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New computer model says human emissions can ‘render Earth ice free’
wattsupwiththat.com ^ | September 24, 2015 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 09/25/2015 10:52:02 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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From the “department of global roasting” and the UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA FAIRBANKS, where great ideas like this one are formed at Halloween parties, (yes really, see PR) comes this claim:

UAF model used to estimate Antarctic ice sheet melting

To see how burning up the Earth’s available fossil fuels might affect the Antarctic ice sheet, scientists turned to a computer program developed at the University of Alaska Fairbanks Geophysical Institute. The ice would disappear, they found, and that conclusion is making headlines across the world.

UAF’s Parallel Ice Sheet Model “was the perfect tool to find out whether human emissions are sufficient to render Earth ice free — and unfortunately it turns out that they are,” said Anders Levermann, a researcher at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany. Levermann is an author of a paper recently published in the journal Science Advances.

He and the paper’s other authors figured out that burning all available fossil fuels would release about 10,000 gigatons of carbon into the atmosphere, which could possibly raise the average temperature of the planet by 20 degrees Fahrenheit. One gigaton is one billion tons. More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere raises temperatures because the greenhouse gas traps infrared radiation from sunlight striking the Earth.

The computer program shows that the increased temperatures would melt the Antarctic ice sheet, which is bigger than the United States, has an average thickness of 6,200 feet and contains more than 50 percent of the world’s fresh water. More than half the melting could occur during the first 1,000 years, although the entire study spans 10,000 years. PISM also shows that the melting would push sea levels up by more than 160 feet. Coastlines would retreat, forcing people in places like New York City, London and Paris to move inland.

“The future evolution of the global sea level is mainly determined by the melting of the big ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica,” Levermann said. “If we want to properly protect our cities, we need to know how these ice sheets evolve. Models like PISM are the only chance we have to understand future sea-level rise.”

Andy Aschwanden, a UAF glaciologist who helped develop PISM, said he uses the computer program to study how climate change could affect Greenland’s ice sheet. He said that more than 50 studies have used PISM, including a soon-to-be-published paper that investigates the future of Alaska’s Juneau Icefield.

“Models are testbeds for all sorts of questions, and PISM is what we call a numerical model.” said Aschwanden. “We take our best understanding of the physical processes of the real world, in this case ice sheets, and frame that in the language of mathematics. Then we teach the computer how to come up with solutions to ‘what if’ questions about the processes that this model represents. We did a lot of work under the hood to make this model work.”

Ed Bueler, a UAF associate professor of mathematics, and GI computer programmer Constantine Khroulev, did much of that work. They built the engine of this model from new mathematical equations. Bueler said PISM is designed to solve what-if scenarios for different-sized ice sheets and glaciers over a time period that extends 100,000 years into the future and the past. It considers such factors as ice thickness and temperature, the weight of the ice and how fast the ice flows as gravity slowly pulls it downhill “like pouring honey onto a pancake.”

“The equations are a way to say precisely how the parts of an ice sheet work and how each of these pieces is connected to all the others,” said Bueler. “Once you have the equations, you can make predictions.”

Most programs that handle such a wide range of scenarios over a large time span rely on mathematics so complex that it may take computers years or decades just to answer one problem. Bueler said PISM is complex enough to be accurate but efficient enough to deliver answers in a timely manner to scientists.

PISM also uses the GI’s high-performance computers to get more accurate answers to the wide variety of scenarios. These computers can outperform an average personal computer in processing calculations.

The PISM team posts the computer program and its updates on the Internet so that scientists can use it freely and provide feedback on the program. Levermann learned about the program after one of his graduate students found it on the Internet and showed it to him in 2008.

“Half a year later, I was flying to Fairbanks to discuss the model with Ed,” said Levermann. “That was my first Halloween party in the U.S. In the two following weeks, my two then-Ph.D.-students, Ricarda Winkelmann and Maria Martin, visited Ed, and he explained the model. That started a wonderful long-term collaboration.”

Winkelmann went on to be the lead author on the recent paper published in Science Advances.

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TOPICS: Astronomy; Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: climatechange; epa; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; popefrancis; romancatholicism
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The real fears are these:

1. The natural (not man-caused) weather, geological and other changes will cause many to lose their investments and have no place to keep them.

2. Resources will become even much more scarce, also causing the most influential political constituents to lose control of production, markets and the populace.

Hence, hand-wringing and blaming of the peasant populace for breathing. It’s kind of like passing gas and blaming and beating the dog for it.


61 posted on 09/25/2015 1:38:56 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Awesome! Ice free would be great! High CO2 plus warm temp would be the greatest boon to life on earth.


62 posted on 09/25/2015 1:56:48 PM PDT by Melinator (my 2 cents)
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To: ETL
"Researchers say cows are producing twice as much methane gas as scientists previously believed.

The states producing the most methane gas were Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas
"

Drought has been increasing again for about a month. There might be even fewer cattle before long.


63 posted on 09/25/2015 2:03:46 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
If you intend to burn up all the fuel where pray-tell is the oxygen coming from?

Once the fire starts the atmospheric oxygen will be fixed as CO2 (its' heaver than air...) which as we all know has a major use in fire extinguishers...

Hmmm One wonders if they tinkered with that under their models hood?

Regards,
GtG

64 posted on 09/25/2015 3:19:02 PM PDT by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, but it's OK. They all know me here.)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks for the links.


65 posted on 09/25/2015 4:01:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Joe Brower
Exactly!
66 posted on 09/25/2015 4:06:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ...

Sounds perfect to me. I hate winter.


67 posted on 09/25/2015 4:12:26 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: WhiskeyX
I am not sure what I am looking at....

If I am correct what a HUGE DRAMATIC DROP!

68 posted on 09/25/2015 4:51:57 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray

Thanks for that thought!


69 posted on 09/25/2015 5:06:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The actual temperatures were 48F to 68F/74F and thereabouts. The automated system has been malfunctioning for months. NWS says its a problem with the FAA instrument and beyond their control. The Skagit Port Authority responsible for the airport contracted with a local tenant to operate the automated instrument. The contractor reports the need for maintenance, if and when the public gets on their case, but the maintenance so far has failed to resolve the problems for many months now. So, the NWS reports what is sent to them, erroneous or not. See KNUW Ault Field, Whidbey Naval Air Station for a nearby comparison to actual air temperatures.


70 posted on 09/25/2015 5:10:10 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

I thought that might be where the big fires in Washington state were happening....womder how many other automated weather stations are like this.


71 posted on 09/25/2015 5:30:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Do ya think the peeps in Minnesota will mind, long about Jan-Feb next year?


72 posted on 09/25/2015 5:31:24 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck ( NOTE TO RNC: I will not be voting for another Bush. Ever. No matter what his last name is.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
human emissions can ‘render Earth ice free’

Note to self - eat more refried beans. I have to do my part.

I am thinking a nice piece of real estate in Greenland, away from all the hustle and bustle.

73 posted on 09/25/2015 5:34:13 PM PDT by Moorings
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To: West Texas Chuck; NormsRevenge
We might hear some new songs from the Group “Minnesotans for Global Warming”
74 posted on 09/25/2015 6:04:42 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The KBVS airport is located within a few miles of the sea coast on Puget Sound and nearby to Anacortes on Fidalgo Island and a few miles from Burlington and Mount Vernon father inland to the east. Ault Field, Whidbey Island, Naval Air Station (KNUW) is located on the next island south of Fidalgo Island and about 18 miles southwest of KBVS. The air temperatures tend to be somewhat similar due to their proximities to the sea coast in the same local area.

Here is a wide angle view from atop Mt. Erie on Fidalgo Island which covers the location of KBVS in the distance on the left side of the view and KNUW in the distance seen on the right side of the view.

https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4535,-122.6259372,3a,75.1y,149.18h,83.77t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1s-oCaQQ4seEmI%2FVY8rGN7kBeI%2FAAAAAAAAMN0%2FgGDLOI3KSVw!2e4!3e11!6s%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2F-oCaQQ4seEmI%2FVY8rGN7kBeI%2FAAAAAAAAMN0%2FgGDLOI3KSVw%2Fw203-h101-n-k-no%2F!7i10240!8i5120

If the link does not work, use Google Map to locate Mt. Erie and use the StreetView to pickup the blue dots representing the camera locations atop Mt. Erie.


75 posted on 09/25/2015 6:05:13 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
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76 posted on 09/25/2015 6:10:04 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“We might hear some new songs from the Group “Minnesotans for Global Warming””

Oh yeah...see:

Where Have All the Eagles Gone?
By Elmer on September 6, 2015 in Opinion, Videos

It’s been a while since I did a music video so I figured I better start ramping it up in leading to Paris.

http://m4gw.com/where-have-all-the-eagles-gone/


77 posted on 09/25/2015 6:13:15 PM PDT by WhiskeyX
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78 posted on 09/25/2015 7:30:44 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Democrats and GOP-e: a difference of degree, not philosophy)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have a computer model that shows that burning all the fossil fuels will cause the earth to loose its atmosphere and freeze.


79 posted on 09/26/2015 4:25:29 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

When was the last time these climate change buffoons computer models were even close to predicting “climate change”?


80 posted on 09/26/2015 10:57:30 AM PDT by dearolddad (/i>)
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