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Marines studying mindfulness-based training
Associated Press ^ | Jan 19, 2:32 PM EST | JULIE WATSON

Posted on 01/20/2013 5:36:15 AM PST by Candor7

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif. (AP) -- The U.S. Marine Corps, known for turning out some of the military's toughest warriors, is studying how to make its troops even tougher through meditative practices, yoga-type stretching and exercises based on mindfulness.

Marine Corps officials say they will build a curriculum that would integrate mindfulness-based techniques into their training if they see positive results from a pilot project. Mindfulness is a Buddhist-inspired concept that emphasizes active attention on the moment to keep the mind in the present.

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TOPICS: Education; Military/Veterans; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: meditation; usmc; warriorship
The US Marines Could get a far better training here:

http://www.zenko.org

or here:

http://www.shambhala.org

1 posted on 01/20/2013 5:36:20 AM PST by Candor7
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To: TigersEye; BuddhistConservative

Ping!


2 posted on 01/20/2013 5:37:30 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

The Few, The Zen, The Marines.


3 posted on 01/20/2013 5:39:07 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Candor7

The US Marines Could get a far better training here:

http://www.zenko.org

or here:

http://www.shambhala.org


4 posted on 01/20/2013 5:39:29 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Yo-Yo
The Few, The Zen, The Marines. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

ROFLMAO. Semper Om AH Hum Fidelis!

5 posted on 01/20/2013 5:40:54 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

“...concept that emphasizes active attention on the moment to keep the mind in the present.”

“There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at without result.” - Winston Churchill

That worked for me.


6 posted on 01/20/2013 5:44:15 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: Candor7

ABC - Anything But Christianity.

Gradual, step by step erosion, setting up for a change of oath, from the Constitution to some federation that includes America.

The Navy already is forced to call itself “a global force for good”.

This oath change will happen within a few years without a shot being fired, between propaganda and attrition, unless people within the military resist these efforts bigtime.

Russia is already new world order. China as well - their oath is to the Communist Party, not the country, citizens or any founding document.

The only thing preventing new world order is America.


7 posted on 01/20/2013 5:51:48 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Candor7
The U.S. Marine Corps, known for turning out some of the military's toughest warriors, is studying how to make its troops even tougher through meditative practices, yoga-type stretching and exercises based on mindfulness.


8 posted on 01/20/2013 5:54:42 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: PieterCasparzen

I concur with the assessment of Anything But Christianity. I would dare say that there would be some unintended (?) spiritual consequences.


9 posted on 01/20/2013 6:09:19 AM PST by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: Candor7

Scene: MCRD Parris Island, middle of summer, 97 degrees, 100% RH

(Fade in)

Recruits sitting on cushions, cross legged, eyes closed, hands on knees, palms upraised with index finger and thumbs touching ...

DI, standing over recruits whispers:

“That’s it, Ladies ... Feel the Zen.”

(Fade out)


10 posted on 01/20/2013 6:16:02 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=vb.33971359669&type=2


11 posted on 01/20/2013 6:17:41 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: sten

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=vb.33971359669&type=2#!/photo.php?v=112537260561&set=vb.33971359669&type=2&theater


12 posted on 01/20/2013 6:19:50 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: spodefly

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13 posted on 01/20/2013 6:20:42 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

better... stronger... faster

14 posted on 01/20/2013 6:31:24 AM PST by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Candor7

Hell just make them watch the movie Tribes with Jan Michael Vincent.


15 posted on 01/20/2013 6:40:23 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Candor7

These new techniques are being tried in order to prevent PTS. They can be used after a trauma to control your reaction and keep the brain from making physiological mistakes due to stress. If not prepared the brain reacts to triggers after stress overload (constant fear) in unnatural ways depleting its natural resources-recovery is possible with the right holistic health plan, but diagnoses is time consuming, not something the VA can afford AND those meds that only treat symptoms pushed by the DR lobby are NOT part of the treatment. This is preventive psych maintenance to prepare the whole Marine.

Meditation is one part of the training and if the Marine so desires can meditate on Biblical truths as warrior King David did as long as we have freedom of religion which we all know is under attack.

Very good book is “Surviving the Shadows.” I was also surprised to read elsewhere that shrinks (a few) are taking into consideration that most humans believe they have a soul.

When I get stressed I go to the future and imagine what it will be like after the Messiah returns and rules with an iron rod bringing peace to the whole earth. He doesn’t do it alone. He brings His troops with Him.


16 posted on 01/20/2013 6:52:32 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: Dusty Road

“Hell just make them watch the movie Tribes with Jan Michael Vincent.”

I was thinking of the same thing. Back then it was highly offensive that someone would even try to bring meditation into boot camp. Now the Corp is actually using it as a training tool.

Oh, how things change.


17 posted on 01/20/2013 7:23:15 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Candor7

This will fail miserably, because it, in several variations, has been tried before.

The bottom line is that only a small number of people are naturally superb warrior types. They will be superb whether they learn boxing, or kung fu, or judo, or with weapons, etc. They will always be better. One of them is worth 100 not-warriors who have been extensively trained and practiced. Because you just cannot train somebody to be a superb warrior. Which they will never, ever, admit, not in a thousand years.

However, in a modern army, while they *try* to make everybody an infantryman, the truth of the matter is that for every fighter, there will be 15 or more combat support and combat service support soldiers, and even combat soldiers that do not fight people directly, if they can avoid it, like artillerymen. Who kill far more of the enemy than do infantrymen, by the way.

And something that truly aggravates and frustrates the military is that just because somebody looks good and is physically fit, does not mean they are good or even average at their job, whatever it is.

On the extreme this means that they pitch out large numbers of competent, even talented people, because they do not “look good”. Because heaven knows, you can’t be a good supply, maintenance, bureaucrat, accountant or electronics specialist if you cannot run 2 miles and keep your weight down to civilian height weight standards. And for heavens’ sake, you can’t smoke or drink, either.

So what about “Marine mindfulness?” It’s just not going to happen, because these exercises are skills of the mind and the body that a limited number of persons are able to do. For everyone else, it is a waste of time.

Typically, the type of person the Marines recruit and are happy with are not the type of person who can excel at these other skills.


18 posted on 01/20/2013 7:23:49 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Candor7
won’t be long before the athiests are out there screaming that this is religion in the military and these men and women are GOVT Property! We must destroy all chapels and rooms of worship on military installations now!!/S
19 posted on 01/20/2013 7:32:05 AM PST by celtic gal
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“The bottom line is that only a small number of people are naturally superb warrior types. “

Good post.

Fact is that before the 20th century (really before WWII)estimates are that only about 15% or so of troops were willing to fire a shot in anger. (Your point about artillery killing way more than infantry is well taken).

In WWII they came up with training that broke down and reconditioned troops so that a much higher percentage would shoot the enemy, in the 60% or more range.

The natural warrior types can handle killing people, that’s probably the 15% or so of all troops that are in that category. They can go thru the horrors of war and not get PTSD. But it appears that the non-warrior types that are conditioned to overcome their natural instincts against killing another human being are more susceptible to PTSD.


20 posted on 01/20/2013 7:42:08 AM PST by webstersII
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Agree with a lot of what you’re saying. If they took 1000 men and told them the last 100 left standing would enter the service, after the free-for-all most people would surprised at the winners.

Years ago friends and I used to make bets on amateur boxing on cable, unknowns with short records. They would make a big thing about their weight, their reach, their race, their age...I just looked at their eyes and face and body language. I did real well. The body is the tool, but the mind is the craftsman. The guy who’s going to win already has it won in his head. And the other guy who steps in the ring usually knows it.


21 posted on 01/20/2013 8:02:47 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Dusty Road
Hell just make them watch the movie Tribes with Jan Michael Vincent.

I tried meditate like Jan-Michael Vincent in boot camp but it didn't work too well.

Full movie: http://youtu.be/uVNDRP8XyoI

22 posted on 01/20/2013 9:56:24 AM PST by idkfa
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; TigersEye

This will fail miserably, because it, in several variations, has been tried before.>>>>>

Have you tried it before.? And what is it that you tried?
You do not sound like you tried it. Maybe you did not see it? LOL.

Fail miseraby? Then why has it been successful for over 2000 years in every culture in the world?

You think you know all about it?

This is but a small part of it:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=vb.33971359669&type=2#!/photo.php?v=112537260561&set=vb.33971359669&type=2&theater

Its OK though if you do not get it. That just makes it easier.


23 posted on 01/20/2013 10:16:31 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: huldah1776; TigersEye

the Marine so desires can meditate on Biblical truths as warrior King David >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Absolutely, and you can throw Saint Michael into the mix if you like.

No kidding. Wariorship in the USA needs to become more sophisticated in how one’s internal landscape is cultivated.

The naysayers and troglodytes posting here would be so dead
given what they have revealed here.......complete fear rather than fearlessness. But to each his own and to the freedom that represents.


24 posted on 01/20/2013 10:21:59 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

It’s just not going to happen, because these exercises are skills of the mind and the body that a limited number of persons are able to do.>>>>>>>>>>>>

If you are a human being, then you CAN do it.It’s true.


25 posted on 01/20/2013 10:25:44 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7
Marines expanding use of meditation training (Mindfulness-based Mind Fitness Training (“M-Fit”))

I tried to point out on that thread that shamatha (calm abiding) meditation isn't really Buddhist. It pre-existed Buddhism by who knows how many thousand years. As always there were posters who couldn't accept that. All I can say is 'it works!' There is no better way to improve your situational awareness ability.

26 posted on 01/20/2013 1:01:13 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Well it was fun putting the article up. So much fear and agression and yes, the technique of shamatha ( Tibetan: shine, pronounced “shinay”)predates Buddhism by a very long stretch of time indeed.

The resultant situational awareness ( vipasyana)is as you say, a very positive thing. I do not know why anyone would fear it.

Shibata Sensei, the greatest kyu no michi master alive today calls it, “polishing the mirror of one’s mind.”This from an ex-soldier of Japan who survived as a POW under the Russians in an Afghanistan coal mine where the survival rate was 1 in 68? He knows what he is talking about.

I can’t believe that one poster even said that such meditation was only for special human beings who had a natural predisposition for it.

Warriors for thousands of years have benefited from the practice of mindfulness, and only now after 200 years of institutional existence do U.S. warriors begin to encounter it institutionally? Well there is hope and possibly liberation and freedom also, the creation of enlightened society now being destroyed by the left and the Obama regime.

Thank you Tiger, maybe we took a few small steps today.


27 posted on 01/20/2013 1:14:01 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: PieterCasparzen

ABC - Anything But Christianity.

* * *

If you look back in history, you can find some famous Christian mystics, such as St. Teresa of Avila, who practiced meditation (on Christian and spiritual subjects). Meditation (used in the practice of mindfulness) is merely a tool. Complaining about the use of meditation in a training program because it’s not explicitly Christian is like complaining that they’re not using explicitly Christian #2 pencils. You could print an attractive Cross or a Christian thought on a pencil, which would be rather nice, but it doesn’t make it a better pencil.


28 posted on 01/20/2013 1:29:11 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Candor7
I can’t believe that one poster even said that such meditation was only for special human beings who had a natural predisposition for it.

Some people aren't able to sit still for 15 or 20 minutes a day but I would put them in the minority. An extremely small minority. That's the only special ability required that I know of. lol

29 posted on 01/20/2013 1:37:27 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

It is promoting bhuddism. get it ?

Every other religion other than Christianity - according to THE BIBLE - is a false religion and God hates false religions, in fact the FIRST TWO Commandments deal with false worship.

Idolatry and false gods are not the way to go.

I used to think many many many things were harmless when I was ignorant of the Word of God because I had chosen to reject it by delaying studying it.

But the Word of God is a most serious thing.

Quiet reflection is one thing, but doing things according to the instruction of a teacher of a false religion is quite another.

I went to an ashram once and was in a yoga class. I was extremely uncomfortable with it - and then the chant changed to something about some god or something, and I could not say those words. And that was before my conversion, having practically no Biblical instruction in the heathen Methodist Church. From what little I knew I knew that was horribly wrong.


30 posted on 01/20/2013 2:18:58 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

St. Teresa of Avila often used meditation in her spiritual practice. St. Ignatius of Loyola was well-known for his meditative spiritual practice.

Were they promoting Buddhism?


31 posted on 01/20/2013 2:25:46 PM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Candor7

Or here, which many are! Www.copingstrategiescd.org


32 posted on 01/20/2013 2:29:19 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Candor7

Or here, which many are! Www.copingstrategiescd.org


33 posted on 01/20/2013 2:29:45 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Candor7

Responsible and mature adults learn from the past and plan for the future. Irresponsible stupid selfish infants “live in the now.”


34 posted on 01/20/2013 2:36:19 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Hetty_Fauxvert

I have no idea about them, other than they presumably were members of the Roman Catholic Church. In that case, I highly doubt they were promoting Buddhism. I’m not a member of the Roman Catholic Church and I have not studied them.


35 posted on 01/20/2013 2:50:01 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Tell that to the person who steps out in front of a bus because their mind was fixated on thoughts of the past or imagining the future instead of being aware of what’s happening in the present moment.


36 posted on 01/20/2013 2:59:17 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: TigersEye

Never worrying about the past or the future is a good way to end up homeless, addicted to drugs, or thrown in prison.


37 posted on 01/20/2013 3:29:38 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Whatever you’re babbling about has nothing to do with mindfulness meditation. A proper synonym for mindfulness would be ‘situational awareness.’ It has nothing to do with forgetting lessons learned or not planning for the future. That’s nonsense.


38 posted on 01/20/2013 3:36:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Responsible and mature adults learn from the past and plan for the future. Irresponsible stupid selfish infants “live in the now.”>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Shamatha mindfulness meditation does not prevent a practitioner from being mature, nor does it prevent planning for the future. It simply provides another dimension to one’s perceptive ability.It takes practice, generosity and self discipline to bring it about. Its been practiced by warriors and protectors all over the world for thousands of years, and will be practiced for thousands more.


39 posted on 01/20/2013 6:06:10 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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