Posted on 06/16/2014 7:06:58 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
U.S. workers protested job losses to foreign workers by displaying American flags in their cubicles
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I knew someone who worked in the IT department for Barkleys Bank and had to train his replacement. This was about 8 years ago.
I was brought in to replace an Indian QA Manager who spent my first month training me on the Process in place. But the cost win for the company wasn't in replacing the Manager with me but in replacing the 4 offshore resources he was managing with less expensive resources from the Philippines for me to get up to speed.
After they got up to speed in 6 months I was let go as they made the senior offshore resource the QA Lead.
American coders are the best in the world, period.
The H1 Visa program is a complete scam... it is meant ONLY for finding workers when NONE exist in the US for the job (IE outdated tech that all the folks who do it have retired etc), the idea you can’t find coders in the US is nonsense.
The H1B program is to skilled labor what illegal immigrants are to unskilled.
The very idea that a US employee is training his replacement that is an H1B visa holder should never be happening.
Saw all this coming years ago. That’s why I ramped up on skills that neither a machine, computer or foreigner could do. I’m certified in English which helps too.
I understand why it is advantageous for a corporation to be able to select employees from the largest possible pool.
What I resent the HELL out of is them LYING about the reason for increasing immigration - that there are no Americans capable doing of the job.
Make your argument but don’t spit on and besmirch Americans to get your way.
This has been happening for years. Back in the 90’s we derided the code produced by Indians as throw away code (and it was) that had to be rewritten every time you had to make a change to it. Later companies got smart and would bring in about a dozen Indian workers to work with the American Coders. There they would learn proper coding techniques and buy into the company ethos. The top 2 or 3 were picked as managers and were sent back to India to “preach the gospel” so to speak and set up coding centers. The quality of code went up. Fact is the American worker cannot compete because there are many eager young Indian coders who will work long hours for little pay.
I don't disagree, but companies still believe that they can get comparable work from an army of Indians vs. 1 or 2 competent American coders who'll work until their fingers bleed.
As much as I respect their culture, it's been my experience that many Indian IT workers are lazy and cut corners where they can.
I work in IT Infrastructure. I've had to train my replacement in previous entry-level IT jobs (i.e. Help Desk and account administration). It's the most emotionally and mentally taxing experience I've ever had. They don't want to learn. They figured out ways around how we did things to do them the way they were trained. Last I heard, the FCR numbers were in the toilet and most of the American reps quit in protest. Good riddance.
I understand why it is advantageous for a corporation to be able to select employees from the largest possible pool.
What I resent the HELL out of is them LYING about the reason for increasing immigration - that there are no Americans capable doing of the job.
Make your argument but don’t spit on and besmirch Americans to get your way.
Harley motorcycles this. They fired their in house IT and went with a contracting service notorious for H1B workers. The company offered some of the old guys their jobs back for ridiculously low wages.
Harley... pretending to care about being American.
I have worked in two shops that off-shored. One stayed with it even though the code sucked and had to be re-worked every time because in their words they were too deeply invested (and about half the American staff was still foreigners). The second I had the say so and within 6 months of taking the reigns I cut loose the off-shore element and hired two in house developers to take the place of four. Code quality and communication went up exponentially.
I disagree. I think these American companies are traitors.
Anybody who would look for serf laborers so they could fire their loyal employees and pay less is a slime. And I think they set it up from the beginning.
They’re damn leeches on our society, and they’re what’s wrong with America not recognizing that we have the best playing field and should charge others just to play in it.
This is classic predatory big business, and since it’s hand in glove with the government, it is NOT a free market.
Many governmental agencies are abusing the H1B process. I contracted at AAFES (Army Air Force Exchange Service) where many H1B-ers from India where treated like crap, were essentially salves to their contracting offices, and performed about as well as expected.
Every time I hear Bill Gates or a Fortune 100 company demand more H1Bs, I translate it as ‘we need more money and screw the American economy’.
Curiosity
Conceptual Thinking
Creativity
Sometimes just looking for the simpler “Common Sense” is enough.
Sadly lacking in many applicants.
This isn’t something new, been watching this for at least 15 years now if not longer, and of course no one in government cares... They don’t care if the system is abused, they set it up to be.
I am not worried myself, I have had to clean up too many messes these folks have made to worry about losing my job to them. I have at many times in my career told execs they were screwing their pooch with these types of actions, and then been called back years later to clean up the messes they made.
I have worked with countless folks from these countries, and on average they are 3rd tier, 2nd at best, once in a great great while I run into a top tier talent that happens to be from these places, but its incredibly rare.
However as long as companies view IT as a sunk cost instead of a strategic benefit, driving your direct costs down will be the criteria the management of such departments will get their bonuses based on and as long as that is the case, they will keep filling up their IT departments with 3rd tier talent from the 3rd world.
You aren’t disagreeing with me. I thing traitors lie about and besmirch American workers.
Does anyone know what company this is?
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