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"Trained to Kill"
http://www.killology.com/ ^ | August 10, 1998 | Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

Posted on 03/29/2014 9:59:00 AM PDT by B4Ranch

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If you're wondering what's happening to cause the irrational violence we are seeing in America, this may just have something to do with it. I think it does.
1 posted on 03/29/2014 9:59:00 AM PDT by B4Ranch
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To: B4Ranch
Bttt.

5.56mm

2 posted on 03/29/2014 10:06:56 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: B4Ranch

No one had to train Cain to kill his brother.


3 posted on 03/29/2014 10:08:41 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: B4Ranch

Huh.


4 posted on 03/29/2014 10:11:28 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: B4Ranch

Cops should not be allowed to play video games that depict gratuitous violence... Period.


5 posted on 03/29/2014 10:12:12 AM PDT by HMS Surprise (Chris Christie can STILL go straight to hell.)
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To: B4Ranch

“...the largest school massacre in American history happens in my hometown of Jonesboro, Arkansas. That was the March 24, 1999.”

The article’s posted date is August 10, 1998. This does not compute...


6 posted on 03/29/2014 10:14:28 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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Grossman frames his argument from a position of authority. He tries to leverage his status as a professional Army officer to reinforce his points. He cannot be assailed.

He cites as proof for his argument:

During World War II, US Army Brig. Gen. S. L. A. Marshall had a team of researchers study what soldiers did in battle. For the first time in history, they asked individual soldiers what they did in battle. They discovered that only 15 to 20 percent of the individual riflemen could bring themselves to fire at an exposed enemy soldier.

Grossman knows, or as a professional soldier ought to know, that this statement has been thoroughly debunked. Marshall made up the data rendering his "study" useless.

While I may agree with some of his points, I believe that his writings need to be taken with a fairly large dose of skepticism.

7 posted on 03/29/2014 10:18:15 AM PDT by centurion316
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No one had to train Cain to kill his brother.

bump

8 posted on 03/29/2014 10:24:05 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator ( 2+2 = V)
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To: carriage_hill

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

1927.
There were 38 kids killed and 6 adults. The author has his facts wrong.

People are natural born killers. No brag, just fact.


9 posted on 03/29/2014 10:29:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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I still think Cain got a raw deal. Sheepherder offers God a lamb. That’s cool. Farmer offers God some of the produce he harvested,, and gets snubbed.

Never have had a preacher, priest or whatever give a satisfactory reason for that. But he still shouldn’t have killed his brother I guess,,,,


10 posted on 03/29/2014 10:29:44 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: B4Ranch

Nope.

I play violent video games, used to hunt(live in CA, travel to far to hunt), own guns, beat up my three younger brothers when I was younger, etc, etc, etc, and whatever is so called bad for you.

I abhore violence to the point I won’t kill a bee if it flies into my house. I simply pick him up and take him outside.

Same with a frog that kept getting stuck in cement pond. He was going to drown eventually and would have bothered me. I took him a couple miles down the road and set him free near a creek.

He probably died by the mitts of a raccoon that night.

But, make no mistake: Take a swing at my head and it’s on like Donkey Kong.

Come to my house threatening to injure or kill anyone in the house and my dogs, I will end you on the spot, if you so much as flinch.

Other than that, I can’t stand violence and will do whatever I can to avoid it or talk myself out of it.


11 posted on 03/29/2014 10:30:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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My first thought too. Cops are killing civilians in record amounts.


12 posted on 03/29/2014 10:32:02 AM PDT by windcliff
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Actually the largest school massacre in American history was the Bath Michigan school bombing in 1927.

45 killed including the perp and another 58 injured.


13 posted on 03/29/2014 10:35:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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14 posted on 03/29/2014 10:41:58 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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To: cripplecreek; ClearCase_guy

Correct. I didn’t want to list Bath, Sandy Hook or Columbine, but the dates just threw me, too, as well as his claim of largest in history.


15 posted on 03/29/2014 10:44:56 AM PDT by Carriage Hill (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history, when everybody stands around reloading.)
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To: DesertRhino
I still think Cain got a raw deal. Sheepherder offers God a lamb. That’s cool. Farmer offers God some of the produce he harvested,, and gets snubbed.

Never have had a preacher, priest or whatever give a satisfactory reason for that. But he still shouldn’t have killed his brother I guess,,,,

Your post presumes that God is under an obligation to explain to us everything He does. He's not.

Later in Job, he directs a lot of questions to God. God does not answer one of them. Instead, He then questions Job.

God is the Creator of mankind. We are the creation. Once we understand that relationship we have the right mindset to understand God.

From an earthly perspective, did your parents explain everything they told you to do? Most likely not.

16 posted on 03/29/2014 10:48:12 AM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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A lot has to do with the modern media and fixation on violence combined with their desire to promote their agenda.

My great grandmother once told me about a shooting at a one room school in a neighboring township when she was a child in the very early 1900s.

There are some 30+ separate school buildings in my county and I can’t find that even one has ever had a shooting. There are better than 100,000 separate school buildings nationwide.

I do think there are some things that need to be taken into account like the modern public school model that creates a large pool of potential victims. There is also the culture of subjective morality that infects the American educational system.


17 posted on 03/29/2014 10:50:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: B4Ranch

The very first son born of a woman murdered his brother.


18 posted on 03/29/2014 10:50:31 AM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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The murder rate has been chopped in half since 1993. Are kids watching less TV and playing less violent video games nowadays?

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm


19 posted on 03/29/2014 10:55:06 AM PDT by Ken H (What happens on the internet, stays on the internet.)
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Innocent blood had to be shed as an atonement for sin.

Cain's offering was a result of his own labor - the idea that you can work your way to salvation.

20 posted on 03/29/2014 10:57:11 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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