Posted on 09/08/2012 9:03:55 AM PDT by Why So Serious
Here is a better way to look at this ... the government should not be in the marriage business, and marriage is not a political issue. Gay people, for the most part, express a desire to get married for the benefits that are extended to married couple [rights like Social Security benefits, child care tax credits, Family and Medical Leave to take care of loved ones, and COBRA healthcare for spouses and children]. Government should allow people to engage in civil unions [this includes men and women], only. Marriage should be left to the churches. Then, any one can have a civil union [man/lady, lady/lady, man/man, mom/son, dad/daughter, brother/sister, person/multiple people] which extends to that civil union the governmental rights that married couple now enjoy which include the marriage tax credit, right to pass assets without taxation upon death, the right to make life ending decisions [pulling the plug]. The whole issue dies in a blink. This should not have to be a political thing. Moving the line in the sand never works ... better just to erase it. I believe that my wife and I are married in GOD's eyes and believe that we have a civil union in the eyes of government. It should not be anything different then a partnership, LLC, or LP.
Also, what are the ultimate consequences of a society that does not encourage the ideal of the traditional family as the cornerstone of its foundation?
Wait, if we allow gay men and women to get married it will result in out-of-wedlock children? HUH!? 75% of black kids are born out of wedlock and in the white community it is spiking away, as well. As far as people voting to ban things ... that is not always a good thing. People voted for Al Gore to be the President. Thank your lucky stars that the Electoral College stopped that. Be careful with saying that you want the "people's vote" to dictate. In 25 years the "people's vote" will be majority muslim. You obviously support that notion while it works for you, at which point you want to waste it on stupid issues
This has nothing to do with health benefits, social security benefits, etc. It has everything to do with using the force of law to recognize sodomites, and to compel those who disagree with them to shut up. You can not refuse sodomites entry into your establishment, nor deny them your skills. You must recognize their relationship and celebrate it in any manner they choose.
That's how this works. Every bit of dancing around, mentioning any and all reasonable accommodations, it is all there only to support the forced recognition of their shacking up and making it equivalent to marriage.
We had a pivotal moment in history, that one moment where we could have exposed the homosexual agenda for all to see - Mitt Romney could have simply accepted the state supreme court ruling, and stated: Go ahead, declare every marriage to be unconstitutional.
And now the man who caved is our presidential nominee.
Which benefits would that be?
You are right. I now say that Libertarians are Dems who don’t want to pay taxes. They revel in immorality - I don’t even want to speculate why - and they want to return us to a culture of paganism where “anything goes”.
I wish that all the members of FR who are Libertarians would leave and join/form a Libertarian group.
I think if states just started opting out of calling what they sell marriage licenses and started calling them civil contracts instead, that would dampen the political fire connected with it.
Most clergymen will not celebrate a religious union (marriage) between anyone/thing but one man and one woman-defuse the politics that way-a civil union is simply a business contract, and religions don’t regulate those, whether they are between a man and woman, or any combination of participants.
Wondering how anything can destroy a marriage other than the two people involved in the marriage
You have been duped into precisely the conclusion the homosexual marriage advocates want you to come to. The real intent of the homosexual marriage movement has never been about expanding marriage to homosexuals, polygamists, and pedophiles. It's about eliminating marriage for heterosexuals. Removing legal recognition for marriage is a significant step towards the destruction of the family and our overall society as we know it.
Developing Virtue Is The Path To True Freedom
“Freedom” Without Virtue, Is License
We do not live in a time or in a society that really encourages the development of virtue… We denigrate marriage and family which is really the first school of virtue… We practice the intrinsic evil of unrestricted abortion… And we as a nation live well beyond our means financially…
And historically the societies that follow such an empty view of human freedom, because they undermine the development of virtue in their citizens historically those societies tend to lose the freedom that they do have…
...Rev. tephen Hellman
That’s just it...in the end, it is about destroying God’s definition of marriage.
And with all their talk about tolerance, this is really about their hatred of something that “straights” view as sacred.
Should have been: Rev. Stephen Hellman
Bump to an excellent post!
THAT was my question. What benefits and who will pay?
What if they are government employees, etc.?
I was ready to post a lengthy diatribe to this vanity, but on second thought, your succinct words cut to the heart of the matter quite well.
What are you talking about?
We aren’t talking about your personal marriage, or the internals of any individual marriage, we are talking about national policy and the American legal definition of marriage.
Well, then, how do counterfeit bills destroy the economy? They look just like other bills, don't they? Why do cashiers use those special markers to spot fake bills? If fake marriage is not detriment to real marriage, than fake money shouldn't be a detriment to real money, correct?
I have tried to convey the very same thing on other threads but you put it in a much more succinct way.
As an aside, I am a bit surprised this poster hasn't had a visit from the kitties yet.
To the calls for “gay marriage” and politicization of morality, Conservatives must answer
1. Just as people are, the USA is a nation under judgement. God’s morality, the Natural Law, lies well-beyond present politics and modern fads A nation that puts the latter before the former is in great danger
2. All just governance exists by, and with, the consent of the governed.
3. Government distinct from society and limited in its control of society. Society exists prior to, and above, the state. The state exists to serve society, not the other way around.
4. Only a virtuous people can be free. Freedom can only live in Truth, and as mentioned above “Truth” is not defined by Governments or politics.
Agree completely, though it probably isn’t a popular opinion on FR. I’m actually for civil unions for people that AREN’T gay as well. Just any group of people who want to pool resources. Let the states determine what they want allow.
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