Posted on 08/27/2013 11:55:44 AM PDT by Mr. K
Breaking Bad discussion here Last week was episode 511
Oh yeah...TV and movie fantasies for the bored and easily amused...As the tourist from places like hogjaw Kansas line up to gawk at the limos...
Something for everyone!
I haven’t watched it yet, I will tonight. Everything I read about it before last night’s episode indicated the last two would be 75 minutes.
Of course, with AMC, that could mean 10 minutes of commercials for Low Winter Sun, and 5 extra minutes of actual footage.
um... huh?
I don’t know, if you really look at it a lot of the show is built on massive coincidences. Hank just happened to take Walt on a ride along when they were busting a former student of Walt’s, who just happened to slip out of the DEA net, and just happened to get spotted and recognized by Walt. Walt just happened to belly up to the bar next to Jane’s dad and the subsequent plane crash just happened to be over Walt’s neighborhood. I think probably 1/3 of Saul’s dialog includes the phrase “I just happen to know a guy”.
And I don’t think killing the girl was gratuitous violence. It justifies Jesse remaining a willing prisoner for months, Brock’s safety is very important to him, killing her puts the stakes fully in his mind. Also at this point in the narrative killing a character serves a purpose with the audience, it tells the audience none of the characters are guaranteed to walk out of this, it’s the writers announcing that since this is the end they are under no obligations to be kind to their characters or leave enough behind to continue a story.
hank wanted walt/heisenberg so bad he effed up and got himself and gomie killed. he wasn’t gong to say anything about that to skylar. he uses people all the way to his death without regard, to get heisenberg/walt.
ricin could now be more plausible for gretchen and elliot.
originally thought it was for lydia somehow in the tea for skylar’s threat.
machine gun for jack and todd and crew.
during this jesse kills todd. walt kills the rest. then they see each other,’and mortally wound each other.
remember scarface - everyone dies in this one.
I see your point. I guess all fiction is like that. I just thought the GrayMatter interview was really a stretch. But I was disappointed with the whole episode, not just that.
The more I think about it, I think I was hoping for some kind of redemption for one or more of the main characters. I didn’t realize I had those hopes, but now I see that is what I was expecting. But this show is about badness and its consequences, not redemption. I expect the last episode will be awfully sickening and sad, just like this one was.
Honestly, I felt sick throughout the entire episode (except the beginning with Saul — love that character.) The execution on the front porch looked like something one might see online taped by the savages in the Middle East. And Jesse has been through enough. How much more does the guy have to endure? I guess I have a soft spot for the kid, because he has been shown to have such a good heart.
I am sick of Walt however, and his end can’t come fast enough. What a sick and twisted mess he has become.
I want to know who gets to kill Todd. Someone needs to go all Old Yeller on that boy.
no i only picked up jack’s anger because jesse ratted out todd by name to the feds.
Family has been the theme of the entire series.
This is what men do. They provide for their families, even if they aren’t loved for it. They just do. it.
That’s how Fring put it to him, I think.
One question not really being discussed much is what makes a man any more? They don’t marry like they used to, nor do they have careers, or strive to make something of themselves - leave something behind.
Every man of stature in this series has died leaving nothing behind, except to the government, which is itself a gang.
Ozymandias speaks directly to this - the poem about the statue and the inscription beneath it. Walt’s coughing fit attempting to intimidate Saul was the direct reference here. Even the gutless Saul, who in the recent past cowered beneath the visage of Heisenberg, simply grabbed his luggage and walked out of the series.
Walt desires worship. Self preservation’s never been high on his list of his priorities.
I believe tonight they may overtly try to tie in his Heisenberg handle to his character.
Aside from being a Nazi, Heisenberg’s notable for his contribution to quantum theory - his Uncertainty Principle.
One can only know EITHER the position OR the speed (momentum) of a particle, but never both simultaneously. You could never know the certainty of both. The more precisely you knew the position, the less precisely you could know the momentum, and vice versa.
I’m surprised Ezekiel hasn’t been invoked - nothing new under the sun, all is vanity, a time to kill, etc.
they are showing that walt and jesse are on dual paths.
bothare in holes in the ground, one by necessity, one involuntarily.
both want to leave them, don’t want to be there.
both want to kill a bunch of people. revenge.
both have lost their families/loved ones.
they both in the end wind up going against jack and todd, jesse gets todd, walt gets the skinheads, and then they take out each other.
more so he was pissed b/c of jesse working with hank, hank is now dead - he attributes that to jesse. so he told him about jane as a response to jesse getting hank killed.
it shows gretchen and elliot as being exploitative and willing to use Walt as a means to an end for their own ‘sainthood’. they obviously lied in the interview as the party had multiple people talking about walt’s brilliance at problem solving and we also know walt had at least one patent.
which may lend some credence to the bad feelings and the way walt remembers things going down at Gray Matter, he may be right they screwed him out of things.
ricin - either in lyia’s tea, or gretchen and elliot get’it before he visits jack and todd.
Walt has no idea Jesse is still alive, does he? Last he knew Todd and Co. were going to interrogate Jesse and then kill him. I do think Walt will end up freeing Jesse inadvertently when he attacks the neo-nazi dudes.
When you get right down to it, this whole mess got started because Hank had to be the big shot at a family gathering. Without him showing those DEA videos of meth lab busts, it's unlikely that Walt would've ever connected the dots between meth and his need to provide for his family.
Yep, a federal agent is to blame for all this carnage. Works for me.
I’m they’re picking up the Gray Matter thing because that’s a thread they put out there in season 1 and have mostly ignored since then. We know there’s definitely 2 versions of the story because the Schwarz’s don’t seem to have a problem with Walt, from what we’ve seen they like him, were willing to give him money, even seemed to want to bring him back into the company. But Walt is very much against all that, there was some vague hint he didn’t like the direction the company went, but it has never been explained even a little.
Walt got the tip Jesse was alive when they mentioned his trademark Blue crystal was back on the street and in Europe. Jesse is the only one who could get close to the quality.
Ahhhhh...Thanks! That clue went right over my head.
yes but the interview showed that because of their lying about walt not contributing anything to gray matter except the name - which is a blatant lie, he solved the critical problem they were having and that is probably what the patent he has is related to - it shows the schwartzes are not the saints we were led to believe either.
every character of value on this show,you see their realness because you see their flaws and shortcomings, which lead to their undoing.
The episode was well done but I dislike the writers bringing back characters that they visited very briefly years ago as an important piece of the Final Solution puzzle.
BTW is it only me or does anyone else feel that the killer of Jane Margolis was JESSE not Walter. Jesse acquired the drugs and help her shoot them into her veins. While Walter could have POSSIBLY saved Jane by turning her head it was Jesse that killed her!
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