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The Reason Why No Air Power was Scrambled to Benghazi?
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Posted on 05/16/2013 10:53:15 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
lol Not a problem. No one knows this subject better than the people here on FR and we will be pounding these points just a few more times yet.
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posted on
05/16/2013 11:24:36 AM PDT
by
TigersEye
("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
To: mn-bush-man
For the benefit of the acronymically challenged like me, what is a MANPAD? Man Portable Air Defense System...like Stinger!
42
posted on
05/16/2013 11:25:03 AM PDT
by
sonofagun
(Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
43
posted on
05/16/2013 11:27:19 AM PDT
by
Rapscallion
(Obama abandoned the defenders in Benghazi - They died; he lied.)
To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
0bama wanted this whole thing to just go away from the get-go. HE was worried about HIS re-election and didn't give a damn about anyone in Benghazi. Disgustingly, he departed the WH the following morning to fund raise in Las Vegas for HIS re-election.
The reason the FBI wasn't allowed into Benghazi was 1) 0bama was trying to STALL findings until AFTER the election, because 2) THE FBI MIGHT FIND EVIDENCE THAT WE WERE ATTACKED WITH THE VERY SAME WEAPONS HILLARY SUPPLIED TO THE TERRORISTS FOR USE IN SYRIA.
Worrying about MANPADs is a possibility, but there are 'stand off' weapons we could've fired precisely at a target from great distances. We could've lobbed some serious artillery on the terrorists checkpoints and it would only take one to get them to scatter like rats. ONE FULL AFTERBURNER FLY-BY OF A STRIPPED DOWN F-16 COULD'VE ENDED THE ATTACK. THE TERRORISTS WOULD FLEE, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S COMING NEXT..
The point is, 0bama sacrificed American lives over HIS political concerns, then LIED about it. His entire administration went into 'cover-up' mode. Victoria Nuland's only concern was HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT 0BAMA'S CAMPAIGN. Susan Rice lied. Hillary Clinton lied before Congress.
When Americans are attacked by terrorists, what does 0bama do? 0bama thinks of how he can downplay or minimize what the terrorists have done. This alone puts all Americans in danger and is alone grounds for his IMPEACHMENT. His incessant need to protect terrorists is treasonous. His stand down order in Benghazi is INDEFENSIBLE.
To: E. Pluribus Unum
to be clear
you mean Tyrone Woods
45
posted on
05/16/2013 11:31:00 AM PDT
by
RWGinger
To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Military Scramble Order Overseas, How They Work First, I've got over 26 years working in military control towers, most of them as the watch supervisor/crew chief on duty.
Scrambling aircraft to respond to urgent situations normally starts at the
North American Aerospace Defense Command.
The scramble order comes down through a secured phone call on a direct line.
In the attack on the U.S. embassy on Benghazi, the drone control would have been from
MacDill AFB, FL, by
U.S. Central Command, and would have been in direct contact, or maybe even remote control to the situation room in the White House.
Watch this 4 minute 48 second video
Inside the Situation Room.
The pResident SHOULD HAVE issued to order to scramble fighters to Benghazi, to get there in minimum time.
Then he SHOULD HAVE issued a second order scrambling AC-130 gunships to respond to Benghazi, and have them stand by for more orders.
This should have been controlled by the pResident, who should have monitored and responded with guidance from
his Situation Room,
staffed by men and women from the Department of Homeland Security, the intelligence community, and the military,
all of whom are committed to ensuring that the President of the United States is provided all the information and intelligence he needs to do his job.
Read
Here's one more piece of information.
WHO GAVE THE STAND DOWN ORDER?
That is THE QUESTION,
and if you know anything about government security and government intelligence,you know that the ONLY person that has that authority is OBAMA!
Hillary is there to divert attention FROM THAT QUESTION.
Like
Rush said:
" I'll tell you what happened today was, what I call, what others call, the ruling class, the political elite SAW a vulnerability.
Any time a ranking member of the government who is already in the protected class, which is the Democrat Party, is in the cross-hairs,
they're gonna circle the wagons and protect that person because they're protecting themselves.
And they're protecting the institution of the government, in this case the State Department.
They are not gonna permit a black eye.
The purpose of this, not only to cleanse Hillary and her record and setting up her future,
but this was about cleansing the oversight people and cleansing everybody in Congress,from the Senate or whatever that was supposed to make sure this kind of stuff didn't happen and held people accountable,
that didn't happen.
This was circle the wagons time and put on a dog and pony showto MAKE THE PEOPLE THINK it's been dealt with. "
Now we know that
Obama was in the room watching Benghazi attack live.
I know from experience in the government (over 30 years) that the communication system allows for IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION to the SITUATION ROOM,
as well as other agencies, of notification of a critical situation such as this.
I'm sure technology has changed and only gotten better since I retired, but read
this with focus on
FLASH OVERRIDE and
FLASH.
The U.S. military also used the letters, relabeled, in their now defunct Autovon phone system.[3] Here they were used before dialing the phone in order to give some calls priority, cutting in over existing calls if need be. The idea was to allow important traffic to get through every time. The levels of priority available were Flash Override (A), Flash (B), Immediate (C), and Priority (D), with Flash Override being the highest priority. Pressing one of these keys gave your call priority, overriding other conversations on the network. Pressing C, Immediate, before dialing would make the switch first look for any free lines, and if all lines were in use, it would disconnect any non-priority calls, and then any priority calls. Flash Override will kick every other call off the trunks between the origin and destination. Consequently, it was limited to the White House Communications Agency. Precedence dialing is still done on the military phone networks, but using number combinations (Example: Entering 93 before a number is a priority call) rather than the separate tones and the Government Emergency Telecommunications Service has superseded Autovon for any civilian priority telco access.
Present-day uses of the A, B, C and D keys on telephone networks are few, and exclusive to network control. For example, the A key is used on some networks to cycle through different carriers at will (thereby listening in on calls). Their use is probably prohibited by most carriers. The A, B, C and D tones are used in radio phone patch and repeater operations to allow, among other uses, control of the repeater while connected to an active phone line.
The *, #, A, B, C and D keys are still widely used worldwide by Amateur radio operators for repeater control, remote-base operations and VOIP-based communications systems.
DTMF tones are also used by some cable television networks and radio networks to signal the local cable company/network station to insert a local advertisement or station identification. These tones were often heard during a station ID preceding a local ad insert. Previously, terrestrial television stations also used DTMF tones to shut off and turn on remote transmitters.
DTMF signaling tones can also be heard at the start or end of some VHS (Video Home System) cassette tapes. Information on the master version of the video tape is encoded in the DTMF tone. The encoded tone provides information to automatic duplication machines, such as format, duration and volume levels, in order to replicate the original video as closely as possible.
DTMF tones are sometimes used in caller ID systems to transfer the caller ID information, however in the USA only Bell 202 modulated FSK signaling is used to transfer the data.
There is more you need to read.
Read
post #48 of ""Under God" Removed By Obama During Inaguration Pledge" and know that
we were warned of this.
This has been
planned for a VERY LONG TIME.
Obama is solely responsible for this.
Hillary claimed No Knowledge of gun running
and told Rand Paul he needed to ask the CIA.
Let's look at some of the facts.
Obama Arranged Benghazi Trip That Resulted In Murder Of US AMB Chris Stevens
Arms Flow to Syria May Be Behind Benghazi Cover-Up states: " During the 2011 Libyan revolt against Muammar Qaddafi, reckless U.S. policy flung American forces and money into the conflict on the side of the rebels, who were known at the time to include Al Qaeda elements. Previously the number two official at the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, Christopher Stevens was named as the official U.S. liaison to the Libyan opposition in March, 2011.
Stevens was tasked with helping to coordinate U.S. assistance to the rebels, whose top military commander, Abdelhakim Belhadj, was the leader of the Al Qaeda affiliate, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). That means that Stevens was authorized by the U.S. Department of State and the Obama administration to aid and abet individuals and groups that were, at a minimum, allied ideologically with Al Qaeda, the jihadist terrorist organization that attacked the homeland on the first 9/11, the one thats not supposed to exist anymore after the killing of its leader, Osama bin Laden, on May 2, 2011. "
Obama the arms broker to al-Qaeda states [this article is also well worth your time] : " Now we learn that Ambassador Chris Stevens’s mission in Benghazi on that fatal day was to organize the shipment of arms to the rebel militias in Syria.
And that means: the shipment of arms, by order of the President of the United States, to al-Qaeda,the terrorist organization which the President himself constantly declares to be the enemy of his country.
No wonder President Obama, Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and the rest of the stoats and weasels have been lying their heads off and trying to put the blame for the whole hideous and tragic episode – for what amounts to an act of war – on somebody’s little video. Scraping the bottom of the excuses-barrel.
The evidence suggests that the Obama administration has not simply been engaging, legitimating, enriching and emboldening Islamists who have now taken over or are ascendant in much of the Middle East.
Starting in March 2011, when American diplomat Christopher Stevens was designated the liaison to the “opposition” in Libya, the Obama administration has been arming them, including jihadists like Abdelhakim Belhadj, the leader of the al Qaeda franchise known as the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. "
SOURCES: SLAIN U.S. AMBASSADOR RECRUITED JIHADISTS
Egyptian officials say Stevens worked with Saudis against Assad
Was Syrian weapons shipment factor in ambassadors Benghazi visit? states: " Libyan-flagged vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on Sept. 6, just five days before Ambassador Chris Stevens, information management officer Sean Smith and former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed
On the night of Sept. 11, in what would become his last known public meeting, Stevens met with the Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and escorted him out of the consulate front gate one hour before the assault began at approximately 9:35 p.m. local time.
the timing and the meeting between the Turkish diplomat and Stevens was "unusual."
According to an initial Sept. 14 report by the Times of London, Al Entisar was carrying 400 tons of cargo.
The cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.
It was reported there was a fight about the weapons and who got what "between the free Syrian Army and the Muslim Brotherhood."
' The point is that both of these weapons systems are extremely accurate and very simple to use,' Fox News military analyst Col. David Hunt explained. He said the passage of weapons from Libya to Syria would escalate the conflict. ' With a short amount of instruction, you've got somebody capable of taking down any, any aircraft. Anywhere in the world. '
"
Rebel Arms Flow Is Said to Benefit Jihadists in Syria by New York Times
Why Libya Cover-Up: Obama Was Arming Al Qaeda & Islamists
Libya's missing weapons being smuggled into Gaza
Israeli intelligence is increasingly concerned about the quantity of Libyan arms flowing into Gaza.
Clinton asked for more security in Benghazi, Obama said no
How U.S. Amb. Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked to Jihadist Rebels in Syria (And It Involves Weapons) [Article has many links.]
Ed Klein: Bill Clinton encouraged Hillary to resign in the wake of the Benghazi scandal
Explain this: Ambassador Chris Stevens killed due to lack of security Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett gets Secret Service
Libyan Officials Claim US Was Warned 3 DAYS BEFORE Deadly Benghazi Consulate Attack
More details emerge on U.S. ambassador's last moments from CNN states: " Three days before the deadly assault on the United States consulate in Libya, a local security official says he met with American diplomats in the city and warned them about deteriorating security.
Jamal Mabrouk, a member of the February 17th Brigade, told CNN that he and a battalion commander had a meeting about the economy and security.
He said they told the diplomats that the security situation wasn't good for international business.
'The situation is frightening, it scares us,' Mabrouk said they told the U.S. officials. He did not say how they responded.
Mabrouk said it was not the first time he has warned foreigners about the worsening security situation in the face of the growing presence of armed jihadist groups in the Benghazi area. "
Guard at consulate in Libya says attack was coordinated
Egypt intelligence warns of attacks on Israel, US embassies
Blame Obama for Chris Stevens' murder
Backed by Barack Hussein Obama, Muslim Brotherhood gets ready to overthrow U.S.-ally King of Jordan
Obama Bypasses Congress, Gives $1.5 Billion to Muslim Brotherhood
ALDRICH: Hillary Clintons abominable national security record
History of incompetence and dangerous decisions
Obama not subject to charges of treason?
Benghazi: Symbol of Obama's Leadership
Obama Admits He Is A Muslim
So, let us remember.
Muslims are well know for lying about their faith.MUSLIMS are allowed to LIE and deceive NON MUSLIMS, if it benefits or protects ISLAM. Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."
Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.
Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"
Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"
Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
For a better understanding of the issue, read
HISTORY of Mohammed ( spelled variously; Mahomet, Muhammed, Mehmet, etc. ). then watch William Federer explain it, from Jan. 25, 2012 at CC Chino Hills, CA. It's a MUST WATCH for everyone,Christians, Athiests and even Muslims!
As retired military myself, I've seen the damage of "keeping secrets" about bad leaders.
Obama is EVIL, pure and simple.
Please watch
Glenn Beck with Trevor Loudon & his book "Barack Obama and the Enemies Within".
Then watch the 29 minute 13 seconds video
Trevor Loudon- An Urgent (and chilling) Message for America.
Obama may be
feigning "incompetence," thinking he's too sly, being a "
wolf in sheep's clothing" since his mentoring was from
Fabian Fascism..
Remember:" The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked : who can know it? "
The
"Establishment Republicans" will probably NOT want to IMPEACH the TREASONIST Barack Hussein Obama II.
But it's better for the country that Obama suffer the penalty, the strongest penalty for his actions, and his inactions.
Let's look at the
Presidential Oaths of Office.
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States,
and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
Now who among us really believes Obama did any of that ?
To Obama, that was
"Just words. Just speeches! "Damn him ! Damn him to hell !
I'll finish this with asking you to read
Watch the 18 minute 56 second documentary video
"Absolutely Uncertain" at
"theBLAZE.com" or on
YouTube.com, narrated by Irina, the 23-year-old Jewish New Yorker and a former Obama supporter .
One other suggestion, read
DID OBAMA WANT STEVENS DEAD? The language is a little abrasive, but spot on. Also read:
How U.S. Amb. Chris Stevens May Have Been Linked to Jihadist Rebels in Syria(And It Involves Weapons)
October 19, 2012
WASHINGTON, DC – SEPTEMBER 14: Intern Chris Jobson (R) and press assistant Isaiah Calvin (L) of Senate Democratic Media Center sign condolence book for Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens at the U.S. Capitol September 14, 2012 in Washington, DC.
This article by Michael Kelley originally appeared on Business Insider.
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posted on
05/16/2013 11:33:01 AM PDT
by
Yosemitest
(It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
To: blueunicorn6
And the more 0mozlem insults our military, the angrier they get, and eventually will do their duty, if necessary. IMHO.
47
posted on
05/16/2013 11:41:03 AM PDT
by
little jeremiah
(Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
To: ZX12R
re:
"That is why the other 30+ people are being kept from congress. "-ZX12R
Are all of them kept away? How many of the 30+ were CIA operatives?
To arrive at those posts, one would think they must share political ideology - and - one would assume that a certain percentage will remain firm as Tools committed to Muslim Brotherhood Expansionism.
"Obama was following through on an idea that had long been an article of faith on the left. The idea was that the United States had invested in a defunct status quo and that our biggest problems were our allies. The only way out was to toss them all overboard." ". . .problems in the region would go away if Israel somehow went away. But this was bigger. It involved dumping every single allied government in the region to start fresh with new governments elected through popular democracy and enjoying popular support. It would be a new beginning. And a new beginning was also the title of the Cairo speech. The idea wasnt new, but it was right up there with proposals to unilaterally abandon our nuclear arsenal or dedicate ten percent of the budget to foreign aid; ideas that a lot of diplomats liked, but that they knew no one would ever be crazy enough to pull the trigger on.
And then Obama tried to pull the trigger on two out of three. What he wanted was for the Brotherhood to win so that it could make the War on Terror irrelevant.
As dedicated progressives, such losses are dismissed as [nothing more than] disposable collateral carnage sacrificed at the altar of the Progressive/Muslim Brotherhood collective.
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posted on
05/16/2013 11:41:29 AM PDT
by
wtd
To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Where would you drop a smart-bomb? Onto the building where your people are holed up?-
Wherever the laser target designator tells it to go.
Using 250 lb JADMs you do very precise targeting at very close range
49
posted on
05/16/2013 11:44:49 AM PDT
by
rdcbn
How about this reason?
“That Crazy Benghazi Conspiracy Theory? It Just Got Less Crazy”
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/05/that-crazy-benghazi-conspiracy-theory.html
—But I do agree & you are correct. They DID have the MANPADs! There’s actually articles published from back then about it... One was about Putin catching the rebels with them & he was p***sed!
Of course these weren’t written by our American propaganda MSM news (except I think Alex Jones may have had a few)..Most were foreign though.
Obama has been funneling massive amounts of weapons for some time now, going on a year or so. I believe you should be able to find older links to various reports on that from the commieblaster.com website.
You do have to admit though, there’s a good chance that the conspiracy theory I linked to above may very well be a conspiracy fact.
50
posted on
05/16/2013 11:45:44 AM PDT
by
TabithaBliss
(Obama's a tyrant!)
To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
A couple of thoughts in response.
I have no knowledge of MANPADS operation but would assume it would be not be a threat to fighter jets cruising at high speed and low altitude in the cover of darkness.
You do raise a good question: Why was the stand down order given at a time when we had no reason to believe the ambassador had deceased?
51
posted on
05/16/2013 11:45:54 AM PDT
by
cornfedcowboy
(Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
To: mn-bush-man
52
posted on
05/16/2013 11:49:23 AM PDT
by
Osage Orange
(Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
To: Uncle Miltie
"What if the MANPADS were actually the Soviet made ones from Ghaddafis arsenal, and were being run by Stevens through Turkey to Al Qaeda in Syria? That would be treasonous."I'm not following your logic. Gun running Soviet made weapons the U.S. didn't pay for is treasonous, but not Gun running U.S. provided weapons?
53
posted on
05/16/2013 11:51:53 AM PDT
by
DannyTN
To: Uncle Miltie
"What if the MANPADS were actually the Soviet made ones from Ghaddafis arsenal, and were being run by Stevens through Turkey to Al Qaeda in Syria? That would be treasonous."I'm not following your logic. Gun running Soviet made weapons the U.S. didn't pay for is treasonous, but not Gun running U.S. provided weapons?
54
posted on
05/16/2013 11:51:53 AM PDT
by
DannyTN
To: Mat_Helm
No, shoulder fired missiles are line of sight, limited range, and IR seeking. They can be and are defeated by chaff and flare.You've contradicted yourself.
Flare not chaff.
Flare - IR
Chaff - RADAR
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posted on
05/16/2013 11:54:16 AM PDT
by
A.A. Cunningham
(Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
To: Linda Frances
That is why the other 30+ people are being kept from congress. They knew what was going on. I pray those people are ok27 of those people are CIA employees who have not been made available for interviews.
To: Yosemitest
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posted on
05/16/2013 11:58:07 AM PDT
by
frog in a pot
("To each according to his need..." This from a guy who never had a real job and his family starved.)
To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
'ey! How come you guys always presume that middle-class civilians know the military jargon What is a MANPAD. Is that like a Maxi with wings you guys use, or something?
Or do you guys just do that to show you're cool?
58
posted on
05/16/2013 12:05:03 PM PDT
by
righttackle44
(Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
To: DannyTN
The Syrian “Rebels”, a.k.a. Al Qaeda in Syria (a sub-component) are known to have recently come into possession of Soviet MANPADS.
Ghaddafi had Soviet MANPADS in his arsenal.
The Turks were (by several accounts) helping run Libyan guns to the “Rebels” From Benghazi.
It is a very short hop of the imagination to suggest that the U.S. laid its hands on lots of plausibly deniable Soviet MANPADs in Libya, and shipped them through Turkey to Al Qaeda in Syria.
The “Rebels” have been shooting down Assad’s copters with them. There is video on Youtube. There are lots of pictures of Jihadis with MANPADs in Syria.
So, while U.S. Stingers would put a bigger fingerprint of Uncle Sam on the shipment, supplying Soviet MANPADs that came under our control is just as bad. It’s just a touch more deniable for Hussein.
59
posted on
05/16/2013 12:08:26 PM PDT
by
Uncle Miltie
(WHO IS ON THE ENEMIES LIST?)
To: DannyTN
60
posted on
05/16/2013 12:09:16 PM PDT
by
Uncle Miltie
(WHO IS ON THE ENEMIES LIST?)
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