country well until the atheists, anarchists, communists, fascists, and other control freaks gained power.

Yes, I can be an agnostic and still see what works for civilization. I firmly support Christians and Jews (except liberals) and the State of Israel. I served 11 years in the US Navy during the "cold war" to defend Israel and other peace-loving nations. I am 62 years old and I know what works and what doesn't for mankind. Age provides perspective.

170 posted on 08/03/2012 10:19:06 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: agooga

You”re a G_d damn iodiotic moronic imbicile if you believe your own screed.

Finally banned/suspended.


171 posted on 08/04/2012 1:25:25 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (bump)
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To: agooga

You”re a G_d damn iodiotic moronic imbicile if you believe your own screed.

Finally banned/suspended.


172 posted on 08/04/2012 1:25:43 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: agooga

>> supporter of gay-marriage

>> There are no laws that currently discriminate against gay people

So in your idiotic, juvenile sense of fairness, you’ll support the persecution of those that refuse to partake and service the affairs of homosexuals?


173 posted on 08/04/2012 1:42:54 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: agooga
So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you? And is it worth trying to help other people understand one another a little more? Or is it none of my (or anyone's) business?

Understanding is a whole lot different than rolling over and letting the Constitution be taken over and trashed by those who find a "right" for any society-destroying perversion. I prefer the old adage, "Love the sinner, hate the sin"; you can love and even respect those who are "different", but you don't have to buy into the crap that they're just as moral and upstanding as the next guy. If you were really a "hard core Constitutinalist", you would not condone the attitudes and movements that are designed to pervert and negate the Constitution.

174 posted on 08/04/2012 2:10:42 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: A Navy Vet

I didnt invent it. It is going viral ;-)


175 posted on 08/04/2012 3:55:44 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: TheOldLady; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

The leftist trash are merely trying to redirect attention to the sideshow of gay marriage, much the same way that they redirected attention from Clinton’s actual crimes onto Monica’s blue dress.

Thanks TOL.


176 posted on 08/04/2012 4:23:18 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: agooga
So my question is this: Have these words meant anything to you?
Yeah. I want the two minutes of my life back I spent reading your crap!
177 posted on 08/04/2012 5:08:06 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: agooga

If you decide to come back and read the replies, I suggest you read this http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm first. Pay attention to #s 18 - 26. The commies have taken over your mind.


178 posted on 08/04/2012 5:42:50 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (RINO season is open. No limit. Make them extinct.)
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To: agooga
I finally realized I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body, since I think about women all day. I had jury duty last Wednesday and by the time we were released, I had all but two of the females in the elevator with me. They must have known I was a lesbian too.


179 posted on 08/04/2012 5:47:35 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (RINO season is open. No limit. Make them extinct.)
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To: lacrew

Lacrew, you’ve got every single point of the gay issue 100% correct.

By the way...I still believe that it’s a mental disorder, and that they’re born that way.

Great post.


180 posted on 08/04/2012 6:29:38 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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