Posted on 05/26/2015 11:21:01 AM PDT by pabianice
Edited on 05/26/2015 11:51:59 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Nine people were killed and 18 people were injured Sunday in a motorcycle gang gunfight outside a restaurant in Waco, Texas.
Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton described the incident to local media, thusly, “It is one of the most violent scenes I’ve seen in my 34 years as a police officer in Waco.”
Yikes! It was an apparent bloodbath at Twin Peaks, the name of the restaurant. Police recovered over 100 weapons from the surrounding area, including chains, clubs, knives and guns. And at least 165 people were arrested, the majority of which have ties to five different biker gangs. Thankfully, no civilians or police were injured or killed.
Needless to say, it was quite the crime scene. And it got me thinking, what can one learn from this scenario? Well, here are five lessons to take away:
1. Avoid Large Groups of Nefarious Characters
Based on reports, it appeared that the establishment was a known biker hangout. And that the dispute may have been over a parking spot. Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t want to go to a place where one is bound to get killed over a stupid parking space.
What I mean to say is that, yeah, I’ve watched the television show “Sons of Anarchy.” And yeah, motorcycle gangs are cool in theory (i.e. in cinema, on TV) but that doesn’t mean I want to be around one in real life. Same holds true for mobsters or any other group of shady individuals. When possible, steer clear of folks with a bad reputation. If you know where they congregate, don’t go there. Go to Applebees instead.
2. Leave Before the Trouble Starts
Duh! This is a no-brainer that goes hand and hand with number one. Assuming you don’t know the area and end up going to a place that feels off (your spidey senses start tingling), leave.
Think about it. Pretend for a moment you’re eating lunch with your family at Twin Peaks and all of a sudden hordes of bikers pull up to the restaurant. Do you stick around to see what happens? What kind of food they order? Nope. Not a chance. Perhaps on a normal day or by the numbers, 9 out of 10 times, nothing will happen. But do you really want to be around for that 10th time? Don’t think so. Grab the check from the waitress, a few to-go boxes and skedaddle.
3. Assume Everyone is Armed
Maybe I’m weird, but I go through life assuming almost everyone is armed. Not babies, but everyone else. It’s a prepare for the worse but hope for the best type of mentality. So, if I’m in a crowded situation, I’m always concerned about (a) Who is behind me? and (b) Where are the exits?
If there are people behind me, chances are they’re going to beat me to the draw because I can’t see them. Therefore, I want to know how many there are at my six and if/where I can situate myself to minimize exposure to them. Just makes sense. Get to a place were you can hopefully see everyone. Now, it’s not always possible, but when it can be done, do it.
With respect to the exits, you never know when a situation will “pop off,” so to speak. But when it does, it often happens very quickly, in which case you want to move out of the danger zone or line of fire as fast as possible. Without knowing exactly where and how far away the exits are, this will be a problem. Always search for and find the exits.
4. Numbers Matter
Look, I may have a handgun on me with a couple of extra magazines, but in a situation where there are hundreds of people with various weapons, I’m not only outgunned, I’m outnumbered. I’m already starting at a great disadvantage. In this scenario, flight over fight is ultimately the best strategy for surviving.
5. Don’t Get Involved.
If someone at the grocery store or at a restaurant takes my parking space, I might bitch to my girlfriend about it in the privacy of our vehicle — but I ultimately let it go. I don’t let the minor offense ruin my day. Overall, I tend to ignore rude people. Life is so much better this way.
I’d highly suggest everyone adopt this mindset. Ignore rudeness. Don’t get involved in a confrontation over something trivial, e.g. a parking spot. Ask yourself this, are you willing to die for it? If not, let it go and don’t get involved.
Conclusion
So there you have it, five lessons one can learn (or help be reminded of) from the biker gunfight in Waco, Texas: avoid sketchy people, leave before trouble starts, assume everyone is armed, assess the relative size of the threat, and don’t get involved unless you absolutely have to.
So....kill them all was the answer?
Actually the ATF got their hats handed to them by a few motivated riflemen during the initial publicity seeking raid to bolster their upcoming budget funding. The FBI ended it with an armored massacre.
Some of the “weapons” included nail clippers.
I used to be a tanker. In the photos of the burning complex, that vehicle has a very short main gun and an overhead boom, which makes it a `CEV” or Combat Engineer Vehicle, used for breaching operations. IIRC they deployed the boom to push incendiaries through the flimsy walls & set the whole place alight.
Simply arresting David Koresh on one of his downtown jaunts might have prevented the massacre.
And the Feds killed the children.
There wasn’t any. The purpose of the child abuse accusations was to enflame people against them exactly as demonstrated by the previous post. Makes it easier to murder over a hundred people on live TV apparently.
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Kind of like enflaming by exaggerating the number of dead?
Last count I saw was 97, 17 of which were children. Sucking up to the jackboots much?
Can’t argue with that common sense nugget!
If they had prior evidence of that why did the ATF lie to a Federal judge about drug dealing to get a warrant? And what does the ATF have to do with child abuse or drug dealing?
If you see a bunch of choppers in the parking lot, don’t stop.
Last count I saw was 97, 17 of which were children. Sucking up to the jackboots much?
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Yes, because you are clearly wrong about the numbers, I’m sucking up to the jackboots.
You noted that it was more than 100.
I’ve seen 76 or 80 that died on April 19, the day of the fire.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/waco/topten2.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege#Fatalities_of_April_19
http://www.news.com.au/world/the-waco-massacre-a-fiery-end-to-a-whacko-cult/story-fndir2ev-1226623449407
You now note that you’ve seen the number 97.
You know what all 3 of those numbers have in common, none of them are greater than 100.
I’ve posted where I got my numbers from, will you do the same?
what do the forensics say about who fired the deadly shots..... i hear it was the cops..
That was NOT inside Waco...It was rural. Waco was the nearest city.
But it was started by ATF, Reno and Slick.
I read a lot of things and see a lot of speculation and opinions.
I’ll wait for the facts.
My #6. Don’t bring a bike to a gunfight.
Mount Carmel
Google it for more info
Thank You for Your Service.
First they pumped a bunch of CS GAS inside, then the incendiaries.
Koresh was in Town all the time even the Sheriff knew that and Koresh and He often had Coffee at the Cafe.
I know where it is. I also know where it once was.
OK
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