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JFK: The Smoking Gun and Mortal Error...revealing presentations of investigation [vanity]
me | 5/6/2014 | self

Posted on 05/06/2014 9:10:00 PM PDT by logi_cal869

I just got done bookending a book with a movie (albeit documentary). I had missed prior threads here at FR here and here (I just got done hunting down whether this had been posted prior).

Seeing the posts on the topic, I almost let it go. Then I read the comments. The absolute statements of derision and dismissive/dissension on a plausible explanation for all the (non-LHO/JR) holes in the Warren Commission floored me.

I'm posting this as a "Recommendation": If you have any interest at all in the JFK assassination, no matter from what angle, and have an open mind, I highly recommend picking up the book, Mortal Error and watching the movie/documentary JFK: The Smoking Gun.


TOPICS: Books/Literature; Conspiracy; History; TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: jfk; jfkassassination; mortalerror; thesmokinggun
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To: MagnoliaB

I’m a horrible speller and only call mistakes out when the poster makes claims of superior intelligence while butchering the language in the process.

That being said, I’d hardly characterize the point as “nitpicking.” It’s typical of conspiracy buffs. If a piece of evidence provided by the government supports a conspiracy theory it’s accepted as real. Or if it’s withheld from the public then it also supports a conspiracy theory. If evidence doesn’t support a conspiracy theory, well, it can’t be trusted because it’s from the government. The same logic permeates the 911 truther community, the landing on moon was faked crowd, etc.


21 posted on 05/09/2014 5:09:57 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: logi_cal869

Maybe someone will address my question.

I went to Dealy Plaza last year. Looked at the “sniper’s nest” and stood in the next window to the right. Walked the Plaza etc.

When I was in the building, I wondered about the fact that Oswald was working there and the motorcade came right by the building.

Was this just a crime of opportunity? How did he get that job and when?

I have read sometime ago the route had been changed and was published in the paper.

Anyone?


22 posted on 05/09/2014 5:21:48 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian

I think it’s a moot point and prone to conjecture & supposition. A great question, but impossible to answer.

However, if you take into account the CIA docs that assert, without evidence, that Oswald “probably lied” on his timesheet to permit a ‘fitting timeline’ for the assassination, well then...they did an excellent job of putting square pegs into round holes. (/s)

I have a better question: Why do the order forms & receipts for Oswald’s alias for ordering the Carcano rifle show a “36 inch” rifle and the FBI produced a “40.2 inch” rifle for evidence?


23 posted on 05/09/2014 7:38:20 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: MagnoliaB; AllAmericanGirl44; logi_cal869

No matter how good the cover up was, there was bound to be a major mistake that reveals what happened.

Here it is:

There are two independent ways to determine the time between each of the shots that were fired that day. OBVIOUSLY if both ways are valid, then the time between shots would be the SAME.

The simple observations that I am going to show you has never been shown in any book or documentary, NONE. Americans have been TRAINED to accept mostly what they are told and to write off those pesky things that don’t fit what they are told.

In the Zapruder film, there are two times almost everyone agrees shots were fired:

1. Obviously when JFK was shot in the head (Zapruder frame 313)

2. John Connally begins his first reaction to a shot right after the Stemmon’s sign at Z224.

To calculate the time between those two shots you only need to know the film speed of Zapruder’s camera. The FBI measured that as approximately 18.3 frames per second. That means the time between those two shots (313 - 224)/18.3 or about 4.8 seconds.

Now we look at the other way to determine the time between two of the shots. Although you may have bought the vicious attacks made by the gubermint and other critics, it also shows the time between two of the shots is 4.8 seconds!

Go look at all the published information out there on the JFK assassination and you will have to use a microscope to find that 4.8 seconds is common in BOTH the Zapruder film AND the ONLY independent audio recording that could have recorded the sounds of the shots!

I have been told by others that 4.8 seconds in BOTH ways to determine the time between shots means nothing, it is just a statistical anomaly. But is that true?

As you look at the audio recording timing, after the Z313 JFK head shot, you’ll see 0.7 seconds later that another shot was fired. So the last two shots according to the audio recording were fired BANG-BANG. In this YOUTUBE video, I show several witnesses who say they heard the last two shots were BANG-BANG.

Isn’t it interesting that two independent ways to determine the time between shots both show 4.8 seconds between shots?

Isn’t it interesting that many witnesses agree with the audio recording: The last two shots were fired BANG-BANG.

Isn’t it interesting that John Connally says that when he was shot in the back, he was bent over? The gubermint investigators ignored what John Connally said because it conflicted with three shots/ one shooter. To lie to the public, information that conflicted with what J Edgar Hoover and others said had to be minimized and neglected.

If you GOOGLE 4.8 seconds, 0.7 seconds and JFK, you’ll see I am the only one who gives a reasonable interpretation of this information. How is it possible that the most written about murder in history has significant information that has not been addressed? Part of the answer is easy: To fool Americans, you only have to fool the presstitutes. The presstitutes think their job is to interpret big brother’s story and feed it to the little people. And the little people believe what they are told.

YOUTUBE has threatened to totally shut down my channel. It has almost a million views but they no longer allow me to post. Seems some people don’t like an unknown like myself saying that there is information that PROVES the US government lied about what happened when JFK was killed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQLxlSBGwMY

You can know with absolute certainty what happend when JFK was killed. You can’t just accept what I say, you must verify everything for yourself. When you do, your jaw will hit the table.

Bill Charleston


24 posted on 11/22/2014 4:57:27 PM PST by politicianslie (To fool Americans, you only have to fool the presstittues. Hussein Obama is working hard to kill us)
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To: politicianslie

Interesting. Thanks for that.


25 posted on 11/22/2014 8:43:41 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: politicianslie

Ah, and yes...what a most perfect day to comment.


26 posted on 11/22/2014 8:48:49 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: logi_cal869; SoCal Pubbie; Talisker; iowamark; DesertRhino; AllAmericanGirl44; rlmorel; ...
Interesting? Like Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy and Kennedy's secretary was named Lincoln? This is more than interesting, it should prove to you that your governnment lied about what happened when JFK was killed. They also lied to hide the identity of the persons behind the coup that assassinated JFK.

Big claims require big proof.

This figure tells a significant amount about the assassination but before you can interpret what it says you must understand why it is valid.

As shown previously, there are two shots in the Zapruder film that are easily tied to frame numbers:

1. Z frame 224, right after Connally emerges from behind the Stemmons freeway sign sign

2. Z frame 313: JFK is shot in the head.

The time between 1 and 2 is calculated by determining the number of frames and noting the camera speed was about 18.3 frames per second.

Time between two of the shots in the Z film is (313 - 224)/18.3 = about 4.8 seconds

As you look at the figure of the analysis of the Dallas police radio recording, you'll see the time between shots #3 and #4 is also 4.8 seconds! Obviously if the Dallas police radio does have the sounds of the shots then the time between shots would match the Zapruder film. Nothing could be simpler than that.

If you do a google of 4.8 seconds and look for the match between the Zapruder film having that time between shots AND the Dallas police radio recording (frequently called the acoustical evidence) you won't find much except what I have written.

If this match exists and this is the most written about and studied murder in history, how could 4.8 seconds in both the Z film and the acoustical evidence not be investigated? The answers to that question and many more are available BUT first you have to understand why it can be said with certainty that the Dallas police radio recording did record the sounds of the shots.

Many contend the acoustical experts working for the House Select Comm. on Assassinations in 1978 were looking at random noise. But they found 4.8 seconds between two of the echo patterns that they determined looked like shots! If that doesn't look like it is important, turn in your badge and go to sleep. You'll never understand it.

What is the probability that the audio experts in 1978 would find two shot like patterns 4.8 seconds if they were looking at random noise? The microphone was keyed approximately 5 minutes (or 300 seconds). Because the Z film and the audio tape have a useful resolution of about 0.1 seconds, that means there would be 3000 intervals.

You'll also notice that all of the shot like echo patterns occur less than 10 seconds from the first to the last one.

BJ Clinton had trouble with the definition of what "IS" is. The JFK research/peanut gallery have trouble with the definition of AND. When you say AND, you multiply probabilities together to get the overall probability of both of these events occurring.

In this case, probability that we'd get 4.8 seconds between two of the shots AND all of the shots would be grouped within 10 seconds is:

Overall probability: (1/3000) X (10 seconds/300 seconds) which means getting both of these things simultaneously if the audio experts were looking at random noise is not very probable.

But remember AND! The figure shows the last two shots were fired a split second apart, BANG-BANG. My video shows several witnesses who said the last two shots were BANG-BANG. What is the probability of that happening if that was only one shot fired at the end of the shooting? If you buy the gubermint's explanation of an echo, why didn't the first two shots echo?

You probably know the acoustical evidence indicated shot #4 on the figure was fired from in front of JFK. IF so, then some witnesses would have seen a large exit wound in the rear of JFK's head. If you are even remotely familiar with the JFK assassination, you know the doctors and nurses at Parkland Hospital say they saw a large wound in the right rear of JFK's head.

Then we have to factor in that Secret Service agents in both Dallas and Bethesda in Washington also describe a large exit wound in the right rear of JFK's head.

ETC. When you use the definition of AND and you multiply these other factors you determine that the probability that the sounds were recorded on the Dallas Police radio recording are astronomical. Not large but astronomical.

What does this mean? Looking at the figure with the last two shots fired BANG-BANG, it means that a conspiracy killed JFK as the person in the Texas School Book depository could not have fired both shots. It also means that it is impossible that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. Not improbable but impossible.

So why did the US government hide the truth in 1963/64 and why is 4.8 seconds and BANG-BANG still not talked about today? You might suspect the conspiracy was run from high in the US government. The FBI collected all of the Dallas evidence and took it to Washington. If evidence was forged, and the acoustical evidence proves it was, it means the US government forged evidence to hide the truth.

And why is this important today? Simply because if you can pull off the JFK assassination and get away with it, you can tell any lie you want to. But they don't have to fool individual citizens, they only have to fool the presstitutes. When Hussein Obama lies you to you, he knows there will be no real criticism because of the JFK assassination and how the presstitutes failed miserably in doing their Constitutional function, report the truth and hold the government acountable. The US government has a license to lie no matter what their agenda is and the presstitutes and therefore the public are powerless to stop them.

27 posted on 11/23/2014 4:39:01 PM PST by politicianslie (To fool Americans, you only have to fool the presstittues. Hussein Obama is working hard to kill us)
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To: politicianslie

Thanx


28 posted on 11/23/2014 6:51:07 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: politicianslie

Preaching to the choir, dude. Regardless which one ‘part’ of the JFK conspiracy you focus on, I AM the OP for the article under which you commented.

I am NOT one you need to convince. “Interesting” is it in its totality. The GSR test was enough for me to assert they should have kept looking for the shooter(s)...


29 posted on 11/23/2014 7:31:34 PM PST by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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