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1 posted on 05/16/2013 10:53:15 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

What if the MANPADS were actually the Soviet made ones from Ghaddafi’s arsenal, and were being run by Stevens through Turkey to Al Qaeda in Syria?

That would be treasonous.

And a reason big enough for infinite stonewalling and cover ups.


2 posted on 05/16/2013 10:54:57 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (WHO IS ON THE ENEMIES LIST?)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
They could have dropped a smart-bomb from an altitude far beyond the reach of a shoulder-fired missile.
3 posted on 05/16/2013 10:56:45 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to detonate anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

That is why the other 30+ people are being kept from congress. They knew what was going on. I pray those people are ok. But, someone must have their names besides the adminstration and state dept. Where are the family members?


4 posted on 05/16/2013 10:57:09 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

It would have been impossible for “terrorists” to have used them since king hussein has declared them to no longer to exist. Kind of like “Mission Accomplished”.


5 posted on 05/16/2013 10:59:28 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Here is a tweet from last night sent by Michael Reagan:

@ReaganWorld: Maybe Obama lies about Bengazi to hide the reason why Ambassador Stevens was murdered...Maybe Bengazi was a murder disguised as terror....


8 posted on 05/16/2013 11:01:15 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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MANPADS are useless at lowlevel NIGHTIME stealth chuted anti-personnel munitions FLYBYES?
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10 posted on 05/16/2013 11:02:05 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.))
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

It’s not like those kinds of missiles didn’t exist in Iraq or Afghanistan. Our forces are used to dealing with those things.


11 posted on 05/16/2013 11:03:50 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" is more than an Army Ranger credo it's the character of America.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

And very astute thoughts they are....


15 posted on 05/16/2013 11:06:40 AM PDT by nesnah
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

For the benefit of the acronymically challenged like me, what is a MANPAD?


19 posted on 05/16/2013 11:10:10 AM PDT by mn-bush-man
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Snipes and grenades would have worked.


23 posted on 05/16/2013 11:13:27 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

The forces on the ground (in the Annex) were also told to stand down.


26 posted on 05/16/2013 11:13:54 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
No, shoulder fired missiles are line of sight, limited range, and IR seeking. They can be and are defeated by chaff and flare. Strike equipped aircraft could also flown over at a safe altitude and speed so as to make MANPADS ineffective. F-16’s could have been equipped with stand off weapons as well and annex personnel had radio communication and laser targeting capability. Aircraft could have been in the air in less than an hour and over target in less than two hours and tanked up by NATO or other assets in theater in time to be utilized. Military reports have only come from those hand picked that report directly to the President including the SECDEF. Their lies will eventually be revealed.
27 posted on 05/16/2013 11:14:48 AM PDT by Mat_Helm
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I feel very confident that we have people in the United States Navy, Marines and Air Force who know how to mitigate threats when they plan a mission. Hillary and Obama knew that there would be risks when they decided to use the US military to overthrow the Libyan government, but they went ahead and did it anyway. And there were no American lives at stake then. So, when American lives are at stake, 40 of them, they get cold feet? Bulls**t. And, lest we forget, a rescue aircraft did make it to Benghazi that night. A C-47. Look it up. It’s a WWII propellor driven transport aircraft. They flew that in with no problems, but our modern, jet-propelled aircraft with sophisticated countermeasures can’t go in? Bulls**t. We even had a drone overhead providing real time intelligence and friendly eyes on the ground with communications. Saying we couldn’t send in aircraft because we didn’t know how much change the enemy had in his pockets is bulls**t. It’s an excuse and it’s insulting to every American who ever served in our armed forces.


32 posted on 05/16/2013 11:16:59 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

very interesting comments
how is b.o. doing in bringing the perpetrators to justice??


35 posted on 05/16/2013 11:18:50 AM PDT by genghis
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius

Apologist!


43 posted on 05/16/2013 11:27:19 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama abandoned the defenders in Benghazi - They died; he lied.)
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0bama wanted this whole thing to just go away from the get-go. HE was worried about HIS re-election and didn't give a damn about anyone in Benghazi. Disgustingly, he departed the WH the following morning to fund raise in Las Vegas for HIS re-election.

The reason the FBI wasn't allowed into Benghazi was 1) 0bama was trying to STALL findings until AFTER the election, because 2) THE FBI MIGHT FIND EVIDENCE THAT WE WERE ATTACKED WITH THE VERY SAME WEAPONS HILLARY SUPPLIED TO THE TERRORISTS FOR USE IN SYRIA.

Worrying about MANPADs is a possibility, but there are 'stand off' weapons we could've fired precisely at a target from great distances. We could've lobbed some serious artillery on the terrorists checkpoints and it would only take one to get them to scatter like rats. ONE FULL AFTERBURNER FLY-BY OF A STRIPPED DOWN F-16 COULD'VE ENDED THE ATTACK. THE TERRORISTS WOULD FLEE, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S COMING NEXT..

The point is, 0bama sacrificed American lives over HIS political concerns, then LIED about it. His entire administration went into 'cover-up' mode. Victoria Nuland's only concern was HOW THIS WOULD AFFECT 0BAMA'S CAMPAIGN. Susan Rice lied. Hillary Clinton lied before Congress.

When Americans are attacked by terrorists, what does 0bama do? 0bama thinks of how he can downplay or minimize what the terrorists have done. This alone puts all Americans in danger and is alone grounds for his IMPEACHMENT. His incessant need to protect terrorists is treasonous. His stand down order in Benghazi is INDEFENSIBLE.

44 posted on 05/16/2013 11:28:19 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Military Scramble Order Overseas, How They Work
First, I've got over 26 years working in military control towers, most of them as the watch supervisor/crew chief on duty.
Scrambling aircraft to respond to urgent situations normally starts at the North American Aerospace Defense Command.
The scramble order comes down through a secured phone call on a direct line.
In the attack on the U.S. embassy on Benghazi, the drone control would have been from MacDill AFB, FL, by U.S. Central Command, and would have been in direct contact, or maybe even remote control to the situation room in the White House.
Watch this 4 minute 48 second video Inside the Situation Room.
The pResident SHOULD HAVE issued to order to scramble fighters to Benghazi, to get there in minimum time.
Then he SHOULD HAVE issued a second order scrambling AC-130 gunships to respond to Benghazi, and have them stand by for more orders. This should have been controlled by the pResident, who should have monitored and responded with guidance from his Situation Room, Read
Here's one more piece of information.
Like Rush said:

Now we know that Obama was in the room watching Benghazi attack live.

I know from experience in the government (over 30 years) that the communication system allows for IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION to the SITUATION ROOM,
as well as other agencies, of notification of a critical situation such as this.
I'm sure technology has changed and only gotten better since I retired, but read this with focus onFLASH OVERRIDE and FLASH.
There is more you need to read.
Read post #48 of ""Under God" Removed By Obama During Inaguration Pledge" and know that we were warned of this.


This has been planned for a VERY LONG TIME.
Obama is solely responsible for this.
Hillary claimed “No Knowledge” of gun running
and told Rand Paul he needed to ask the CIA
.


Let's look at some of the facts.
So, let us remember. For a better understanding of the issue, read HISTORY of Mohammed ( spelled variously; Mahomet, Muhammed, Mehmet, etc. ). then watch William Federer explain it, from Jan. 25, 2012 at CC Chino Hills, CA. It's a MUST WATCH for everyone,Christians, Athiests and even Muslims!

As retired military myself, I've seen the damage of "keeping secrets" about bad leaders.
Obama is EVIL, pure and simple.
Please watch Glenn Beck with Trevor Loudon & his book "Barack Obama and the Enemies Within".
Then watch the 29 minute 13 seconds video Trevor Loudon- An Urgent (and chilling) Message for America.

Obama may be feigning "incompetence," thinking he's too sly, being a "wolf in sheep's clothing" since his mentoring was from Fabian Fascism..
The "Establishment Republicans" will probably NOT want to IMPEACH the TREASONIST Barack Hussein Obama II.
But it's better for the country that Obama suffer the penalty, the strongest penalty for his actions, and his inactions.
Let's look at the Presidential Oaths of Office.
Now who among us really believes Obama did any of that ?
To Obama, that was "Just words. Just speeches! "
Damn him ! Damn him to hell !

I'll finish this with asking you to read Watch the 18 minute 56 second documentary video "Absolutely Uncertain" at "theBLAZE.com" or on YouTube.com, narrated by Irina, the 23-year-old “Jewish New Yorker” and a former Obama supporter .

One other suggestion, read DID OBAMA WANT STEVENS DEAD?
The language is a little abrasive, but spot on. Also read:
46 posted on 05/16/2013 11:33:01 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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How about this reason?
“That Crazy Benghazi Conspiracy Theory? It Just Got Less Crazy”
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/05/that-crazy-benghazi-conspiracy-theory.html

—But I do agree & you are correct. They DID have the MANPADs! There’s actually articles published from back then about it... One was about Putin catching the rebels with them & he was p***sed!

Of course these weren’t written by our American propaganda MSM news (except I think Alex Jones may have had a few)..Most were foreign though.

Obama has been funneling massive amounts of weapons for some time now, going on a year or so. I believe you should be able to find older links to various reports on that from the commieblaster.com website.

You do have to admit though, there’s a good chance that the conspiracy theory I linked to above may very well be a conspiracy fact.


50 posted on 05/16/2013 11:45:44 AM PDT by TabithaBliss (Obama's a tyrant!)
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A couple of thoughts in response.

I have no knowledge of MANPADS operation but would assume it would be not be a threat to fighter jets cruising at high speed and low altitude in the cover of darkness.

You do raise a good question: Why was the stand down order given at a time when we had no reason to believe the ambassador had deceased?


51 posted on 05/16/2013 11:45:54 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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'ey! How come you guys always presume that middle-class civilians know the military jargon What is a MANPAD. Is that like a Maxi with wings you guys use, or something?

Or do you guys just do that to show you're cool?
58 posted on 05/16/2013 12:05:03 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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