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The Progressive Myth of Creativity, Ken Robinson, and the Worst World Order
American Thinker ^ | Nov. 25, 2013 | Bruce Deitrick Price

Posted on 02/28/2015 3:44:04 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice

[Summary: Progressive education tends to celebrate creativity at the expense of knowledge and the traditional curriculum.] Creativity has been a big theme in progressive education for more than 75 years: We are constantly lectured that kids need music, art, theater, etc. This theme is now metastasizing into an oppressive dogma. But why?

Ken Robinson, the guru of creativity, is famous for saying “We are educating people out of their creative capacities.” The premise seems to be: if kids do arty things, they will end up being artists. Empirically untrue. Conversely, Robinson says that if children do something rigorous and academic, they will be prevented from being creative. Dangerously untrue.

Rearranging knowledge in new ways is arguably the very essence of creativity. It follows that the systematic acquisition of knowledge is one of the best things you can do if you want to be creative.

Furthermore, there are habits of mind or consciousness that can be developed only through practice and discipline. It’s always been understood that students learn by mastering basic skills and then by completing more and more difficult projects, not empty make-believe projects, but real projects such as speaking French, understanding American History, or figuring out how computers work.

Professor Robert Weisberg wrote a book called “Creativity, Genius and other myths” where he stated: “There is evidence that deep immersion is required in a discipline before you produce anything of great novelty....There is this concept that genius has leaps of insight way beyond everybody else. If you look at the background of these people, there is much more of a progression They don’t make leaps--they build in small pieces.” In short, Weisberg says that drills do not stifle creativity. They engender it.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; History; Society
KEYWORDS: cognitive; k12reform; progressive
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1 posted on 02/28/2015 3:44:04 PM PST by BruceDeitrickPrice
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

This writer couldn’t be more wrong.


2 posted on 02/28/2015 4:01:50 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Creativity is having the wit to capitalize on your mistakes.

After deep immersion in a subject, and drawing on frequent immersion in various subjects, eventually your brain gets something mixed up between the subjects. Sometimes, that momentary confusion is a novel concept worthy of inquiry - creation, if you have the where-with-all to see it.


3 posted on 02/28/2015 4:04:19 PM PST by Tellurian (Obama's allegiance is to his "father's" dreams)
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To: demshateGod
Care to elaborate? Because I think creativity requires mind-numbing rote learning at some point.

/johnny

4 posted on 02/28/2015 4:07:05 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice
Progressives speak a lot of nonsense and declare it to be profound. They don't even agree on what something means but they claim that the "multiple" meanings proves how profound it really is.

This photo by Andreas Gursky is a perfect example of profound nothing of progressivism. A collector paid some $4.5 million for it. Gursky claims it portrays the constraints mankind has placed on the world's waterways.



There is no real creativity or artistry to it. I actually like minimalistic art but this is straight lines sold on the claim that they mean something profound.

To me, its a perfect example of the damage progressives are doing to all arts and sciences.
5 posted on 02/28/2015 4:08:01 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: demshateGod

And I think he couldn’t be more right.


6 posted on 02/28/2015 4:08:40 PM PST by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: Thorliveshere

I’ve never thought of creativity as something that must be learned and progressivism damn sure isn’t the place to learn it if it was.

If anything, progressives are desperately trying to bring about a new dark age by trying to constrain everything to one size fits all formulation.


7 posted on 02/28/2015 4:17:05 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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8 posted on 02/28/2015 4:25:42 PM PST by RedMDer (Keep Free Republic Alive with YOUR Donations!)
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To: cripplecreek
A trust fund 'collector' was conned out of 4.5 mill by some grafter, in the name of "art" (small 'a').

The longer artists and leftists indulge in this mutual masturbation, the less focused they are on the rest of the world, which benefits us.

The dumb, stupid, you know, democrats will be left behind.

9 posted on 02/28/2015 4:30:50 PM PST by jonascord (It's sarcasm unless otherwise noted...)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

You have to understand the science of a discipline before you can become an artist in a discipline.


10 posted on 02/28/2015 4:33:26 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: jonascord
The longer artists and leftists indulge in this mutual masturbation, the less focused they are on the rest of the world, which benefits us.

Bingo. As long as we continue to teach our children to be the true free thinkers they will be the innovators.
11 posted on 02/28/2015 4:34:09 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

We are educating people out of their creative capacities.

A main pillar of the left is Rousseau’s NOBLE SAVAGE. European Pagans and natives of Africa, Asia, Australia and the Americas were all good people with no problems until Judeo-Christian-Greco-Roman imperialist ideas colonialized their brains. The main purpose of education is to liberate them from those imperialist ideas.

Most leftiss are the unabomber without the bomb...Bill Ayers without the bomb...just the desire to destroy our oppressive culture.


12 posted on 02/28/2015 4:40:03 PM PST by spintreebob
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I pulled my kids out of public school because they were not being taught correctly. Sight words instead of phonics. they were behind in reading at that point now they are way ahead.

And a funny thing happened the other day. My 14 year old was fighting my 16 year old for a advanced chemistry book. My sixteen year old wanted to keep it and my 14 year old wanted to learn it.

How many teenagers in public school fight over a textbook about alkanes and alkenes?

13 posted on 02/28/2015 4:42:32 PM PST by jimpick
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To: cripplecreek
I’ve never thought of creativity as something that must be learned and progressivism damn sure isn’t the place to learn it if it was.

Yep, I don't think creativity can be learned either. I'm sick of progressives trying to make EVERYBODY "creative," I mean, I don't want everybody "creative" where everybody is an artist, a poet, a fashion designer, what have you. We NEED engineers! And we need chemists, and we need all of those "boring" careers to keep this country competitive and ahead of the game!

"Creativity" pushes everybody out of practical fields and into areas where they end up selling their paintings at the local art fair for $2.00 a piece. Am I making sense?
14 posted on 02/28/2015 4:46:13 PM PST by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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We NEED engineers! And we need chemists

Those are creative careers but even there progressives are trying to force them into a box which is pretty damaging to all of society.
15 posted on 02/28/2015 4:59:26 PM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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To: JRandomFreeper

You certainly need to drill information into kids. However, the design of corporate education is fundamentally flawed.

Ken Robinson’s main thesis is knowing what kids (and anyone else) are made to do. What brings them joy, what they’re good at, and what sustains them. He’s against one-size fits all style of education that’s designed to bring everyone into subjection through reward and punishment. Some kids really struggle in that conformity system. He actually has the best argument for homeschooling outside of God’s explicit command. I was in public school, creativity is not the enemy. The schools have an aggressive program of conformity. The Element is a great book.


16 posted on 02/28/2015 5:09:56 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yep. We need to go back to what worked. Common Core is disastrous.


17 posted on 02/28/2015 5:17:38 PM PST by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
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To: demshateGod
Corporate education, along the lines of a long-dead german, is way out of line, but memorizing multiplication tables isn't corporate education. It's just education.

/johnny

18 posted on 02/28/2015 5:18:52 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (gone Galt)
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To: cripplecreek

Tax dodge.


19 posted on 02/28/2015 5:44:01 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: BruceDeitrickPrice

Before producing anything creative in a field, one first must get a clue about the field.


20 posted on 02/28/2015 5:45:21 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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