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To: Bellagio
Have to disagree with your implied response. "...because these people are scientists and engineers automatically makes them PC tech-savvy."

BS. I know several engineers and scientists, good friends of mine. Not only are they horrible with troubleshooting PC's, they have ZERO tolerance to troubleshoot! I was talking with one of those friends one day while he was having issues with his PC. He asked if I would take a look at it having admitted he was no good with them, and what did I find?? PC-laptop was hosed up with several viruses.

Yup, he was a EE and couldn't figure out his PC's ailment. Oh, yeah... I also had to show him how to change the RAM in it. So yeah, for many... MACS are indeed for those who have no patients for PC troubles or care to resolve them.

So your experience with ONE EE means that all are not? Talk about taking the specific to the general. My experience is the opposite. Most Mac users are actually quite computer literate, being familiar with TWO operating systems, since the majority of Mac users came from the Windows environment, while most Windows users are barely savvy in the one they're working in now.

On the other hand, most engineers and savvy in the know people DON'T want to spend their valuable time trouble shooting a dumb computer, so they select one that doesn't require trouble shooting and works with them on what THEY want to get done. Ergo, the sheer number of Macs you see in the photo personally selected by people who don't want to waste time trouble shooting machines that are prone to requiring trouble shooting.

102 posted on 01/23/2015 6:39:35 PM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users contnue...)
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To: Swordmaker

“...So your experience with ONE EE means that all are not? Talk about taking the specific to the general. My experience is the opposite.”

You don’t read too well do you? ... arrogant too.

I said... “Not only are they horrible with troubleshooting PC’s, they have ZERO tolerance to troubleshoot!”

Key word “They”. I used ONE as an example though most were inept and clumsy dealing with PC tech issues. My experience is 180 from yours having had almost 40 years associating with scientists & engineers in manufacturing, research and development. Most, and I mean MOST, were and still are very computer-tech illiterate, using computers only as a tool to perform their work.

“My experience is the opposite. Most Mac users are actually quite computer literate, being familiar with TWO operating systems, since the majority of Mac users came from the Windows environment...”

I’m 180 on that comment too. The PC’s users I have known for almost 30 years don’t like Mac’s and would never own one. And the Mac users I know were always Mac users and are Mac obsessed. Very few were converts from PC’s let alone cared to know both OS’s and hardware. The Mac obsessed ones had little if any troubleshooting skills with PC’s, and quite ignorant with PC’s in general.

“... while most Windows users are barely savvy in the one they’re working in now.”

Very true, as MAC users are also barely savvy in troubleshooting the one they’re working in now. Oh yeah, as you pointed out in your next quote... Mac users don’t have to worry about being tech-savvy and taking time-out troubleshooting on MAC’s since Mac’s work with them on what THEY want to get done. You sound like a Mac salesman.

Not too bias against PS’s are we now?

“On the other hand, most engineers and savvy in the know people DON’T want to spend their valuable time trouble shooting a dumb computer, so they select one that doesn’t require trouble shooting and works with them on what THEY want to get done. Ergo, the sheer number of Macs you see in the photo personally selected by people who don’t want to waste time trouble shooting machines that are prone to requiring trouble shooting.”

Oh, puh-lease... both hardware and OS platforms have their issues. I personally find Macs annoying to work on. They’re overpriced and appeal mainly to those esthetic weenies of the entertainment, graphics and marketing industries.

Yeah, those so-called engineers and scientists in the JPL photo I’m sure bought their Macs because it was more practical and performed better and more reliability at twice the price. No, they bought them to be cool because to them a Mac is like a Mercedes and a PC is like a 1971 Chevy Camero. The horsepower is the same and they both get you to where you want to go. But the Mac user will service their Mac at the Mercedes Store while the PC user will pull it apart on his kitchen table and fix it with off-the-shelf parts because under the hood is an engine and bolts... not a bunch of plastic, wires and the “Reignac-sur-Indre”

Mac hardware and software are a lock-down, proprietary and difficult to service on your own and are restrictive in options, expandability any customization.

The (2) in the room with the PC’s I would say are the true-at-heart engineers. They want to be able to open the PC and fix it, not pussy it over to a Mac Store afraid to break a nail as the service attendant takes them for a $500-1000 repair ride while the PC user could fix most issues for $50 bucks or less!

Anyways... whatever.

It’s obvious you embrace Macs. To me Macs suck because they’re proprietary. I could care less one way or the other which is preferred. I prefer PC’s.


107 posted on 01/23/2015 9:48:50 PM PST by Bellagio
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