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You know what the world has figured out? The metric system. It’s time the US got on board.
Scientific American ^ | 08/22/2013 | David Wogan

Posted on 08/22/2013 6:49:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

I’ve met a lot of people and learned a lot while traveling Europe the past several weeks. Of all the things I have had to explain to fellow travels as not only an American – but a Texan – by far the most frustrating thing is our stubborn refusal to embrace the metric system. I can confidently argue the finer points of how the use of y’all and the plural form all y’all are descriptive and have a place in the American lexicon. I take pleasure in explaining the intricacies of chicken fried foods.

But the metric system is another matter. “I don’t understand why y’all don’t use the metric system” is something I’ve heard too often. I don’t argue with them because there is no technical argument for why we haven’t adopted the Système Internationale – our refusal is based on emotion and familiarity.

Our choice of unit system is perhaps more important now than in recent years. Science is conducted using the language of SI units. If we want to have a scientifically literate populace, we should make sure that scientists and non-scientists speak the same language. In terms of national competitiveness, Americans are competing on a global market of information now more than ever. We are at a disadvantage by not speaking the international language of science at a time when we are struggling with truly global issues like climate change and resource depletion.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology, the government arm that sets standards and measurements to support American competitiveness, concludes that “the current effort toward national metrification is based on the conclusion that industrial and commercial productivity, mathematics and science education, and the competitiveness of American products and services in world markets, will be enhanced by completing the change to the metric system of units. Failure to complete the change will increasingly handicap the Nation’s industry and economy.”

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To: SeekAndFind

Given the state of our education system and schools spending more time teaching self estime and the global warming cult rather than real science I don’t see this happening. If millions of low information people (morons) voted for Obama there is little hope they could figure out the metric system.


141 posted on 08/22/2013 8:52:23 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: 6ppc
Why do you think proposing a BETTER measurement system is liberal?

In and of itself, it isn't. But, I'm not convinced it is better for non-scientific uses. Are you?

142 posted on 08/22/2013 8:54:46 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Billthedrill

I agree the metric system is easier and better, but so is driving on the right side of the road with the steering wheel on the right side.

And I don’t see them willing to change.

What’s good for the goose...


143 posted on 08/22/2013 8:54:52 AM PDT by skinndogNN
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To: Mr. Lucky
Hos about the fact that most Americans don’t much like being told what they must do?

Ok...let's let everyone use whatever measuring system they prefer. I kind of like furlongs per fortnight for measuring speed.

You are basically saying that we are not now being told what we must do? I don't like the English system but you are telling me I have no choice but to use it.

144 posted on 08/22/2013 8:55:11 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: Pecos
American businesses use metric measurements when it suits their economic purposes, as they should. The government already controls enough of our economy - we need no more czars in our lives.

That's exactly correct. Americans have already adopted metric standards where they make the most sense - primarily in manufacturing, where base 10 values provide a consistent means of developing and maintaining quality standards and performance metrics.

But you know what they say: "Give 'em an inch, they'll take 0.9144 meters".

145 posted on 08/22/2013 8:57:12 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: davisfh
Instances wherein your life may hang in the balance abound.

Such as atmospheric braking when landing on Mars? ;^)

Many terrestrial examples, but that one sprang to mind.

146 posted on 08/22/2013 8:59:42 AM PDT by 6ppc (It's torch and pitchfork time)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dave, you’re welcome to stay in Europe. Don’t let the door hit you on the way back out.


147 posted on 08/22/2013 9:02:07 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Transitions between systems like this are another way we generally get screwed.

I like paying for stuff by the gallon, for instance. Start paying by the liter and it won’t be long before some half-wit says, “Two dollars a liter isn’t that bad, is it?”

If the US REALLY wanted to go, they’d have to start with sports first. American Football would have to go to meters from yards. Baseball diamonds wouldn’t be 90 feet per base path any more. Basketball hoops would not be 10 feet off the floor any more.

So culturally, transition would be difficult. If it happens, the effect will be MASSIVELY INFLATIONARY.

Try buying a pint or half gallon of ice cream any more, for example.

The opportunity for that transition will occur when we have an effective replacement for the internal combustion engine. As long as we are buying gas (and milk) by the gallon, the days of buying by the liter are a long way off.


148 posted on 08/22/2013 9:03:23 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Resolute Conservative
Oh, so the English System is now the American System.... nice.

At least for liquid measures, the American system has some differences from the English system. An English pint is 20 ounces. An English gallon is just shy of 154 U.S. ounces.

That said, the U.S. system for liquids is actually based (per Wikipedia) on the pre-1824 English system for wine measurement. We expanded and standardized on it separately.

I find it ironic that the folks in the 18th century didn't complain about changing from livres to lira to guineas to pounds to dollars, or from English to French to U.S. measurements, and now that we have computers that make it far more exact (except that computers still stink at many fractions), everyone wants to unify measurements and currencies.

I half expect someone (besides Napoleon) to chew out God for picking a prime number for the length of a week!
149 posted on 08/22/2013 9:04:31 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: 6ppc
The government now tells you not to measure by the metric system?

Roads in the Midwest are laid out on section lines or half lines. In our world, the centerline to centerline of two parallel roads is 1 mile, 320 rods or 5280 feet apart. If in your world the distance is 1,609.344 meters, great. Use whatever system is easiest for you.

150 posted on 08/22/2013 9:06:31 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Resolute Conservative

I have a number of fine, non-snooty Brit friends. But the amount of anti-Americanism I’ve run into there in the past few years, especially in London, has removed England from my future travel plans.


151 posted on 08/22/2013 9:10:36 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: 6ppc
I recall an incident, but not the details of the incident, wherein a jet airliner was loaded out with fuel a number of years ago. This recollection may or may not be accurate in every detail, but as I recall, the people fueling the airliner were asked to load it with "liters" of fuel instead of gallons. Or perhaps it was kilos versus pounds. In any case, the error that they created was very large and the airliner ran out of fuel somewhere up in Canada, I believe. The pilot succeeded in landing the craft on a drags-strip which was in use at the time. Fortunately, some of the people using the strip saw the airliner making its approach and cleared the strip.

This is what I had in mind when I made my comment concerning one's life hanging in the balance. There are many cases where it is very important that people making technical decisions have a clear understanding of the relationships (or lack thereof) between the English measurement system and the Metric system or System International.

152 posted on 08/22/2013 9:15:08 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: Bernard Marx

After six years of Obama, I get the anti-American sentiment. He pissed on their contribution to the WOT. Send back Churchill’s bust (Churchill’s mother was American - not a lot of people know that).

Right now, the WORST friend you can have in the world is the USA. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and ISRAEL have formed an alliance (they call themselves ‘the axis of reason’), in which they vow to replace the aid that the US is ready to cancel in Egypt.

Saudi Arabia doesn’t even recognize Israel as a nation.

I’m telling you, we deserve what we are getting, and the downfall is going to be brutal here.

Don’t even get me started on QE. The rest of the world sees it just shy of an act of war. We make contracts with countries, then pay them back in watered down dollars. We make exports from their countries more expensive.

Our press here is death-penalty complicit in covering this shyte up too. Fox included.


153 posted on 08/22/2013 9:17:48 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Mastador1
The pumps were changed to charge per liter, in the same vein manufacturers of commercial products slowly began introducing packaging, beverages,by weight and liquid in both Metric and US measurement so as to give the population time to make a smooth progression into the Magic of Metric-land. But the progression/change-over never took place, because the US customers were reluctant to letting it be forced on them and eventually it just died out.

An interesting side note is the catastrophic end to the Martian Orbiter in a joint venture with US and Europe. While the landing team in Europe was providing changes in speed and distance that was in Metric, their US counterparts measuring with our system, causing the spacecraft to crash when it got to low in the atmosphere.

154 posted on 08/22/2013 9:22:50 AM PDT by lbryce (The 22nd Amendment Lives:1148 Days Until America's Greatest Nemesis Gets the Heave "Ho")
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To: SeekAndFind

The Brits still use mph instead of kilometers. If it’s good enough for the royal family, it’s good enough for me.


155 posted on 08/22/2013 9:22:54 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: 6ppc

In many ways you do have no choice but to use it. At least when that’s what is being used. Highway markers are in miles, gas pumps are in gallons, fruit and meat is sold by the pound. Of course soda is in liters, automotive tools are almost all metric now, hard liquor is in liters. We have the best of both worlds, we use the measurement system that works best in that situation, even if “best” is only defined by tradition.


156 posted on 08/22/2013 9:26:27 AM PDT by discostu (Go do the voodoo that you do so well.)
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To: Bernard Marx

My Brit bro-in-law brags about how much mpg he gets by the imperial gallon which is slightly different than a U.S. gallon.


157 posted on 08/22/2013 9:27:04 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: TheMightyQuinn
I guess using the imperial system has become a symbol of American defiance against the rest of the world.

I guess you could say that it is a measure of American exceptional-ism.

I can never understand people who insist that Americans, owners of super power status, one time highest standards of living, outstanding achievements in medical, scientific, and industrial fields, so on and so forth, change the way they do things, so that we are like the rest of the world.

In the world I live in, the right and proper choice is to emulate success, not replace it with something not quite as good.

158 posted on 08/22/2013 9:30:56 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: SeekAndFind

NO DAMN WAY!!


159 posted on 08/22/2013 9:37:20 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: DManA

I say we kick you out!


160 posted on 08/22/2013 9:41:46 AM PDT by dalereed
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