Posted on 10/12/2014 11:02:27 AM PDT by B4Ranch
It’s nice to hear that you are willing to endure bankruptcy which would be the result of denying service to a potential LGBT client under todays laws. The Colorado bakery had a judgement of $150,000.00 set against them. Then there’s the legal fees on top of that.
You are correct, and I don’t like this solution either.
What is it that Christ requires of me? What is my purpose in life? It is to worship and glorify the Triune God.
So... If I owned a bakery that made cakes, I would hang pictures of Jesus and Mary throughout my store and maybe display a rosary or two. Perhaps I would even add some holy water to my cake recipe.
And yes I would bake the cake. If gays are going to be flamboyant in their perversion then I am going to be outwardly demonstrative of my faith. Either they will convert, run out of my store ASAP or leave me alone.
One of the reasons, I believe Christians are losing the narrative is because we have allowed our voices to be silenced once we leave the pews on Sunday (if we even go.)
I think the best approach was suggested by another Freeper months ago. Hang a sign that says all proceeds from gay wedding cages will be donated to anti-gay groups.
In that case, you’re not refusing service. But if they choose to use your services, they are participating in funding their opponents.
Lord help us because this is an area fraught with pitfalls.
What would make more sense would be a 1st Amendment defense connected with the freedom of a particular “press” (in this case the photographer and the cake inscriber). It probably needs to be pushed to the Feds to make it stick, however. And that’s getting weaker daily. There may come a time for stark sacrifice, i.e. so that he will never be lassoed into serving a “gay” wedding, he will not service any weddings.
Or, homosexuality recovery groups... that would be at least a worldly way to fight it.
A while back someone here posted that the business owners should post a sign saying they donate all proceeds from such weddings to reversal therapy organizations.
For that matter... just continuing to muse here... why not only service ex-gay celebrations (e.g. it’s been 10 years since... etc.) There is no analogue in the LGBT world. Unless they want to say they changed and became “gay” X years ago. Which they will never do because that is to cede a tenet.
I have to say right on from a worldly point of view. From strict gospel ethics, it would still be wrong. But it’s less wrong than some other wrong things are.
Nope, that’s not what was discussed.
It’s simple. Cake decorator gives a sheet with a list of names and telephones to call for wedding cakes. Non-wedding cake requests get direct service.
When a call is made to the list, homosexuals are directed away from the Christian business. Traditional wedding cake requests are routed right back to the original bakery.
Result is no homosexual marriage business is transacted with Christian bakery.
The solution is obvious: Just one state needs to decide to end licensing and collecting marriage records.
Is a mohel required to perform circumcisions on Muslim or Christian children?
Sorry, but you have misinterpreted what this whole thng is about. It IS about forcing you to "celebrate" their "love". Sub-contracting out is not going to cut it, because you still are practicing your religion. That must be stopped, or you must be put out of business.
It is your existence, as a Christian, that bothers them, not that you have a business. It seems like a war against Christian businesses; but, it is actually a war against Christians themselves. You must be forced to comply, or else they will ruin you. Period. No other outcome is acceptable to them. They will not accept your compromise. You are not dealing with reasonable people.
Getting a bit off topic maybe, but most mohels will. They offer it as a secular service (and Jewish law does not deem it wrong).
The moral compromise there might be enough to satisfy some. They got the Christian to accommodate them in some manner.
The Christian could say we will give you a blank cake to do with as you please, we ask no questions. But inscribing to a “gay marriage”? Nyet. Not us, not someone we subcontract to.
I was just watching Ted Olsen and Tony Perkins debate this subject on Fox News.
Ted compared this to the civil rights movement’s defense of interracial marriage. He also lied to the host, saying there wasn’t anyone harmed by “gay” marriage in Massachusetts (but Tony responded with the mention of adoption agencies in Massachusetts that had to close).
The civil-rights premise Ted used regarding interracial couples compared to homosexual “marriage” is invalid.
Interracial marriages do not violate Biblical law (Torah/Commandments). Same-sex marriages definitely do offend people of faith.
As we will soon see, these same “civil rights” defenders will mount a legal assault against both churches and entire systems of faith, labeling them “discriminatory” under the law. Soon after, tax-exempt status will be jeopardized for these same faith-based institutions, and they will be blacklisted from doing business or from receiving any type of cooperation from local, state, or the federal government (much like the BSA has experienced).
If people of faith stick to their Biblical belief system, they will have to go underground and worship in secret, just like in any (other) Communist country.
Most interesting. Bump for later consideration.
Fixed It...Endlessly striving to purge political correctness!
Divorcing Christian observance from social approval might have some salutory effects. Christians have been diluting gospel because a diluted gospel was being welcomed. But now the gospel that is welcomed is one that is so (pardon the pun) buggered, that this compromise is no longer acceptable.
American culture being what it is, maybe it will continue to go on in the open in churches for a while. Nobody knows when the slide will stop; perhaps another revival is still in God’s cards once the need for it becomes painfully evident.
Buggery is not the only way homosexuality is expressed. Be accurate when you try to be accurate.
There is nothing you need to say out loud to the LGBT client.
From the thread article.
You are not required to announce your religious beliefs to the LGBT client who enter your place of business. You are not refusing the LGBT customer request that he or she employ your company to do work that you advertise you are willing to do. You ask the LGBT client all the normal questions that you would any client. Then you call another Small Business Owner whose religious beliefs are such that they do not interfere with them doing the work under a sub-contract for your LGBT client. You get a bid from the other SBO and relay the cost to your LGBT client. They will then either accept or refuse the bid. In which case they are free to search for another SBO to do their work.
Should they accept your bid, you then call the sub contractor and tell him to proceed with the job as you have outlined it in your previous phone call. He does the work, delivers the product to you, you call the LGBT client and tell them to come in, settle the bill and collect the finished product.
Quite granted. The question is, are we talking about picky points of the “right way” to do a still-wrong thing. If I am a pimp does that make me clean of the ills of prostitution?
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