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HSBC fears world recession with no lifeboats left
Telegraph ^ | 5:00PM BST 24 May 2015 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 05/26/2015 6:06:34 PM PDT by 9thLife

The world economy is disturbingly close to stall speed. The United Nations has cut its global growth forecast for this year to 2.8pc, the latest of the multinational bodies to retreat.

It leaves a thin safety buffer against any economic shock - most potently if China abandons its crawling dollar peg and resorts to 'beggar-thy-neighbour' policies, transmitting a further deflationary shock across the global economy.

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Each of the past four US recoveries has been weaker than the last one. The average growth rate has fallen from 4.5pc in the early 1980s to nearer 2pc this time.

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The US cannot easily launch a fresh New Deal. Public debt was just 38pc on GDP when Franklin Roosevelt took power in 1933, and there were few contingent liabilities hanging over future US finances.

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It is now more likely than not that US economy has dropped through the Fed's stall-speed threshold of two consecutive quarters below 2pc growth. Exactly how far below is unclear. The Fed uses its own growth measure - gross domestic income (GDI) - and this data has not yet been published.

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Mr Perkins said China is now in a “classic debt deflation spiral” as excess capacity holds down prices.

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Russia, Brazil, Argentina, and Venezuela are all contracting sharply, casualties of the China-driven commodity bust. The UN says the growth rate for the emerging market nexus (ex-China) has dropped to 2.3pc from an average of 6.5pc in the glory years of 2004-2007.

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HSBC's Mr King says the global authorities face awful choices if the world economy hits the reefs in its current condition. The last resort may have to be "helicopter money", a radically different form of QE that injects money directly into the veins of economy by funding government spending.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: economy; global; globaleconomy; globalrecession; hsbc; recession
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To: BenLurkin

Stop making sense.

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21 posted on 05/26/2015 7:39:36 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: 9thLife
Sometime not long after the Fed raises the rate, that's all she wrote, folks. Get ready.

The world is drowning in debt warns Goldman Sachs
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3293747/posts


22 posted on 05/26/2015 8:41:15 PM PDT by familyop
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To: montag813
"The massive dollar strength over the past 5 sessions has been incredible."

Incredible: fitting description! The G-7, G-20 and other groups have been playing a dangerous game with currencies, and American-"based" manufacturing on foreign soil shouldn't have been counted.

The vicious cycles started by the rate increase will be wondrous to behold. It's amazing that the Chinese and Japanese have stayed with treasuries for so long.


23 posted on 05/26/2015 8:56:15 PM PDT by familyop
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To: BenLurkin
"Why not a form of QE that injects money directly into the veins of economy — by not removing it as taxes in the first place?"

This is why. Behold the "veins of the economy"--big, fat debt/revenues ingested, little revenues excreted (plus those of government-linked service businesses).

Leviathan (Uncle Sam employs more people than you think)
National Review ^ | 02/03/2011 | Iain Murray
"...nearly 40 million Americans employed in some way by government."

And among them,...

Heavy Hitters: Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2014
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $60,949,129 [Democrat] 81% [Republican] 1%”



America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution
http://spectator.org/articles/39326/americas-ruling-class-and-perils-revolution

The Fragmenting of the New Class Elites, or, Downward Mobility
http://volokh.com/2011/10/31/the-fragmenting-of-the-new-class-elites-or-downward-mobility/

Environmentalism and the Leisure Class
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2835601/posts

The New Upper Class and the Real Reason We Dislike Them
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2843575/posts

Are you a member of the political class?
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/are_you_a_member_of_the_politi.html


24 posted on 05/26/2015 9:03:41 PM PDT by familyop
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To: 9thLife

There is a real easy way to start fixing this problem, but no government is willing to give up their control and authority over their subjects.


25 posted on 05/26/2015 9:06:02 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - Classical Christian Approach to Homeschool ])
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To: ForYourChildren

Yes. But it would need to begin with closing county regulatory offices (building, zoning, etc.) and halting regulatory operations against owner-builders and tradesmen. Only then, would the real builders start some really productive activities in their small, homebuilt shops.

Business and leadership could use some new blood. Inbreeding has taken its toll to the extent, that we’re seeing all kinds of social pathologies above.


26 posted on 05/26/2015 9:14:43 PM PDT by familyop
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To: DesertRhino
that’s a BIG dope bank.

The "dope" part is news, but it is awfully damned big.

If they go down, the system is a cinch gonner.

27 posted on 05/27/2015 3:22:33 AM PDT by 9thLife (The dream is free. The hustle is sold separately.)
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To: familyop
Sometime not long after the Fed raises the rate, that's all she wrote, folks. Get ready.

Big entities don't simply disappear on failure; they fail into bigger entities.

R u getting my drift?

28 posted on 05/27/2015 3:25:59 AM PDT by 9thLife (The dream is free. The hustle is sold separately.)
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To: DesertRhino
HSBC

I know about Hillary,Bill,Clinton, but I don't know what the S is for.

29 posted on 05/27/2015 3:32:50 AM PDT by 9thLife (The dream is free. The hustle is sold separately.)
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To: 1010RD; A Cyrenian; abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; aposiopetic; Aquamarine; ..

 

Not sure if this is directly related but stocks took a bit of a hit yesterday, a percent drop in higher volume and durable goods orders are down.. 

30 posted on 05/27/2015 6:08:42 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Ditto. Same old stale bag o’ tricks -— more, More, MORE GOVERNMENT SPENDING.


31 posted on 05/27/2015 6:32:13 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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To: familyop

In your opinion, how to best prepare for the inevitable implosion of the world economy?

I already stockpile food and meds.

The scenario that is evolving in my head says that the gov’t will simply turn off city water and electricity to certain areas in order to get people to move somewhere else.


32 posted on 05/27/2015 7:26:45 AM PDT by T-Bone Texan (B.L.O.A.T. : Buy Lots Of Ammo Today)
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To: 9thLife; expat_panama
HSBC's Mr King says the global authorities face awful choices if the world economy hits the reefs in its current condition. The last resort may have to be "helicopter money", a radically different form of QE that injects money directly into the veins of economy by funding government spending.

Is that like starting random fires in hope of stopping a wild fire? Random - without thought, pattern or knowing....

33 posted on 05/27/2015 8:02:31 AM PDT by GOPJ ("The left hates those who confront evil" - Charlie Daniels)
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To: 9thLife
It is now more likely than not that US economy has dropped through the Fed's stall-speed threshold of two consecutive quarters below 2pc growth.

Janet has a plan to cure that. The FED is going to rejigger how they compute the 1st Qtr GDP.
And probably the other quarters as well. You say you don't like the economic performance numbers? Janet: "Well, then change just 'em."
(As she kicks the can down the road)

34 posted on 05/27/2015 9:46:52 AM PDT by citizen (WalkeRubio RIGHT For You 2016)
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To: montag813
The last resort may have to be "helicopter money", a radically different form of QE that injects money directly into the veins of economy by funding government spending.

They can get pointers on how best to implement this policy by contacting the government brain trust in Zimbabwe.

35 posted on 05/27/2015 9:51:28 AM PDT by citizen (WalkeRubio RIGHT For You 2016)
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To: T-Bone Texan
"In your opinion, how to best prepare for the inevitable implosion of the world economy?"

For everyone who is able, learn technical skills. Some examples are residential construction, auto repair, electronics and home energy (examples: homebuilt heating appliances like the rocket stove mass heater, solar water and space heating systems). Learn to make or manufacture a necessity or something useful. The info is all on the Net (search).

"I already stockpile food and meds."

Good!

Many tend to focus much on self-defense, maybe because it's exciting. I see many errors, although self-defense is good. There's much information around Net on that, too, but here's some advice from one who has much training experience.

It's your home. See who is entering your property, before they see you. Hide in advance. Use every bit of cover that can possibly be used. If there's no cover, use concealment. If attackers are armed and hunting you at your home, ambush from hiding. Avoid being seen or heard.

Consider every object and interaction in and around your home. Imagine all the ways that you might be attacked and need to defend yourself. Use your imagination to introduce new objects of various kinds (dim but usable lighting, masonry, rocks, rock gardens, alarms, fences, locks, low walls, furniture, etc.) onto your place.

Make it all pretty but effective. Put yourself in the shoes of your attacker. How would placements of objects in advance affect the attacker's thoughts and decisions? Even subtle changes in scenery can be very important.

Learning trades or technologies now will be much more important then.


36 posted on 05/27/2015 12:45:04 PM PDT by familyop
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To: T-Bone Texan

More specifically for your question, study on how to size and install a small solar electric power plant would be a good idea. Because of my situation too far from company power lines, solar power is all that I have besides a backup generator that is not often used. The study will take some time, but it’s well worth it.

As for water, a person with much space for storage can store water in a large tank, but it will get full of bacteria and stale. The water can be sterilized from time to time, but a filtering system might also be good.

For anyone who owns a vacant lot, it would be a good idea to research water wells already used in the area. Might be a map at the local county clerk’s office. If not, try a local geologist. If there’s a pretty good chance of finding good water under that vacant lot, call every well driller in the area.

Study various kind of water pumping installations. Remember that cisterns store water and sometimes eliminate any need for batteries (in small solar power plants for wells) or starting a generator every few minutes (to fill expansion tanks—hard on generators and pumps).

For folks in apartments with no space for any of the above, find a low-cost source of water. Get containers and fill them. Use the water and rotate stock to assure that the stored water will be as fresh as possible when needed.


37 posted on 05/27/2015 12:59:13 PM PDT by familyop
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To: 9thLife

The dollar sucks, but it sucks a little less than ever other currency. So we scrap by.


38 posted on 05/27/2015 1:02:46 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BenLurkin

Income taxes are evil. We need to get rid of them and replace them with sales taxes and tariffs.


39 posted on 05/27/2015 1:04:39 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Flick Lives

Read “This Time is Different” by Rogoff and Reinhart.
Nothing has changed in 500 years.


40 posted on 05/27/2015 7:20:06 PM PDT by iceskater (Enjoy your chains, comrades.)
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