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AR-15 Rifle or the so-called "Assault Weapon" was not used in Newtown
MSNBC ^ | Dec 15, 2012 erroneous video report

Posted on 01/26/2013 3:13:31 PM PST by agondonter

Edited on 01/26/2013 3:25:39 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: RummyChick

“There is a poster on this site that has info from an EMS person who said he saw a lot of 5.56 casings”

Ummm... .223 and 5.56 casings are identical.


61 posted on 01/26/2013 10:58:34 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Mad Dawgg

“Sorry but I see know way any sane person could trust anyone from the Government who is involved with this case nor would I trust any civilians either.”

Right, so you will never know what happened, since you refuse to believe anything that anyone says about the case. So why not just accept that is will be a permanent mystery to you and quit worrying about it?


62 posted on 01/26/2013 11:03:28 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: agondonter

63 posted on 01/26/2013 11:51:45 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Mad Dawgg

I don’t buy into the investigators pulling that firearm from the trunk at NIGHT, either.. Shooting happened early in the morning. Also, some say that isn’t his car and there is conflicting info. regarding the lic. plate number as well.


64 posted on 01/26/2013 11:57:06 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Mad Dawgg

wipe your screen off. You were spitting as as you wrote that crap


65 posted on 01/27/2013 3:09:42 AM PST by Figment
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To: Boogieman

No, they aren’t and law enforcement should know the difference.


66 posted on 01/27/2013 6:07:55 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Roger that I saw the file that the news Helo took when that cop was yanking on the bolt we all know how a charging handle works on an AR.


67 posted on 01/27/2013 6:30:20 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: RummyChick
"No, they aren’t and law enforcement should know the difference."

You weren't talking about law enforcement, you were talking about an EMS who probably just saw them lying on the floor.

As for them being identical, they are very slightly different, but someone seeing them lying on the floor at a distance probably wouldn't be able to distinguish them. For example, here is a .223 and a 5.56 casing, both of them reloaded with .223 bullets. Can you tell which is which from just glancing at this photo? Even if you can, could you imagine how hard it would be too make that call if there wasn't the other casing to compare against, and you were only looking at one type?:


68 posted on 01/27/2013 7:48:54 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: RummyChick
No, they aren’t and law enforcement should know the difference.

I'm sure they know whatever difference there is, but EMS personnel may not. But either way we know that they came from the Bushmaster.

69 posted on 01/27/2013 7:52:32 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: babygene; agondonter

<>Could it be that the information went public accurately until the media got their marching orders? And then they changed the facts.<>

If that’s true then the marching orders were to blame it on the handguns — the gang of four — and the four handguns only — and they changed the facts to match that story.

Because the first report that went forth was the police dispatch that identified a rifle at the scene:

9:55:25: “Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun”

And that report was recorded live as it happened, and was then published that same day, which was the day before the erroneous NBC “4 handgun” report on December 15th.

Here is the police dispatch in New Hampshire Register published on December 14th:

9:55:25: “Be advised, we have multiple weapons. One rifle and a shotgun”

http://nhregister.com/articles/2012/12/14/news/doc50cc0897adc1a203744261.txt?viewmode=default


70 posted on 01/27/2013 8:16:37 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Boogieman; RummyChick; FreedomPoster
For example, here is a .223 and a 5.56 casing, both of them reloaded with .223 bullets.

Which brings up an interesting scenario:

.223 bullets in 5.56 casings -- which means the victims could have been killed with .223 bullets which then left 5.56 casings all over the place.

71 posted on 01/27/2013 8:30:42 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Figment
Sorry but I deal in logic. Prove anything to do with this incident is true and you will have proved your point.

But just because someone shows you a piece of video or a written report that is supposed to be rock solid evidence proves nothing.

You have no direct knowledge of the incident just what is reported on the Internet and TV and Newspapers. Therefore everything you assert is based on hearsay.

And if you believe stuff like this can't be faked then you are a bigger fool then the so-called truthers.

I trust no-one in this mess especially people who lap up what the MSM and the Gub'ment lackeys are spewing forth and regurgitate it as the gospel.

72 posted on 01/27/2013 8:40:03 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

If I have to chose between what is reported and what your wild imagination has come up with, I’ll have to go with what is reported


73 posted on 01/27/2013 8:55:22 AM PST by Figment
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To: Figment
"If I have to chose between what is reported and what your wild imagination has come up with, I’ll have to go with what is reported.

Please enlighten us on what exactly my wild imagination has come up with.

YOU have nothing but second hand info relayed through the MSM the Internet and the Gub'ment.

All three of those are notoriously unreliable. Period.

My position is clear I trust no one involved in the situation on either side of the argument and especially anyone who claims that sources based on the three mentioned above are the gospel.

The bottom line is that the Gub'ment is manipulating the situation to achieve a certain goal. The only issue in that question that is in dispute is just how far they have gone in their attempt to manipulate the story. And thems the facts Sparky!

74 posted on 01/27/2013 11:14:42 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Uncle Chip

Yes, that is possible too.


75 posted on 01/27/2013 11:26:10 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Mad Dawgg

Is the school real???


76 posted on 01/27/2013 12:07:25 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Mad Dawgg

Sometimes, the facts are just too inconvenient.


77 posted on 01/27/2013 12:10:55 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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78 posted on 01/27/2013 1:58:49 PM PST by Hacksaw
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To: Boogieman

I wouldn’t know the difference.

But a poster coming onto this site claiming that the EMS guy knew about guns and saw 5.56 casings all over the place - which means he also had to see the ammo that hadn’t been shot- would indicate he knew they were 5.56

If 5.56 closely looks like .223 then why say 5.56 when it has been disclosed it was a .223 gun.

What was the agenda with the FR poster???

Or now is there something lurking that the casings were really .223 and now the poster has to backpeddle.
The whole thing is weird.


79 posted on 01/27/2013 2:11:31 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: Mad Dawgg

” YOU have nothing but second hand info relayed through the MSM the Internet and the Gub’ment.

All three of those are notoriously unreliable. Period.”

Oh, that’s right, you were an eyewitness. You have a spotless track record for accuracy and are above question. Bite me sparky


80 posted on 01/27/2013 2:50:21 PM PST by Figment
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