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FBI blasts Apple, Google for locking police out of phones
Washington Post ^ | September 25, 2014 | Craig Timberg and Greg Miller

Posted on 09/25/2014 3:05:24 PM PDT by re_tail20

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To: CodeToad

“The NSA can read faster than you can any encrypted message you may ever receive. Now the FBI has that ability.’

A lot of people are of that opinion, but it’s not true. If you use a random 128 bit password the NSA will still be able to break it by brute force, but it could take 100 years unless they get lucky. If their REALLY lucky they, of course, could get it on the first try. Of course if your really lucky you could win the power ball 5 times in a year too...


21 posted on 09/25/2014 4:05:58 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: babygene

I’m an not going to hijack this thread educating you but you have no idea had cryptography works if since you think that.


22 posted on 09/25/2014 4:07:14 PM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

BTTT


23 posted on 09/25/2014 4:16:18 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: CodeToad

“I’m an not going to hijack this thread educating you but you have no idea had cryptography works if since you think that.”

Oh yes I do... 4 years as a cryptologist in the military and 33 years as an HP engineer and 5 years as the CEO of a software company. If you remember, I said random.

Sounds like you drank the cool aid. My advice... Don’t believe every thing you read.


24 posted on 09/25/2014 4:19:28 PM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: CodeToad; hiredhand

I got to agree with you ....as usual !


25 posted on 09/25/2014 4:20:44 PM PDT by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: re_tail20
Gee, our Owners in government are sure getting pushy.

First, they confiscated all our real estate while we weren't looking (property taxes = The King's Rent on "your" house).

Now, apparently, all our communications are belong to the government, too.

26 posted on 09/25/2014 4:22:27 PM PDT by kiryandil (making the jests that some FReepers aren't allowed to...)
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To: re_tail20

ao’bmer and gang will simply sue them - and threaten with a fine of a quarter million a day for noncompliance -

The King rules ;


27 posted on 09/25/2014 4:28:31 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: RBW in PA
I don’t believe for a second that Apple or Google are not working with law enforcement to violate our privacy.
If you think about it, perhaps Apple and Google are tired of being caught in the middle and having to deal with both sides yapping at them.

How best to avoid being involved than by implementing strong encryption that can only be decrypted by the person who knows the key(s)? If approached by cops or the court, Apple/Google can truthfully shrug and say they "would if they could but they ain't cuz they can't".

28 posted on 09/25/2014 4:30:58 PM PDT by jaydee770
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To: re_tail20

And 5 minutes later Comney calls Cook.

Comney: You think I went over the top?
Cook: Naw, we fooled them all.
(insert evil laughter)


29 posted on 09/25/2014 5:00:34 PM PDT by Raymann
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To: babygene

“... 4 years as a cryptologist in the military “

That doesn’t give you insight into cryptology, only operational use of crypto equipment.

Since you think brute force is the only option, again, you haven’t a clue how the mathematics of cryptology works.


30 posted on 09/25/2014 5:09:33 PM PDT by CodeToad (Romney is a raisin cookie looking for chocolate chip cookie votes.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Double TsU.


31 posted on 09/25/2014 5:11:35 PM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: babygene

He does not have a clue what he is talking about.

It is common knowledge in security circles that US code decryption ability is regularly tested by other nation states. They encrypt data and place it where it will be an object of extreme interest to the NSA. If they manage to decrypt it certain actions will be taken based on the data retrieved...these actions are carefully watched for.

It would be a simple matter to run the same sort of test to see if Apple really has shut out the ability to decrypt the data on the iPhone. I’m sure Apple has thought of this possibility and know their reputation would take a serious hit if it was discovered they were lying.

As long as the crypto is well implemented only a major breakthrough in factoring or quantum computing will allow for decryption by anyone. If such a breakthrough were to be made it would soon become common knowledge as various governments changed their cryptographic methods. The only way a breakthrough could be kept secret is if the NSA never ever acted on any data they might decrypt...and they could share the data with no one.


32 posted on 09/25/2014 5:20:54 PM PDT by Bobalu (Hashem Yerachem (May God Have Mercy)
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To: re_tail20

He said he could not understand why companies would “market something expressly to allow people to place themselves beyond the law.”

What if you don’t own a phone? Are you above the law then?


33 posted on 09/25/2014 5:29:10 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: re_tail20

was looking for the fake news service tag.

guess he hates free citizens and citizen privacy. so inconvenient to the jackboot thug police state.


34 posted on 09/25/2014 5:29:11 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Dear FBI,

You. Might regain a small amount of respect after you convict the Holderidiot and the Obamadork

Until then, shove your worthless opinions up your Obamaholes.


35 posted on 09/25/2014 5:29:33 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: varyouga

maybe not huge, but probably one exists.


36 posted on 09/25/2014 5:31:51 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: re_tail20

37 posted on 09/25/2014 5:34:31 PM PDT by Brother Cracker (You are more likely to find krugerrands in a Cracker Jack box than 22 ammo at Wal-Mart)
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To: BBB333

How about its a free country.


38 posted on 09/25/2014 5:47:21 PM PDT by reefdiver (The fool says there is no God. And the bigger fools sees direct evidence and rages against it.)
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To: babygene
A lot of people are of that opinion, but it’s not true. If you use a random 128 bit password the NSA will still be able to break it by brute force, but it could take 100 years unless they get lucky. If their REALLY lucky they, of course, could get it on the first try. Of course if your really lucky you could win the power ball 5 times in a year too...

Quite true. It would appear that one of the biggest problems with publicly avaialble crypto is the key generation phase. serious  bugs have been found in key and entropy generation routines over the year. It's apparently something that is fairly easy to get majorly wrong, and it's not obvious unless you are specifically looking for it. It's actually fairly difficult for computers to generate truely random numbers, absent a physical source of true randomness.

With the processing power we have available today, there is no reason not to use anything less than 256 bit (or equivalent) keys or more unless you are doing real-time encryption of phone calls or something.

The hardest thing about encryption is simply protecting your private keys. Given how hard the NSA and the rest of FedGov works to hack random people's computers just because they can, it's tough to do without using an external token that can be disconnected the 99% of the time you're not encrypting your email.

Then, the other side of it is that you need to get your recipients to understand that encryption isn't just something used by terrorists. The police state has done a really good job of making it harder to use than it should be. Hell, I was using PGP back when it was a command line DOS program.  Given the rise of the internet, and general connectedness, you should be using clear text for a small minority of your communications by now.

Sadly, people just don't understand or value their privacy enough to take that step.

39 posted on 09/25/2014 10:52:20 PM PDT by zeugma (The act of observing disturbs the observed.)
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To: re_tail20; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; Aliska; ..
Another article on the FBI Director's angst on the Apple and Google privacy policies PING!


Apple Privacy Ping!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me. http://www.worldwidehippies.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Obama_Howdy_Doodat.jpg

40 posted on 09/25/2014 11:42:57 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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