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Pope's role in Cuba deal fractures Cuban-American flock
wics abc 20 / ap ^ | 12-21-2014 | MATT SEDENSKY

Posted on 12/21/2014 9:29:07 AM PST by Citizen Zed

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To: entropy12

FIFTY YEARS after the USA became a nation we were an economic powerhouse!

FIFTY YEARS after the Cuban revolution they are still trying to make “La Revolo-o-o-cion” work!


21 posted on 12/21/2014 10:04:03 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Citizen Zed

Obola and Frances are peas in the same Marxist pod.


22 posted on 12/21/2014 10:32:30 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Any energy source that requires a subsidy is, by definition, "unsustainable.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Francis is just carrying on the work of his fellow Argie, Che.


23 posted on 12/21/2014 10:34:29 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Citizen Zed

A string of Bad Popes will kill the Catholic Church


24 posted on 12/21/2014 11:11:38 AM PST by molson209 (Blank)
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To: entropy12
Has the 50 year Cuba embargo succeeded?
Castro crowd gone?
Cubans more free than 50 years ago?
Are there less human rights violations now compared to 50 years ago?
Cubans richer than 50 years ago?
Is the Cuba embargo beneficial to US economy?
How long does an embargo has to be in effect to be called a success? How is not this a failed policy after 50 years of trying? Does this policy fit definition of insanity?

Can some Cuba experts explain please?


By all means, please let me explain.

Back around October in the early 1960’s Cuba conspired with the USSR to become a base for Russian offensive Nuclear missiles. This would have left the America open to nuclear attack from bases 90 miles from it's shores.

Cuba has had a long history of meddling in the internal affairs of other nations. It has not only done that but it has openly participated in insurrections, trained guerrillas and provided funds to wage civil wars in many countries.

From the the 1960’s until the fall of the USSR 1990’s the Cuba Military sent Cuban soldiers on Soviet sponsored missions of revolutionary communist conquest all over the world.

These Cuban mercenaries fueled wars, assented leaders, organized and executed coups and devastated much of South, Central and North Africa, South and Central America, the Philippines, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Algeria, and other countries.

Fidel Castro was a pioneer of State Sponsored Terror. Castro's Cuba was a major player in the rise of State Sponsored Terror.

Castro's Cuba was, and still is, a hot bed for international terror and safe haven for terrorists. The Baader-Meinhof Gang, The Red Army Factions, The PLO , The Japanese Red Army, The Peruvian Shining Path Guerrillas, ect were supported, trained, based by Cuba
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From an article published in The Atlantic titled. “How the Soviet Union Transformed Terrorism”

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/12/how-the-soviet-union-transformed-terrorism/250433/

Here is a brief excerpt

“Russia is the birthplace of modern terrorism. The Russian nihilists of the 19th century combined political powerlessness with a propensity for gruesome violence, but their attacks were aimed at the Tsarist state and ruling classes. Later, the Soviet Union and its allies actively supported terrorism as a means to politically inconvenience and undermine its opponents. The East German Stasi and the KGB provided funds, equipment, and “networking” opportunities to the myriad of leftist German terrorist cells in the 1960s, 70s and 80s. The Red Army Faction and the 2nd June Movement in Germany, as well as the Red Brigades in Italy, shared Marxist philosophies, a hatred of America, solidarity with the Palestinians, and opposition to the generation, some of its members still in power, that had supported the Nazis and fascists. They were good foundations for a Cold War fifth column. It was not just Europe, either: Soviet equipment, funding, training and guidance flowed across the globe, either directly from the KGB or through the agencies of key allies, like the Rumanian Securitate, the Cuban General Intelligence Directorate.”

Cuban has played and continues to play a big role in Islamic Terror.

Many of the Communist terror groups. Cuban and Cuban organized, trained and led soldiers and terrorists tortured, murdered and intimidated civilians all over the world and continue to do so to this day.

As documented from the US State Department Report, “Overview of State-Sponsored Terrorism, Patterns of Global Terrorism -2000, Released by the Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism, April 2001”, the Cuban role in terror and meddling in other countries affairs actively continues to this day

Excerpted from the Coordinator for Counterterrorism’s report

“Cuba continued to provide safe haven to several terrorists and US fugitives in 2000. A number of Basque ETA terrorists who gained sanctuary in Cuba some years ago continued to live on the island, as did several US terrorist fugitives.

Havana also maintained ties to other state sponsors of terrorism and Latin American insurgents. Colombia's two largest terrorist organizations, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia and the National Liberation Army, both maintained a permanent presence on the island of Cuba ..”

Cuba has installed a Cuban style political control, intimidation and suppression system in Venezuela on behalf of Hugo Chavez in return for oil to prop up Cuba's failing economy and and it's Cuban General Intelligence Directorate thugs and military “advisers” and Cuban expat mercenary soldiers have kept Hugo Chavez and his successor in power and have brutally terrorized and suppressed political opposition

Cuba was heavily involved in the attempted Marxist takeover of Honduras led by Manuel Zelaya both as direct actor as well as in collaboration with Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.

This is just a small overview of the unprovoked horror Cuba has inflicted on the rest of the world and the terrorist and Socio-Anarchist revolutionary groups and movements Cuba actively supports to this day .

The only thing that limits the damage the malignant Castro regime in Cuba is willing to unilaterally inflict on the rest of the world is that Castro has so badly run the country into the ground economically, politically and morally that Cuba is a broken down, basket case country barely able to feed it's population.

The current self inflicted weakness of Cuba has seriously degraded it's ability to support international terror and export revolution and anything that President Obama does to support Cuba will directly assist Cuba in expanding it's support of international terror and allow it to resume it's active export of Marxist Revolution around the globe. Hope this is helpful

25 posted on 12/21/2014 11:15:37 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn

Unless I’m confused, the issue is not whether Cuba has been naughty.

It’s whether: A. sanctions have proven to be effective at modifying Cuban behavior; and B. whether Cuba has done anything that multiple other countries with which we’ve long had “normal” relations have not also done.

That said, the US has long been the only country imposing sanctions on Cuba, so it’s not exactly like they’ve been cut off from the world.


26 posted on 12/21/2014 12:42:10 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
It’s whether: A. sanctions have proven to be effective at modifying Cuban behavior; and B. whether Cuba has done anything that multiple other countries with which we’ve long had “normal” relations have not also done.


Raul Castro and his daughter's recent comments demonstrate that Cuban has no intention of changing it's policies or modifying it's behavior.

The only option is keeping our boots on Cuba's throat to keep them down physically and economically too weak to do any damage

27 posted on 12/21/2014 1:04:45 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: rdcbn

I am really curious.

With the US the only company in the world not doing business with Cuba, in what way does this keep “a boot on their throat?”

I’m not opposed particularly to a boot, I just don’t see how it exists.


28 posted on 12/21/2014 1:06:34 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: rdcbn
Raul Castro and his daughter's recent comments demonstrate that Cuban has no intention of changing it's policies or modifying it's behavior.

So much for the "new and improved" approach.

29 posted on 12/21/2014 1:08:20 PM PST by windsorknot
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To: rdcbn

Your post revolves around how bad Cuba is under Castro is.
And I am in complete agreement. It is still very bad!

However the subject at hand is trade embargo.

Again, I ask the same question...
Has the 50 year old trade embargo been a success?
Is Cuba behaving better than 50 years ago? Yon answered that in your post. such as Castro’s influence in Venezuela.

Richard Nixon visited communist China and that was the beginning of China re-entering the world trade.

May be we should try something different with Cuba after 50 years. You know what they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? Insanity!


30 posted on 12/21/2014 3:00:50 PM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: X-spurt

Not really.

What he is is a shallow, egotistical man who loves applause. Those who knew him for years, even working closely with him, say that he will say one thing to a bunch of traddy Catholics in the morning, and the opposite to a bunch of dissident Catholics in the afternoon.


31 posted on 12/21/2014 3:16:59 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: livius

Cupich (Chicago) is only 65, but he fits in perfectly with the pro-abortion trio of Wuerl, Dolan, and O’Malley. I say “pro-abortion” because you can’t snuggle with and coddle pro-abortion Catholic politicians FOREVER and expect people to believe that you are not, truly, pro-abortion.


32 posted on 12/21/2014 3:20:25 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: entropy12
In the 60’s, 70’ and 80’s Cuba was waging an open war of aggression with tens of thousands of troops all over the world to export Cuba's violent version of Marxist revolution.

The Cuban mercenary soldier was an icon of the Communist Revolutionary struggle.

Our sanctions have reduced Cuba to begging for oil from Venezuela to keep the Cuban economy afloat and Castro is now far more concerned with keeping the lights on in Havana that conquering the capitalist world and bringing the Yankee Imperialists to their knees by beating them into submission.

The fact that we have not heard the term Yankee Imperialists being used much in the last 20 years or so should be a clue that the sanctions have worked and that that is a good thing.

Fundamentally, one must understand that the Castro regime exploits and oppresses the Cuban people.

Until the Castro regime is gone and the Cuban people have a chance for true economic freedom any aid to Cuba will simply be stolen by the Castro Regime and used to further it's oppression and exploitation of the Cuban people.

With the drop in oil prices, the Cuban Venezuelan connection cannot prevent the much delayed collapse of the Castro's regime, so now Obama is throwing the Castro's a life line to keep them in power and continue their oppression of the Cuban people.

33 posted on 12/21/2014 4:46:27 PM PST by rdcbn
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To: Arthur McGowan

Yes, Cupich is one of the gang.


34 posted on 12/21/2014 5:26:19 PM PST by livius
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To: entropy12

The point is that the Cuban embargo was more or less symbolic, since nobody else did it and Cuba has had lots of European and other trade and tourism for decades now. Of course, the Europeans usually go to visit the underage girl prostitutes, but that’s par for the course in a Communist country. European businesses used to give away “Cuban sex tours” as incentives for their top salesmen.

In the case of other embargoes, such as that of South Africa under apartheid, many states ceased trading with the country, thanks to US and UN pressure, and the embargo was a genuine hardship. But Cuba’s hardship comes from its lack of a functional economy, lack of production, reliance on foreign gifts, etc., and has nothing to do with the embargo.


35 posted on 12/21/2014 5:35:46 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

Like Wuerl, Dolan, and O’Malley, Cupich is publicly committed to committing MORTAL SIN.

That’s right, MORTAL SIN.

Giving Communion to anyone in violation of Canon 915 is a mortal sin, because it is always a cause of grave scandal, and it is always public participation in a sacrilegious act.

When a pro-abortion politician receives Communion, he is ENTITLED to say, “See? My pro-abortion position is not sinful. If it were sinful, the bishop/priest/deacon/EMHC would be obliged to refuse Communion. But they don’t!”

In this way, Cupich, Wuerl, Dolan, O’Malley, and almost all other bishops proclaim to the world: “Abortion is not a grave sin.”

As long as no Pope removes bishops for publicly committing themselves to the commission of MORTAL SIN, the Popes are complicit in this mortal sin.

As long as this cancer continues, totally unchecked, expect the Catholic Church in the West to continue to ROT and PUTREFY.

There is no possibility that this putrefaction will ever be noticed by Francis. There is no hope until there is another Pope, and if the next Pope is chosen from the same cesspool as Francis...


36 posted on 12/21/2014 5:48:15 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: dfwgator

After 23 years suffering torture and humiliations in Castro’s political dungeons, Cuban writer and poet, Armando Valladares recalled: “During those years, with the purpose of forcing us to abandon our religious beliefs and to demoralize us, the Cuban Communist indoctrinators repeatedly used the statements made by some representatives of the American Christian churches. Every time a pamphlet was published in U.S., every time a clergyman would write an article in support of Castro’s dictatorship, a translation would be given to us, and that was far worse for the Christian political prisoners than the beatings or the hunger. Incomprehensible to us, while we waited for the embrace of solidarity from our brothers in Christ, those who were embraced were our tormentors.”

After more than 50 years of violations of their human rights, is inconceivable that once again the Cuban people is betrayed by those most called to defend and demand their right to freedom and the respect for their human dignity. Pope Francis negotiated and blessed a Faustian accord in which an apprentice of tyrant came to the rescue of the regimen of a genocide tyrant throwing under bus and condemning the Cuban people to eternal damnation. By this accord, the American taxpayers will keep afloat the Cuban government assuming the financing the Stalinist regime.


37 posted on 12/28/2014 3:30:10 PM PST by Dqban22 (Hpo<p> http://i.imgur.com/26RbAPx.jpg)
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To: entropy12

Sorry, you are misinformed. United States is the number one trader on food and medicine with Cuba including being the biggest on free donations. Thanks to the embargo, Cuba has to pay on advance for the goods Castro buys in U.S. Cuba trades freely with more than 140 nations worldwide, but they stopped selling to Cuba on credit because Cuba defaulted in all their commercial debts. Cuba’s international credit is the lowest in world, on par with Somalia. By ending the embargo Obama force the taxpayers to pay for the goods American business will sell to Castro when Cuba, as usual, defaults in its debts.


38 posted on 12/29/2014 6:37:18 AM PST by Dqban22 (Hpo<p> http://i.imgur.com/26RbAPx.jpg)
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To: Dqban22

You are confusing food & medicine sales, which are basically for humanitarian reasons, with ability of PRIVATE businesses to trade with Cuba. Corporations from USA can not set up factories in Cuba, or import Cuban goods for sale in USA. Not even Cuban cigars!


39 posted on 12/29/2014 10:44:24 AM PST by entropy12 (Dumb and Dumber to borrow money from China to protect oil flow to China from middle-east.)
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To: entropy12

Every foreign corporation that invested in Cuba under Castro were screwed by the Cuban government. It is masochism for American business men to invest in Cuba, even if it were legal, to follow the path of all other foreign investors. All assets of American corporation operating in Cuba were confiscated without compensation by Castro’s Stalinist regimen at the beginning of the revolution. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. The big losers in the Castro/Obama/Francis pact, the oppressed Cuban people and the American taxpayers. The winners the torturers of the Cuban people whose decayed regimen is going to be kept afloat by the largesse of comrade Obama.


40 posted on 12/29/2014 12:03:28 PM PST by Dqban22 (Hpo<p> http://i.imgur.com/26RbAPx.jpg)
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