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Family: Louisiana Police stun father as son died in house fire
ConnectTriStates ^ | 11/01/2013 | Kris Wernowsky

Posted on 11/06/2013 8:32:18 AM PST by Rusty0604

LOUISIANA, MO. -- The Missouri State Fire Marshal continues its investigation into an early morning Thursday fire that took the life of a 3-year-old Louisiana, Mo. boy. A city police officer stunned Riley's stepfather Ryan Miller with a Taser gun three times as he tried to enter the burning house. Lori Miller, Riley's grandmother, said police stunned Ryan Miller as he tried to get back in the house.

“He tried to get back in the house to get the baby,” Lori Miller said. “They took my son to jail because he tried to save his son.”

Ryan Miller's sister-in-law doesn't think the police handled the situation correctly.

"It's just heartless. How could they be so heartless? And while they all just stood around and waited for the fire department, what kind of police officer wouldn't try and save a three year old burning in a house?" said Emily Miller. "We've been going through pictures and he's just smiling in every picture. He was just a happy, go-lucky kid."

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TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: assault; lawenforcement; leo; missouri; police
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To: dragnet2

Well said.


41 posted on 11/06/2013 9:11:48 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Rusty0604

I demand the right to die trying to save my kid. It doesn’t take a panel to make that decision for me. Woe unto anyone trying to stop me.


42 posted on 11/06/2013 9:13:04 AM PST by NonValueAdded (It's not the penalty, it's the lack of coverage on 1 Jan. Think about it.)
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To: trisham

I understand your point, but it does not give then an excuse for bad behavior. The absolutely rampant abuse of steroids by LEOs is probabaly a bigger contributing factor than anything coming in from the culture. ‘Roid rage looks bad on anybody.


43 posted on 11/06/2013 9:15:41 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: Rusty0604

The cop should have just turned his head and crossed his fingers.

But you know what? The man is alive and now has the cop to blame which is better than being dead or Alive and riddled by guilt for the rest of his life.


44 posted on 11/06/2013 9:20:06 AM PST by Usagi_yo
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To: KarlInOhio
Indeed.

So the consensus on the thread is:

(1) The cop should have committed suicide by walking into an inferno or

(2) Should have watched someone else commit suicide by walking into an inferno.

Many deep, analytical thinkers here.

45 posted on 11/06/2013 9:23:27 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Usagi_yo
The man is alive and now has the cop to blame which is better than being dead or Alive and riddled by guilt for the rest of his life.

Yeah, poor guy, he'll have to retire at 50 years old with $80,000 per year...In fact with all this stress, like so many others in government, he'll likely do a medical retirement and add another 40k a year to his pension to help him get through this.

46 posted on 11/06/2013 9:27:25 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: KarlInOhio
Another observation: the biological mother of the child fled the house without the child and did not go back in to save him.

However, she feels entitled to blame the cop for not going inside and for preventing the child's stepfather from not going inside.

No way she was burning to death - but her husband and the cop should have.

47 posted on 11/06/2013 9:29:14 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Once again, it was not the cop's call to make. Or anyone else's.

Police are mere public servants. We don't pay them to play god.

48 posted on 11/06/2013 9:29:34 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: jboot

yes, it is.

What good will a dead father be to his other child?


49 posted on 11/06/2013 9:30:35 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: NonValueAdded
You can demand that imaginary "right" all you want.

It does not relieve anyone else from the moral responsibility he has to prevent you from killing yourself.

50 posted on 11/06/2013 9:32:03 AM PST by wideawake
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To: KarlInOhio

Nope, it’s nothing like you see on TV is it.

When I was in high school a friend of mine and I got 3 people out of a burning house.

Man, his wife, and 5yo grandson.

We would get them out and they would go back inside.

Got the old man out 3 times, the old woman 4 times, and the 5yo kid 3 times.

Old woman kept telling the kid to go back to bed.

Fire was in the back of the house and there was a closed door between the back of the house and the front.

I went back in one last time to make sure no one else had gone back in again when the fire burned through the door.

I didn’t make it through the screen door on my own, the fire ball blew me through the screen door.

The whole house was one big fireball in seconds.

I agree with you, too many people get their idea of reality from TV.


51 posted on 11/06/2013 9:33:19 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: jboot
The cop - not even as a badge-wearer but as a human being - has his own decision to make: should I let this guy kill himself, or should I prevent him from killing himself?

A decent human being does not stand around and watch someone kill himself and no one can tell me or anyone else that I have any obligation to just watch a suicide and do nothing about it.

52 posted on 11/06/2013 9:35:28 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Vendome

Not the cop’s call to make. He doesn’t own this man or his family.


53 posted on 11/06/2013 9:36:01 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: jboot; Vendome
Not the cop’s call to make.

Repeating a morally flawed statement three, or even three hundred, times does not magically make it unflawed.

54 posted on 11/06/2013 9:38:14 AM PST by wideawake
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To: IMR 4350

Did they keep returning because they wanted to salvage property, or because they were too unintelligent/mentally incapacitated by age/smoke inhalation/illness to realize they were returning to a deathtrap?


55 posted on 11/06/2013 9:40:54 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
There was no guarantee that the father was going to die in the attempt. No one can say for certain exactly what would have happened had he gone in.

And while we are on the sublject of decent human beings, a decent human being would have tried to save the child. Our erstwhile cop instead assaulted the only person on the scene willing to do so.

56 posted on 11/06/2013 9:42:54 AM PST by jboot (Ask me again after the revolution.)
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To: wideawake
You can demand that imaginary "right" all you want. It does not relieve anyone else from the moral responsibility he has to prevent you from killing yourself

The man was on his own property trying to save his child. What was his crime that made a father`s rights "imaginary"? And have you told your children that under a cop`s orders, you`d see them burn?

57 posted on 11/06/2013 9:47:03 AM PST by Anton.Rutter
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To: G Larry

I’m sorry as a former LEO I would take my pound of flesh from this guy and damn the consequences.


58 posted on 11/06/2013 9:49:49 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: jboot

I think we agree. I don’t think it gives LEOs an excuse for bad behaviour either.


59 posted on 11/06/2013 9:50:00 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Vendome

You are insane. Nobody has the right to keep you from entering a burning house to save your child. The offending officer wold pay the price from me personally first chance I got and I’ll fade the heat in court.


60 posted on 11/06/2013 9:51:53 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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