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The Reason Why No Air Power was Scrambled to Benghazi?
ASB | 05/16/13 | ASB

Posted on 05/16/2013 10:53:15 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius

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To: E. Pluribus Unum
lol Not a problem. No one knows this subject better than the people here on FR and we will be pounding these points just a few more times yet.
41 posted on 05/16/2013 11:24:36 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: mn-bush-man
For the benefit of the acronymically challenged like me, what is a MANPAD?

Man Portable Air Defense System...like Stinger!

42 posted on 05/16/2013 11:25:03 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Apologist!


43 posted on 05/16/2013 11:27:19 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama abandoned the defenders in Benghazi - They died; he lied.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
0bama wanted this whole thing to just go away from the get-go. HE was worried about HIS re-election and didn't give a damn about anyone in Benghazi. Disgustingly, he departed the WH the following morning to fund raise in Las Vegas for HIS re-election.

The reason the FBI wasn't allowed into Benghazi was 1) 0bama was trying to STALL findings until AFTER the election, because 2) THE FBI MIGHT FIND EVIDENCE THAT WE WERE ATTACKED WITH THE VERY SAME WEAPONS HILLARY SUPPLIED TO THE TERRORISTS FOR USE IN SYRIA.

Worrying about MANPADs is a possibility, but there are 'stand off' weapons we could've fired precisely at a target from great distances. We could've lobbed some serious artillery on the terrorists checkpoints and it would only take one to get them to scatter like rats. ONE FULL AFTERBURNER FLY-BY OF A STRIPPED DOWN F-16 COULD'VE ENDED THE ATTACK. THE TERRORISTS WOULD FLEE, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S COMING NEXT..

The point is, 0bama sacrificed American lives over HIS political concerns, then LIED about it. His entire administration went into 'cover-up' mode. Victoria Nuland's only concern was HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT 0BAMA'S CAMPAIGN. Susan Rice lied. Hillary Clinton lied before Congress.

When Americans are attacked by terrorists, what does 0bama do? 0bama thinks of how he can downplay or minimize what the terrorists have done. This alone puts all Americans in danger and is alone grounds for his IMPEACHMENT. His incessant need to protect terrorists is treasonous. His stand down order in Benghazi is INDEFENSIBLE.

44 posted on 05/16/2013 11:28:19 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

to be clear
you mean Tyrone Woods


45 posted on 05/16/2013 11:31:00 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Military Scramble Order Overseas, How They Work
First, I've got over 26 years working in military control towers, most of them as the watch supervisor/crew chief on duty.
Scrambling aircraft to respond to urgent situations normally starts at the North American Aerospace Defense Command.
The scramble order comes down through a secured phone call on a direct line.
In the attack on the U.S. embassy on Benghazi, the drone control would have been from MacDill AFB, FL, by U.S. Central Command, and would have been in direct contact, or maybe even remote control to the situation room in the White House.
Watch this 4 minute 48 second video Inside the Situation Room.
The pResident SHOULD HAVE issued to order to scramble fighters to Benghazi, to get there in minimum time.
Then he SHOULD HAVE issued a second order scrambling AC-130 gunships to respond to Benghazi, and have them stand by for more orders. This should have been controlled by the pResident, who should have monitored and responded with guidance from his Situation Room, Read
Here's one more piece of information.
Like Rush said:

Now we know that Obama was in the room watching Benghazi attack live.

I know from experience in the government (over 30 years) that the communication system allows for IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION to the SITUATION ROOM,
as well as other agencies, of notification of a critical situation such as this.
I'm sure technology has changed and only gotten better since I retired, but read this with focus onFLASH OVERRIDE and FLASH.
There is more you need to read.
Read post #48 of ""Under God" Removed By Obama During Inaguration Pledge" and know that we were warned of this.


This has been planned for a VERY LONG TIME.
Obama is solely responsible for this.
Hillary claimed “No Knowledge” of gun running
and told Rand Paul he needed to ask the CIA
.


Let's look at some of the facts.
So, let us remember. For a better understanding of the issue, read HISTORY of Mohammed ( spelled variously; Mahomet, Muhammed, Mehmet, etc. ). then watch William Federer explain it, from Jan. 25, 2012 at CC Chino Hills, CA. It's a MUST WATCH for everyone,Christians, Athiests and even Muslims!

As retired military myself, I've seen the damage of "keeping secrets" about bad leaders.
Obama is EVIL, pure and simple.
Please watch Glenn Beck with Trevor Loudon & his book "Barack Obama and the Enemies Within".
Then watch the 29 minute 13 seconds video Trevor Loudon- An Urgent (and chilling) Message for America.

Obama may be feigning "incompetence," thinking he's too sly, being a "wolf in sheep's clothing" since his mentoring was from Fabian Fascism..
The "Establishment Republicans" will probably NOT want to IMPEACH the TREASONIST Barack Hussein Obama II.
But it's better for the country that Obama suffer the penalty, the strongest penalty for his actions, and his inactions.
Let's look at the Presidential Oaths of Office.
Now who among us really believes Obama did any of that ?
To Obama, that was "Just words. Just speeches! "
Damn him ! Damn him to hell !

I'll finish this with asking you to read Watch the 18 minute 56 second documentary video "Absolutely Uncertain" at "theBLAZE.com" or on YouTube.com, narrated by Irina, the 23-year-old “Jewish New Yorker” and a former Obama supporter .

One other suggestion, read DID OBAMA WANT STEVENS DEAD?
The language is a little abrasive, but spot on. Also read:
46 posted on 05/16/2013 11:33:01 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: blueunicorn6

And the more 0mozlem insults our military, the angrier they get, and eventually will do their duty, if necessary. IMHO.


47 posted on 05/16/2013 11:41:03 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: ZX12R
re:
"That is why the other 30+ people are being kept from congress. "-ZX12R

Are all of them kept away? How many of the 30+ were CIA operatives?

To arrive at those posts, one would think they must share political ideology - and - one would assume that a certain percentage will remain firm as Tools committed to Muslim Brotherhood Expansionism.

"Obama was following through on an idea that had long been an article of faith on the left. The idea was that the United States had invested in a defunct status quo and that our biggest problems were our allies. The only way out was to toss them all overboard." ". . .problems in the region would go away if Israel somehow went away. But this was bigger. It involved dumping every single allied government in the region to start fresh with new governments elected through popular democracy and enjoying popular support. It would be a new beginning. And a new beginning was also the title of the Cairo speech.

The idea wasn’t new, but it was right up there with proposals to unilaterally abandon our nuclear arsenal or dedicate ten percent of the budget to foreign aid; ideas that a lot of diplomats liked, but that they knew no one would ever be crazy enough to pull the trigger on.

And then Obama tried to pull the trigger on two out of three. What he wanted was for the Brotherhood to win so that it could make the War on Terror irrelevant.

As dedicated progressives, such losses are dismissed as [nothing more than] disposable collateral carnage sacrificed at the altar of the Progressive/Muslim Brotherhood collective.

48 posted on 05/16/2013 11:41:29 AM PDT by wtd
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Where would you drop a smart-bomb? Onto the building where your people are holed up?-


Wherever the laser target designator tells it to go.

Using 250 lb JADMs you do very precise targeting at very close range


49 posted on 05/16/2013 11:44:49 AM PDT by rdcbn
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How about this reason?
“That Crazy Benghazi Conspiracy Theory? It Just Got Less Crazy”
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/05/that-crazy-benghazi-conspiracy-theory.html

—But I do agree & you are correct. They DID have the MANPADs! There’s actually articles published from back then about it... One was about Putin catching the rebels with them & he was p***sed!

Of course these weren’t written by our American propaganda MSM news (except I think Alex Jones may have had a few)..Most were foreign though.

Obama has been funneling massive amounts of weapons for some time now, going on a year or so. I believe you should be able to find older links to various reports on that from the commieblaster.com website.

You do have to admit though, there’s a good chance that the conspiracy theory I linked to above may very well be a conspiracy fact.


50 posted on 05/16/2013 11:45:44 AM PDT by TabithaBliss (Obama's a tyrant!)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

A couple of thoughts in response.

I have no knowledge of MANPADS operation but would assume it would be not be a threat to fighter jets cruising at high speed and low altitude in the cover of darkness.

You do raise a good question: Why was the stand down order given at a time when we had no reason to believe the ambassador had deceased?


51 posted on 05/16/2013 11:45:54 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: mn-bush-man

Prep H device.........


52 posted on 05/16/2013 11:49:23 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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To: Uncle Miltie
"What if the MANPADS were actually the Soviet made ones from Ghaddafi’s arsenal, and were being run by Stevens through Turkey to Al Qaeda in Syria? That would be treasonous."

I'm not following your logic. Gun running Soviet made weapons the U.S. didn't pay for is treasonous, but not Gun running U.S. provided weapons?

53 posted on 05/16/2013 11:51:53 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Uncle Miltie
"What if the MANPADS were actually the Soviet made ones from Ghaddafi’s arsenal, and were being run by Stevens through Turkey to Al Qaeda in Syria? That would be treasonous."

I'm not following your logic. Gun running Soviet made weapons the U.S. didn't pay for is treasonous, but not Gun running U.S. provided weapons?

54 posted on 05/16/2013 11:51:53 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Mat_Helm
No, shoulder fired missiles are line of sight, limited range, and IR seeking. They can be and are defeated by chaff and flare.

You've contradicted yourself.
Flare not chaff.
Flare - IR
Chaff - RADAR

55 posted on 05/16/2013 11:54:16 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Linda Frances
That is why the other 30+ people are being kept from congress. They knew what was going on. I pray those people are ok

27 of those people are CIA employees who have not been made available for interviews.

56 posted on 05/16/2013 11:55:25 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Yosemitest

Thank you.


57 posted on 05/16/2013 11:58:07 AM PDT by frog in a pot ("To each according to his need..." This from a guy who never had a real job and his family starved.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
'ey! How come you guys always presume that middle-class civilians know the military jargon What is a MANPAD. Is that like a Maxi with wings you guys use, or something?

Or do you guys just do that to show you're cool?
58 posted on 05/16/2013 12:05:03 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: DannyTN

The Syrian “Rebels”, a.k.a. Al Qaeda in Syria (a sub-component) are known to have recently come into possession of Soviet MANPADS.

Ghaddafi had Soviet MANPADS in his arsenal.

The Turks were (by several accounts) helping run Libyan guns to the “Rebels” From Benghazi.

It is a very short hop of the imagination to suggest that the U.S. laid its hands on lots of plausibly deniable Soviet MANPADs in Libya, and shipped them through Turkey to Al Qaeda in Syria.

The “Rebels” have been shooting down Assad’s copters with them. There is video on Youtube. There are lots of pictures of Jihadis with MANPADs in Syria.

So, while U.S. Stingers would put a bigger fingerprint of Uncle Sam on the shipment, supplying Soviet MANPADs that came under our control is just as bad. It’s just a touch more deniable for Hussein.


59 posted on 05/16/2013 12:08:26 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (WHO IS ON THE ENEMIES LIST?)
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To: DannyTN

60 posted on 05/16/2013 12:09:16 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (WHO IS ON THE ENEMIES LIST?)
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