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Transgendered priest to give sermon at Washington National Cathedral
http://m.washingtontimes.com/ ^ | 06/09/2014 | Meredith Somers

Posted on 06/09/2014 12:18:09 PM PDT by massmike

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To: cloudmountain

Sure looks that way to me.


61 posted on 06/09/2014 1:57:09 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: massmike

It is a tragedy what has happened to this once proud and distinguished Anglican church, which tried so hard and for so long to be a hybrid between Catholicism and Protestantism. Now it is neither. John Henry Newman must be turning in his grave.


62 posted on 06/09/2014 1:59:01 PM PDT by NotTallTex
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To: cloudmountain

Ah, no, I was referring to how the Catholic church would handle, well, I guess one of their already-ordained male priests transitioning to female—or a female who has transitioned to male and wants to become a Catholic priest. Or, how about nuns going in either direction?


63 posted on 06/09/2014 1:59:07 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Sure looks that way to me.

Well, s/HE will never have the hair that men have, nor the beard, no testicles or penis, not the strength...and not the testosterone. s/HE will never give "beard burn" to a lover, whoever that might be.

s/HE will STILL age like a woman...an old woman. Lol.
Her belly fat will be "lower slung" around the hips. s/HE will look like an old woman in men's clothes. Charming.
s/HE won't have the receding hairline...that's a perk.

64 posted on 06/09/2014 2:04:42 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: 9YearLurker
Ah, no, I was referring to how the Catholic church would handle, well, I guess one of their already-ordained male priests transitioning to female—or a female who has transitioned to male and wants to become a Catholic priest. Or, how about nuns going in either direction?

What if....who the heck knows? Why would you care?

65 posted on 06/09/2014 2:09:55 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: 9YearLurker; cloudmountain
"Transitioning" either way would be a disqualification from ordination or the consecrated life, due to the fact that intentional mutilation is a serious sin.

You'd think it would be a new and unprecedented question, but no: it apparently happened in the ancient world. The very first Canon of the very first Ecumenical Council (Nicea, 325 AD) addressed this issue:

"If any [priest] in sickness has undergone surgery at the hands of physicians or has been castrated by barbarians, let him remain among the clergy. But if anyone in good health has castrated himself, if he is enrolled among the clergy he should be suspended, and in future no such man should be promoted.

"But, as it is evident that this refers to those who are responsible for the condition and presume to castrate themselves, so too if any have been made eunuchs by barbarians or by their masters, but have been found worthy, the canon admits such men to the clergy."

In other words, willful castration is not permitted, but forced castration, or castration which is deemed medically necessary, is not an impediment to Catholic ministry. I believe we may thus infer that accidental castration is also not an impediment.

66 posted on 06/09/2014 2:11:21 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Male and female He created them, in the image and likeness of God He created them.")
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To: 9YearLurker; cloudmountain
"Transitioning" either way would be a disqualification from ordination or the consecrated life, due to the fact that intentional mutilation is a serious sin.

You'd think it would be a new and unprecedented question, but no: it apparently happened in the ancient world. The very first Canon of the very first Ecumenical Council (Nicea, 325 AD) addressed this issue:

"If any [priest] in sickness has undergone surgery at the hands of physicians or has been castrated by barbarians, let him remain among the clergy. But if anyone in good health has castrated himself, if he is enrolled among the clergy he should be suspended, and in future no such man should be promoted.

"But, as it is evident that this refers to those who are responsible for the condition and presume to castrate themselves, so too if any have been made eunuchs by barbarians or by their masters, but have been found worthy, the canon admits such men to the clergy."

In other words, willful castration is not permitted, but forced castration, or castration which is deemed medically necessary, is not an impediment to Catholic ministry. I believe we may thus infer that accidental castration is also not an impediment.

67 posted on 06/09/2014 2:11:44 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Male and female He created them, in the image and likeness of God He created them.")
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In other words, willful castration is not permitted, but forced castration, or castration which is deemed medically necessary, is not an impediment to Catholic ministry. I believe we may thus infer that accidental castration is also not an impediment.

THANK YOU, Mrs. Don-o

Tiny bubbles....

68 posted on 06/09/2014 2:12:53 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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....
In the wine (in the wine)
Make me happy (make me happy).
Make me feel fine (make me feel fine).

69 posted on 06/09/2014 2:14:43 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: massmike; GeronL

It’s all an honest mistake. When they hired him, they thought he said he’d changed sects.


70 posted on 06/09/2014 2:22:48 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: a fool in paradise

lol


71 posted on 06/09/2014 2:25:57 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: massmike

The Etestical Church remains true to form.


72 posted on 06/09/2014 2:26:46 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Interesting, thanks.


73 posted on 06/09/2014 2:27:37 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: massmike
This is satire, right?
From that satire site?
74 posted on 06/09/2014 2:28:18 PM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: massmike

A modified mental case but still the same gender.

What ever hsppened to the doctor’s oath of first do no harm?


75 posted on 06/09/2014 2:29:51 PM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: massmike
“We at Washington National Cathedral are striving to send a message of love and affirmation, especially to LGBT youth who suffer daily because of their gender identity or sexual orientation,” Mr. Hall said. “We want to proclaim to them as proudly and unequivocally as we can: Your gender identity is good and your sexual orientation is good because that’s the way that God made you.”

:-D )))

Really, Dean Hall?

No, really?

76 posted on 06/09/2014 2:40:57 PM PDT by RichInOC (...your newest purveyor of wit, laughter and the Popish creed.)
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To: Oratam

As Christians today it is very difficult to speak the truth without being hammered for doing so. I have lived long enough to know when it was not so and one could be “free” to speak of what is right and wrong.

Now there’s a horrendous backlash from people who think nothing of badgering you for speaking the truth...we see this even on FR...

They no longer have to “chip away” as you mentioned...it’s a given and welcomed... while society celebrates it.


77 posted on 06/09/2014 3:04:08 PM PDT by caww
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To: cloudmountain

.....”Why would the Catholic Church care what an Episcopalian priest did with his body?”....

You’re probably right given the Catholic Priests do tend to have their own issues of what they do with their bodies when it comes to children.


78 posted on 06/09/2014 3:06:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: CodeToad
Well, that's it: they're castrating people for mental disease. Deliberate (directly intentional) mutilation per se is always unethical.
79 posted on 06/09/2014 3:15:43 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Male and female He created them, in the image and likeness of God He created them.")
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To: massmike

No such thing as an actual transgender person. It is a mental illness.


80 posted on 06/09/2014 3:16:46 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American - Not a ey had the opportunity to be killed while we had Republican or a Democrat.)
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