ISON UPDATE/Large Debris Moving Fast.

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[Yosemitest]

ISON UPDATE/Large Debris Moving Fast.

Published on Dec 4, 2013

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Ison is a V shaped debris field with objects that are miles wide each..at least 21 large ones..
They are moving at 2 million miles per day.
Ison is moving away from "Secchi A" at that speed which makes it appear smaller from that camera each hour..
THE ROCKS ARE DARK NOW.
They will become darker as they move further from the sun over Earth..
They will not become smaller.

[Talisker]

To affect a dialog both communicants must be conversant in the appropriate language. Tell me, was that English? Or valley girl speak?

So,

like,

since you don't support the Electric Comet theory, you have an alternate explanation for why ISON was picked up in the visible spectrum way out past Jupiter's orbit - right?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[Yosemitest]

Is it possible that the “V’ is a cone, and that the debris was shattered in all directions?
Or is it more likely that the Sun’s magnetic field made the shattering of Ison just a “V” and more in line with the positive and negative of the field lines when and where it shattered?

[Yosemitest]

Have you read this?

Electric ice a shock to the solar system

ELECTRIC ice may pervade space.
This strange form of water is more persistent than was previously thought, and the discovery could change our understanding of how the solar system formed.
It might even give ice a new role in the emergence of the complex organic molecules needed for life.

In a single molecule of water - H₂O - there is a charge separation.
That's because the two positively charged hydrogen atoms cluster at one end, away from the single negatively charged oxygen.

However, the charges get mixed up when ordinary ice, known as ice Ih, forms.
While the oxygen atoms arrange themselves in a repeating pattern, the pairs of hydrogen atoms that extend from them don't.
Instead, they randomly take one of a number of positions (see graphic).
Cool ice to about 60 kelvin (-213.15 °C), though, and the hydrogens rearrange themselves so they are aligned.
In the resulting, perfectly regular crystal, called ice XI, there are distinct regions of positive and negative charge.

That polarisation makes ice XI clump together much more readily than ordinary ice 1h, in the same way that dust particles are drawn together by static electricity.
If the early solar system contained a lot of the stuff, it could mean that planets formed much more quickly than current models assume.
Electric ice could also attract organic compounds, possibly accelerating the emergence of complex molecules and eventually life.

While claims that ice XI may exist naturally in Antarctica have yet to be verified, astronomers have long suspected that it hangs out in the outer solar system.
They haven't directly detected it there, however. ...

[Yosemitest]

You might want to read this also.

Electronic Charge Carriers in Igneous Rocks and their Activation through Tectonic Processes

Also, read this.

"4.3 Electrical conductivity of minerals and rocks"

... (At high temperature these minerals begin to dissociate and current can be carried by their ions. Resistivity of molten minerals can be less than one Ohm-m.) ...

... In metals the charge carriers are electrons that move freely through the metallic crystalline lattice. Relative to rocks and soils the conductivities are very high. ...

[Yosemitest]

What is your opinion of Wal Thornhill?

Comet ISON Mysteries Continuem Space News, Dec 8, 2013, ( 8:27 )

[Darksheare]

No.
Because that is not how comets act.
The one portion of that v is facing away from us.
And the pieces of an object that is tidally disrupted tend to continue down the same orbit.
Shoemaker-levy 9 is an example of that.
It had been orbiting Jupiter and then tidally disrupted.
The pieces had two years to spread out.
The spread into a straight line.
Magnetic field lines wouldn’t do anything to the comet.
The field lines resemble a coil watch spring.
If the comet reacted to that, you’d see a smear resembling a paintbrush stroke following an arc from where it is at back in a huge curve towards the sun.
Instead, what was left of ison prior to fading out behaved like a typical comet.
Dust trail along orbit, tail pointing away from the sun.

[NoCmpromiz]

[messierhunter]

Stop the fearmongering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lw-kGs-Olg

[Yosemitest]

At comment number 208, you comment from post #1?
You really should read down thread on an older thread before you comment.
I'll give you time to catch up, before I respond.

Ison Slices thru Lovejoys Tail. ( 7:47 )

[messierhunter]

I comment in my own time. I just made my video about this subject yesterday. As for Lovejoy, no, ISON did not “slice through Lovejoy’s tail.” You really should stop getting all of your information from kooks, or if you really can’t help yourself, please do it some place other than FR. You’re making us look bad. ISON’s debris cloud was nowhere near Lovejoy in space when the disconnection event happened. Tail disconnection events happen all the time to comets. ISON itself experienced its share before disintegrating.
http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=89572
http://inagist.com/all/400782291791663104/
http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=89939
https://plus.google.com/103874881715461436613/posts/YXEPfH4QH7W

[NoCmpromiz]

Here's a photo of a comet with its tail cut off. See the dark dot in the missing tailpart. It must have been eaten by Ison. Here's the proof. There were a lot of missing seconds of video before this was released. What more proof do we need that NASA is lying to us?

If I put it on EweToob and tell everyone that its tail was eaten by Ison, or Niburu, or maybe Spacegodzilla, everyone will believe it because it's posted on the web. Right.. ;-)

[Yosemitest]

Nov 13, and Nov 18 of 2013 ? Really?
Is that all you've got?
Who's the kook here?
He's talking about AFTER Ison fell apart, and he's documenting that Ison's debris (or the Isonids) has changed course.
And he's not alone in that observation.

From Bruce Gary :

Dec 11, 21.9 UT: Possible recovery image by Dennis Whitmer on Dec 11, 12:52 UT.
"Blob A" has Rc-mag = 15.91 at a location 10.3 'arc to northeast of the JPL Horizons predicted location.
Please don't get excited by this; we need imaging from tomorrow to confirm or disconfirm the Blob A feature.
I'm postponing writing the In Memoriam web page until this is resolved. (Good work, Dennis!)

2013.12.11 Whitmer R Whitmer observed in a 3x3 mosaic pattern covering ~ 9 times the FOV of his single image FOVs in a search for any kind of blob that could be what's left of the comet. In the upper-left corner location, he had 3 40-second exposures that showed two faint blobs.


Median combine of 3 40-second Rc-band images, made with 14-inch Celestron. FOV = 16.5 x 13.2 'arc, north up, east left. Star next to "A" blob has Rc-mag = 13.71. Faintest stars have Rc-mag = 17.0. Images made between 12:51:23 and 12:53:10 UT, 2013 December 11.

I measure blob A to have Rc-mag = 15.91 ± 0.10, based on 6 APASS stars (with BVr' mag's that I converted to Rc-mag).

Could blob A be a galaxy? No, as the following figure shows.


Same FOV as the previous image, showing no galaxies near the blob A location. The other image is a DSS2 image taken from the SkyMap web site.


Locations of blob A ("DWDec11"), JPL Horizons prediction ("JPL Dec 11"), and a month-old ephemeris (for 2013.12.11, 12:52 UT).

The way to convert JPL Horizons RA/DE coordinates to the blob A location is to add 30.5 RA seconds and add 7.0 DE 'arc.

This may be an artifact of some sort that we don't understand, so the blob A location and the predicted location if it's following the comet track need to be observed carefully, as soon as possible.
If it's clear tomorrow we'll know if this is a "recovery."

One person suggested that there may be a dust cloud of particles larger than typical tail particles and a group of clumps or fragments of larger size.
The dust cloud would be affected by solar light pressure and move away from the sun, while the group of fragments would continue on an orbit unaffected by either light pressure or solar wind.
However, the group of fragments could be on an orbit that was altered when the comet nucleus broke-up hours before perihelion (due to jets and break-up dynamics),
so they could be on a trajectory that is slightly different from what was predicted before perihelion passage.
A bunch of fragments might be very, very faint because they're no longer outgassing, whereas the dust cloud could be visible because of reflected sunlight.
HST is planning observations Dec 18, and they are trying to figure out where to point;
I think they want to aim at the fragment group as a primary goal.
We amateurs should concentrate on imaging the dust cloud because that's probably the only thing that is bright enough to image.

What a comet!

Dec 11, 15.9 UT: I'm preparing an "In Memoriam for Comet ISON" web page which will have a link on this web page probably today.

Dec 10, 23.1 UT: Added a section (above) "My Current Assessment of Comet ISON's Status" in response to several e-mails that assume I know something about comets - which I don't, actually.
Please, everybody, trust NASA, trust CIOC and trust professional astronomers at universities and institutions about Comet ISON.
Some of them may be faulted for over-hyping this comet, but they're not hiding anything
and Comet ISON really did provide a mountain of data that can improve our understanding of comets and formation processes of our solar system. Their assessments will be much more valid than mine!

Dec 10,14.7 UT: Whitmer (14-inch telescope), R-band, dozens of images stacked, show NOTHING at the Comet ISON projected orbit location.
I think the comet is now a dispersed debris cloud that has a "surface brightness" that is too low for detection by standard amateur telescope/CCD observing.
Maybe a prime focus (HyperStar) observation is needed.

Dec 09, 16.8 UT: Whitmer obtained a 3x3 mosaic and found no evidence of a comet.
FOV probably 36 x 31 'arc, limiting magnitude ~ 16.

Dec 06, 23.1 UT: Added image showing my attempt to "recover" the comet after perihelion passage.
It shows that any nucleus or coma must be fainter than V-mag 16.0, provided it was within my FOV.

2013.12.06 Gary V The following image is median combine stack of 20 Cb-band, 10-second exposures.


Median combine of 50 Cb-band images, each 10-second exposure, FOV = 30x21 'arc.
The comet's elevation ranged from 5.7 to 8.4 degrees while the sun ranged from -12.5 to -9.9 degrees.
The animation alternates the 50-image median combine image with a catalog of the same FOV (with the comet in the predicted location).
The faintest stars have V-mag ~ 16, so that's an upper limit on the brightness of any nucleus or coma.

If the comet was within the FOV it would have to be fainter than ~V-mag = 16.0.
Given its "traumatic" disintegration when it was near the sun, and the possibility that only a tiny piece (or pieces) was left, the orbit must have been changed.

Nov 30, 15.3 UT: I'm now ready to declare that Comet ISON is "dying"!
The past 4 months have been fun, sort of, but I'm looking forward to returning to a normal lifestyle.
Whereas comet astronomers are embarrassed by the term "Comet of the Century," they continue to refer to it as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to learn about comets.
There will be no more updates on this web page for what I will always remember as the "Dud of the Decade."

[Yosemitest]

The Isonoids and Comet Lovejoy were both reported and crossed at ".627 AU" from the Earth, so that's point six two seven Astronomical Units FROM THE EARTH when they crossed paths (reported at 4 minutes and 40 seconds in BPEarthWatch's Dec 10 2013 ( 5:40 ) video ).

[Darksheare]

.627 au is roughly 58,283,291.2 miles.
That’s quite a lot of real estate.
And the angle above the ecliptic that is on is following doesn’t descend towards us or intersect our orbit.
Ison is climbing away from the ecliptic relative to our orbit.
This is analogous of an aircraft flying over your car at cruising altitude.
The debris of Ison is composed of dust, small boulders, and rocks.
Nothing “miles and miles wide”.
Tail disconnect event occur to comets due to particle density of incoming solar coronal mass ejections.
The particle density jumps from .2 protons per cubic meter to 10 protons per cubic meter or so, the comet tail gets torn off.
Analogous of cigarette smoke being “torn” from a cigarette by a puff of air.

[Yosemitest]

Thank you.

[NoCmpromiz]

Would seem that a lot of these 'we're all gonna die' folk never got past Euclidean Geometry, eh? (If they progressed that far in their math training...)

Of course, attempting to explain these spatial relationships to a two dimensional thinker is like teaching a pig to sing.

You know, wastes your time and only annoys the pig..

[Yosemitest]

How much of a “Course Change” is this for the Isonoids ?

[Darksheare]

It would need a rough {off top of head) 50° change in course and there us nothing out there that would induce that.
And the required change in direction is only growing larger.
Eventually it will require a nosedive.
And the energy to do that just isn’t there.

Something to keep in mind as well: just because Ison sped up as it approached the sun doesn’t mean Ison will retain that speed.
The same towards the sun force that sped Ison up still exists, so Is one remains will slow down at the same rate going out.
Most people think of gravity assists and assume that applies to comets.
Not exactly.
A gravity assist maneuverconsists of a slight change in orbit direction.
(A good illustration of such would be the “New Horizon” page showing the entry and exit course past Jupiter. Wikipedia actually, for once, has something informative on that! Lol.. Section “Jupiter gravity assist”, graphic to right.)
An orbit like Is one, or earth’s for that matter, don’t get a permaboost because it isn’t a glancing pass by.

[NoCmpromiz]

rough {off top of head) 50° change in course

Ison orbital inclination is 62.4 degrees. In other words, the orbit would need to be bent some 60 degrees - and 60 degrees in the correct direction - to 'straioghten' it out to the plane of the elliptic so that an intersection with anything orbiting the sun in that plane (which is pretty much all the planets) possible at all. Otherwise it would pass through the plane of the elliptic going 'down' to the sun and pass back through the plane of the elliptic going 'up' away from the sun and the longer it goes 'up' away from the sun, the further away from the plane of the elliptic it gets.

As it gets further from the plane of the elliptic, which it will as it 'climbs' away from the sun, the more radical a course change is required to aim it at Earth or any planet. The one big energy sink that Ison passed was the sun and its input would be + g going 'down' and -g going 'up'. In other words, now that the Is one pebbles are climbing up the gravitational hill away from the sun, energy is being subtracted from the Is one system. There is no additional source of + energy to alter the course.

Unless of course, you really think those Nubirans are going to interfere...

[Yosemitest]

No, I'm not asking how much of a change the Isonoids would need to impact Earth.
I'm asking how much DID the course change from the NASA forcasted path they predicted after Ison passed Mars, when they updated it, but before it passed the Sun?
Remember 2013.12.06 Gary V said

"Given its "traumatic" disintegration when it was near the sun, and the possibility that only a tiny piece (or pieces) was left, the orbit must have been changed."

How much did it change?