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Posted on 11/15/2013 7:57:17 AM PST by rktman
According to the Worldwatch Institute, the US Department of Agriculture Secretary, Tom Vilsack, is pushing for an increase of the current maximum of 10.2% ethanol in gasoline to 15-20%. Much of that is supposed to come from corn and, later, from cellulose (wood).
Under the current federal “Renewable Fuel Standard” the US is already slated to increase its use of biofuels from 9 billion gallons in 2008 to 36 billion gallons by 2022. That standard does not even include the proposed increase of the ethanol content of common gasoline.
The proposed revision would be a really bad idea and let me tell you why.
(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...
post your source.
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Well played.
A auto mechanic with 30 years of experience, a small engine shop with over 50 years of experience, and according to what I’ve read on the net it has less (not none) ethanol. Some states and Canada have no ethanol in their premium gas.
Thank you for your source. It has to be true.
When is comes to Ethanol the ignorance and stupidity on this board rivals that of D.U. I am not at all apposed to oil, however the supply of fossil fuel on this planet is finite and eventually we will be forced by economics to develop alternative fuel sources. Plant based ethanol and biodiesel are two promising replacements for fossil fuel. Better get used to it and if we can cut out our use of oil from the muzzies all the better.
And I keep asking why? Burning food for food is stupid. Eats gas lines, less fuel mileage, why?
to be for this your must have a $ for your pocket.
I agree. I read your posts.
The problem is that the energy cost is *negative*. It takes more oil to produce ethanol than if you just burned it as gasoline in your car.
One gallon of gasoline produces 114,000 BTUs of energy. One gallon of ethanol produces 76,000 BTUs, or about 2/3rds of that.
When you factor in extraction, shipping, and refining, it takes roughly 22,000 BTU to make a gallon of gasoline.
When you plant, grow, harvest, ship, cook, and distill the corn it takes about 98,000 BTU to make a gallon of ethanol.
Wait, but doesn’t ethanol produce only 76,000 BTUs? That means there is an energy deficit of 22,000 BTUs.
That’s right. Making corn ethanol actually uses *more* oil than if you just shipped it to the refinery in the first place and burned it in your car.
What kind of idiots would think up of something like this?
Oh yeah, the government. Nevermind.
Source:
http://www.phoenixprojectfoundation.us/uploads/The_Many_Problems_of_Ethanol.pdf
Ethanol land requirements: Approximately 50 gallons of ethanol are produced per acre of corn. Thus 2.8 billion acres of land would be required to generate 140 billion gallons of fuel used in the USA annually, which is more than 5 times all of the cropland that is actually and potentially available for all crops in the USA.
Ethanol water requirements: 8,360 gallons of water are needed per equivalent gallon of gasoline in the form of ethanol. 140 billion gallons of gasoline are consumed in the USA annually, times 8,360 gallons of water, divided by 325,851gallons per acre foot (AF), equals 3.59 billion AF of water annually. Note that the USA currently consumes approximately 500 million AF per year. Thus to displace gasoline with ethanol would require over 6 times more water that is currently used for agriculture and all other purposes.
Or would could eat the corn and drill our own oil. But that requires getting government out of the way.
It's also interesting we didn't run out oil as predicted multiple time through the last 50 years or so.
You might find this interesting too: http://economics.about.com/cs/macroeconomics/a/run_out_of_oil.htm
And be sure to recycle the poor people.
From my understanding, some of the by-products of fuel ethanol production have significant value which is ignored by analyses such as you describe. I have not seen anything which quantifies such value, however, and thus don’t really know whether the value of such by-products is sufficient or insufficient to make ethanol production generate at least marginal value (though perhaps not enough value as to justify the capital expenditures required). What do you know about the value of ethanol by-products?
C-I-L-L...KILL...MY LAWNMOWER!
Didn’t know about the moonshiners’ fuel. Interesting. Thanks.
I do know that we drink ethanol, which I’m not sure is a wise move. Stuff kills braincells.
The water you drain out of your aircraft fuel tanks is FRom condensation.
Totally separate issue having nothing to do with this discussion.
As for ethanol vs. ethanol FRee gasoline, both my 1990 Airstream (454 Chevvy) and my 1991 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham get roughly 10-15% better mileage when I use ethanol FRee gasoline. Furthermore, the generator in my MH will not run on that ethanol shit!
Check this web site out: http://energynation.org/action/repeal-the-renewable-fuel-standard/
The Bill: S. 1563, the Biofuels Market Expansion Act of 2013
Annualized Cost: $200 million ($1 billion over five years)
To help further increase the capacity and demand for biofuels, ethanol in particular, Senator Tom Harkin (D-IA) has introduced the Biofuels Market Expansion Act. Starting at biofuel sources, the government would expand loan guarantees to allow public dollars to be spent on pipeline construction for renewable fuels. To spur demand for biofuels, the legislation would also require automotive manufacturers to produce more dual-fueled cars and trucks. By 2017, manufacturers would have to ensure that 90 percent of vehicles produced are in compliance with this mandate (there is an exclusion for electric-powered vehicles).
The bill would also impose new regulations “to ensure that each major fuel distributor that sells or introduces gasoline into commerce in the United States through majority-owned stations or branded stations installs or otherwise makes available one or more blender pumps that dispense E-85 fuel and ethanol fuel blends.” A blender pump would be capable of dispensing at least three different blends of gasoline and ethanol. These regulations would be accompanied by a new grant program to subsidize the installation of blender pumps.
The text of S. 1563 would authorize $1 billion in spending over a five-year period to ensure that that at least half of all stations have these pumps by 2022. Identical legislation was proposed in the 112th Congress as S. 187, for more information, a transcript of a 2011 Senate committee hearing is available.
http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/1563?q={
more rabid dipshittery
Thanks for the link ! (http://www.pure-gas.org) I am very fortunate in that I live in a small village here in Ontario which has a non-ethanol station serving gas. I have tried before to find other stations but have been unsuccessful. Turns out there are 97 stations in Ontario. Thanks again !
The two stations in my area (Ontario) have zero ethanol in all grades of gas. Love it.
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