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Rape as unjustified justification for racist violence
National Post ^ | June 19, 2015 | Jamelle Bouie

Posted on 06/21/2015 4:21:09 AM PDT by rickmichaels

Amid his Wednesday night rampage at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina—killing nine people—21-year-old Dylann Storm Roof reportedly told churchgoers, “You rape our women, and you're taking over our country, and you have to go.”

Of the assertions in that statement, it’s the first that has a long, deadly history. In the late 19th century, rape was a frequent justification for racist violence. “To palliate this record … and excuse some of the most heinous crimes that ever stained the history of a country,” wrote journalist Ida B. Wells-Barnett on lynchings in her pamphlet Southern Horrors, “the South is shielding itself behind the plausible screen of defending the honor of its women.” Indeed, Wells points to a host of Southern newspapers that defended “lynch’s law” with reference to an alleged epidemic of black-on-white rape. In one editorial, published by theMemphis Daily Commercial, editors declared, “The commission of this crime grows more frequent every year,” and, “There is no longer a restraint upon the brute passion of the Negro.”

As Wells-Barnett would show, however, there was no substance to the charge. “The world knows that the crime of rape was unknown during four years of civil war, when the white women of the South were at the mercy of the race which is all at once charged with being a bestial one,” she writes. In reality, these accusations of rape were often covers for consensual—and taboo—relationships between black men and white women. “Whites could not countenance the idea of a white woman desiring sex with a Negro, thus any physical relationship between a white woman and a black man had, by definition, to be an unwanted assault,” writes historian Philip Dray, describing Wells-Barnett’s argument in his book At the Hands of Persons Unknown: The Lynching of Black America.

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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Yes, those are high rates. But your claim was not that they were high, but that they are the highest in the world.

Which means you need to provide evidence of violent crime rates from other countries.

The problem with doing so being that rape, assault, etc. are defined and compiled differently in different countries. Rape, in particular, varies wildly in definition. In some countries, women who report being raped are shunned or even imprisoned or executed. In these countries, one would expect a low number of reported rapes. :)

OTOH, homicide has a reasonably consistent definition. There’s a body or there isn’t.

My analysis proceeded on the not illogical assumption that countries with high murder rates also probably have high rates of rape, assault and robbery.

But if you can find consistent statistics that support your position, I’d like to see them.

Keep in mind that I was responding to your claim that X is a fact. It is therefore your responsibility, when questioned, to provide evidence that X is a fact.


21 posted on 06/21/2015 6:05:48 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: a fool in paradise

Guy isn’t a felon. From what I understand, he has been charged but not convicted of a felony, and was therefore ineligible to buy a gun legally.


22 posted on 06/21/2015 6:07:11 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Popman

In America, a white female is 400 times more likely to be raped by a black male than a black female is to be raped by a white male.


23 posted on 06/21/2015 6:09:20 AM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: Kozak

A whole bunch of games get played with these numbers, largely because they are crunched by people who don’t understand statistics. In which group I emphatically include myself.

Here’s an interesting analysis by a guy who does know the math, and who I trust to use his knowledge honestly.

“The data from the 2008 Bureau of Justice Statistics, ... telling us that five out of six single-offender interracial crimes of violence involve a black perp and a nonblack victim.”

http://www.vdare.com/articles/john-derbyshire-on-uncle-tim-wise-cultural-marxists-can-t-do-math


24 posted on 06/21/2015 6:27:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Your murder rate numbers here are obviously low, since the source lists 4,000 some as unknown, the race of the perp not being reported, presumably because there were no witnesses to the killing. Or no witnesses willing to talk.

In my analysis, I made the reasonable assumption that the race of “unknown” perps was roughly proportionate to the race breakdown of known perps. So I rounded the black murder total to 7,000, which gave the 19/100k I referenced.

Given the Stop Snitching campaign in black communities, I think it’s reasonable to assume that there are more black killers in the “unknown” category than white killers. But of course without statistics there is no way to quantify this.

So I assume that actual black murder rate is higher, to some unknown degree, than 19/100k.


25 posted on 06/21/2015 6:34:12 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: rickmichaels

Per FBI stats, fewer than ten black women are raped by white men per year. Tens of thousands of white women are raped by black men a year.

And that’s separate from black on white violence called the knockout game and polar bear hunting. Whitegirlbleedalot.com is one of the few places actually tallying that.


26 posted on 06/21/2015 6:35:28 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: rickmichaels

He is talking about a history that isn’t taught in schools. There are a lot of white people that don’t care about the history because they can’t face it. There are a lot of black people that rather talk about the history because the stats of today aren’t in their favor. Both can’t talk to eachother so we’ll continue having these issues.


27 posted on 06/21/2015 6:38:44 AM PDT by cyborg (FReeper marriage...nine years of tea party reddish brown neck bliss.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Those stats remind me of tv coverage of a protest following the infamous pool party in McKinney,TX. There was a black man with a sign that said ‘Black skin does not equal danger’. I think he may have perception of fear correct, but his reality wrong.


28 posted on 06/21/2015 6:39:59 AM PDT by Made In The USA (Yes Ma'am, I said I'd like three sides of bacon with my eggs. and bacon.)
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To: rickmichaels

Dont like that nine people were killed. But these things happen. Always have.


29 posted on 06/21/2015 8:20:21 AM PDT by Carry me back (.)
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To: Popman

The guy was right when he said that blacks rape. They rape their own children among them ,and anyone else they can . Not all of them of course. But it is the way many of them live. Many of them arent compatible with American society.


30 posted on 06/21/2015 8:26:41 AM PDT by Carry me back (.)
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To: tbw2

The longest war America has ever fought is the Dirty War, and it is not over. It has lasted more than 30 years so far and claimed more than 25 million victims. It has cost almost as many lives as the Vietnam War.
Yet the American news media do not want to talk about the Dirty
War, which remains between the lines and unreported. In fact, to
even suggest that the war exists is to be discredited and disbelieved. So let’s start suggesting, immediately. No matter how crime figures are massaged by those who want to acknowledge or dispute the existence of a Dirty War, there is nothing ambiguous about what the official statistics portray: for the past 30 years a
large segment of black America has waged a war of violent
retribution against White America. And the problem is getting worse, not better. In the past 20 years, violent crime has increased more than four times faster than the population. Young blacks (under 18) are more violent than previous generations and are 12 times more likely to be arrested for murder than young Whites.
According to the latest annual report on murder by the Federal
Bureau of Investigation, most interracial murders involve black
assailants and White victims, with blacks murdering whites at 18
times the rate that Whites murder blacks.
These breathtaking disparities began to emerge in the mid-1960’s,
when there was a sharp increase in black crime against Whites, an
upsurge which, not coincidentally, corresponds exactly with the
beginning of the decline of neighborhoods.
Over time, the cumulative effect has been staggering. Justice
Department and FBI statistics indicate that between 1964 and
1994 more than 25 million violent interracial crimes were
committed, overwhelmingly involving black offenders and White
victims, and more than 45,000 people were killed in interracial
murders.
By comparisons 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and 34,000
were killed in the Korean war.
When nonviolent crimes (burglary, larceny, car theft and personal
theft) are included, the cumulative totals become astounding. The
Bureau of Justice Statistics says 27 million nonviolent crimes were
committed in the US in 1992, and the survey found that 31 per cent
of the robberies involved black offenders and White victims (while
only 2 per cent in the reverse). When all the crime figures are
calculated, it appears that black Americans have committed at
least 170 million crimes against white Americans in the past 30
years. It is the great defining disaster of American life and
American ideals since World War II.
All these are facts, yet by simply writing this story, I will be deemed
a racist. Because certain people prefer to maintain a paternalistic
double-standard in it’s outlook of black America. And THAT is
racist!


31 posted on 06/21/2015 8:38:51 AM PDT by itsLUCKY2B (?Borders, Language, and Culture.?)
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To: Carry me back
The guy was right when he said that blacks rape. They rape their own children among them ,and anyone else they can. Not all of them of course. But it is the way many of them live. Many of them aren't compatible with American society.

Your assertion is overly broad, to say the least...

32 posted on 06/21/2015 8:39:41 AM PDT by sargon
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To: Teacher317

Only if you trust the statistics. Rape is one of the most underreported crimes, and it’s entirely possible that the least reported kind of rape is white on black. Culture assumptions have considerable influence on the reporting rate.

My guess is that white women trying to cover up an unwanted pregnancy are far more likely to report a non-existant black rapist to the police than a black woman is to report a non-existant white rapist. In the white community, reporting a rape to the authorities adds to a woman’s credibility. I doubt it works that way in much of the black community.

There’s also the fact that white people, on average, are much more likely to report crime in general to the police than black people, on average. Those two factors likely skew the reported rates considerable.

The black and white stats on murder, a crime much more likely to be reported, make it clear that the black on white crime rate is disproportionate. At best, harping on the black-on-white rape rate just confuses the issue. At worst, it causes the speaker to lose credibility. “If this person thinks reported rape rates reflect reality, why should I trust his opinion on anything?”


33 posted on 06/21/2015 10:16:18 AM PDT by Amity
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To: rickmichaels
Rape as unjustified justification for racist violence

Geeze,Jamelle,are there any other observations you want to make regarding the bleedin' obvious???

34 posted on 06/21/2015 12:04:40 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Feelings Are Today's Truth,Truth Is Today's Blasphemy)
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To: Amity

Good post.


35 posted on 06/22/2015 7:49:26 AM PDT by cyborg (FReeper marriage...nine years of tea party reddish brown neck bliss.)
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