Posted on 08/21/2015 11:45:41 AM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy
Last night, the wife and I were watching O’Reilly and he had Professor John Yoo on talking about the 14th Amendment.
He said (and I had to rewind to confirm) either:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, ARE subject to the jurisdiction thereof…”
Or
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States, OR subject to the jurisdiction thereof…”
I thought he said “OR”, but mom thought it might be “ARE”. Anywho….
Since it actually says “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, AND subject to the jurisdiction thereof…”, I have to wonder why he misquoted it.
He has on MANY occasions stated he was VERY concerned about OBBAMMIES executive orders which REALLY surprised me, however I guess his thought on immigration are just typical of a lefty!!!!
“I have a suggestion for BOR’s next book: “Killing The Fox News Channel.””
Maybe Megyn Kelly can co-write it with him.
I saw it. He had two puppets reading the 14th Amendment as written by O’Really himself. He shouted down Dana Leoch the other night and he made up a 9-0 SCOTUS case from 1985 that according to the SCOTUS calender for 1985 never happened. he won’t have Mark Levin on because Levin would steam roll him. Ditto Laura Ingraham and Ann Coulter. They should say that blocked BOR from the Answering machines because he...well you know what he does on Answering machines. The same thing he does on his show.
I’m sorry. It wasn’t Dana. It was Andrea.
Another ping to another person pointing out the bad legacy of the 14th amendment.
As an FYI, I Googled the "ARE" and "OR" versions and there are lots of hits misquoting the text of the Amendment.
Both Yoo and B’OR are wrong and arrogant, condenscending a-holes on the subject (and others).
B’OR’s stupid “the Supreme Court ruled unanimously, so it’s over, blah, blah, blah” ignores rulings like Dredd Scott and Plessy V. Ferguson. So according to B’OR’s moronic arrogance slavery should still upheld becuase a Supreme Court once said so.
I can’t believe idiots still watch this clown. I just happened to be flipping around when I caught this and turned it off.
ROFL, good one. His ghost authored books are stupid. I bet no one really buys them but his own staff.
Thank you and Nathanbedford for the excellent Virginia Law Review paper.
Issues raised on FR disappear so quickly that this will disappear before I’ve had a chance to carefully read the paper by Justin Lollman. I read Wong Kim Ark carefully and noted the “Domiciled parent” qualification but was then searching for any relationship with natural born citizenship, the issue then being attributed as having been resolved by Wong Kim Ark. It wasn’t, but until a first reading of the Lollman paper I didn’t understand the significance of “Domiciled Parents”, who were domiciled only because China did not permit repudiation of citizenship.
Wong Kim’s parents lived near San Francisco and wanted never to leave. Wong Kim was born in San Franciso and made a citizen (not a natural born citizen as often claimed by OBOTS), even though his parents could not naturalize, giving Wong Kim every freedom except the authority to hold the office of President, which is not a right, but a qualification prescribed to help protect our Republic from foreign influences in the most powerful government office.
Among issues of interest in the confusing decision written by Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark is Gray’s lengthy detour into British Common Law. Gray was appointed by Chester Arthur, the only other President who was not a natural born citizen, a fact carefully hidden by Arthur, who burned his personal papers just before he died of a long illness. Gray was famous as a legal historian, but cited an authority and a paper which had been materially changed by its author, a fact familiar to Gray.
Attorney Leo Donofrio, who discovered the naturalization papers that Arthur had not managed to burn, confirming that Arthur’s father was a British subject when Chester was born in Vermont, recognized the implications of creating anchor babies before he, Donofrio, gave up, seeing the futility given the depth of corruption in our government, all three branches. Gray should have recused himself from the Wong Kim decision, as Kagan and Sotomayor should have, but did not do when voting not to hear challenges to Obama’s eligibility. Justice Gray’s patron, Arthur, would have been removed had his father’s naturalization fourteen years after Chester’s birth been discovered. Kagan and Sotomayor would lose their lifetime sinecures if Obama’s ineligibility is exposed, or dozens of decisions built upon Minor v. Happersett will be overturned and the Constitution Amended. Discovering “penumbra” not in the Constitution is one thing, but even our liberal justices would probably not be willing to be remembered for contradicting Thomas Paine, Rousseau, Chief Justices, Marshall, Waite, Jay, and Hughes, Jefferson, and might even be reluctant to contradict our nation’s first law book, Vattel’s Law of Nations, for the first twenty years of our nation the most cited legal reference in national jurisprudence.
Most can see from the clear statement of the 14th amendment, and careful application of logical construction - “AND” - that the anchor baby construction is not just weak, but in error. The Lollman paper is clear and may be very important to the dialog Mr. Trump has pushed into the foreground.
I have to wonder why he misquoted it.
Because they are Both LIAR’S and FRAUD’S and they know that most Americans are too lazy to actually pick up a Copy and read it, even if they did Half the Population CAN’T READ!
Do you happen to have a link to this Lollman paper you speak of? I can’t seem to find anything on it.
If you open the Virginia Law Review site you provided you’ll find a pointer to a “PDF” formatted copy of the complete paper. Some browsers block such references. I did wonder what became of the “Nathanbedford” comment, or “Nathanbedfordforrest”? The lollman paper is still there, but if it has been removed, which seems to happen frequently where references can be removed by politically sensitive institutions, send me a private note and I’ll forward it to you. After seeing Supreme Court cases edited for political reasons I save anything I find significant.
Yoo is brilliant but wrong here plus he seems solidly moderate, a Jeb Bush type.
CHINESE ‘MATERNITY HOTEL’ CLIENTS SKIP OUT ON POTENTIALLY $10M+ IN HOSPITAL BILLS
by MICHELLE MOONS 11 Mar 2015 San Diego, CA25
Among the numerous allegations facing “maternity tourism” company You Win USA, targeted among other companies in a federal raid last week, is the accusation that the company defrauded a local Orange County hospital by failing to pay potential millions in fees, or paying greatly reduced rates intended for indigent or low-income patients.
Warrant documents detail:
Customers of Chen and Li’s visa fraud scheme have the ability to (and do) pay approximately $50,000 to Chen and Li for their service. However, these customers do not pay the full costs incurred and/or billed by the local hospitals for performing the births, which often exceed $25,000 per birth.
In most cases, Chen and Li’s customers either fail to pay anything or pay a greatly-reduced amount designed for indigent or low income patients lacking insurance, which is often ony approximately $4,000 per birth. During the approximately two years from January 2013 to presents, more than 400 children linked to Chen and Li’s visa fraud scheme were born at just one of the local Orange County hospitals used by Chen and Li’s customers.
If each of the 400 customers paid nothing or the $4,000 minimal rate, the local Orange County hospital would have been shorted $10 million or more in hospital birthing service bills.
Breitbart California previously reported on court warrant documents that detail the wealth of many “birth tourism” customers and the status they enjoy as a result of having “American” children. Several customers of USA Happy Baby, Inc., one of the other targeted companies, were also noted as employees of the Chinese government.
Three “maternity tourism” schemes were raided just over a week ago as the result of a joint investigation involving several federal and local law enforcement agencies.
http://www.breitbart.com/national-se...ospital-bills/
I think you should accept the 14th Amendment like you should accept the outcome of the Civil War. If the 14th Amendment gets changed, you're not likely to like the changes.
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