Posted on 09/26/2015 11:31:49 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
We are a long way beyond the short interlude that immediately followed the crucifixion. We now know that Christ’s death on the cross was the ultimate victory. However, if you can cite one Scripture that refers to Christ’s crucifixion as a “failure,” we’ll talk.
“... his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure...”
There is nothing wrong with that statement. Don’t change it when you quote it.
His statements about the ROP are wrong, stupid and show a fundamental misunderstanding of the beliefs of the ROP.
this Pope is a Christian
This pope is as much a christian as barak Obama...
and there you have it.
It is bizarre how everything he says must explained away. Reminds me of Obama when he speaks off the cuff, and the White House has to say he meant the opposite of what we all heard.
Crucifixion was known to be the absolute worst form of execution. It was reserved for the worst of the worst.
Jesus dying on the Cross was the lowest that Jesus could go in order to lift us up high to Heaven.
At the time it looked like Jesus had completely failed. But then he came back and everything he said came true.
It was all by design.
You have to keep in mind that the media is working overtime to make Francis look like one of them.
I usually wait a little after something has been said and look at the Vatican website and there I find that his words make sense.
But he makes no sense through the leftist media filter. They chop up his statements to make it seem as though he said something else or infers something entirely different to what he actually said.
Think Dan Rather and why he lost his career at 60 Minutes.
What do you call your male parent?
The Church survived the Borgias and the Papacy, for God’s sake, we can live through this. Prayer, and belief in the Catholic tenets as contained in The Apostles’ Creed, will get us over this.
This man will not destroy my Faith.
Yes. Key word is HUMANLY.
The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds. God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and not produce fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.
Another danger -- another danger emerges when we become jealous of our free time, when we think that surrounding ourselves with worldly comforts help us to serve better. The problem with this way of reasoning is that it can blunt the power of god's daily call to conversion, to encounter with him.
I believe that you make a good point there OafOfOffice. I still think the point was rather obtuse, and could rather easily be misconstrued as I did. HERE
My response may have been too harsh. I would have urged another clarifying sentence directly after the red above. Perhaps others will disagree.
That's still my take.
Full quote in context:
“To see and evaluate things from God’s perspective calls for constant conversion in the first days and years of our vocation and, need I say, great humility. The cross shows us a different way of measuring success. Ours is to plant the seeds: God sees to the fruits of our labors. And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross”
It’s wrong if that’s where he left it. Did he go on to explain that spiritually speaking it was the ultimate victory? Not everyone who hears his words has a clue. To leave as a takeaway message that, even just humanly speaking, the cross represents failure, is unspeakably misguided.
What’s with the parable mixed in, i.e. planting seeds? It’s as if he’s demented. At best, this is a terrible representation of the basic tenant of Christianity.
I think I’ll create a new meme. You have ‘mansplaining’ by the left, etc. Now they have ‘popesplaining’.
I understand your comments, and will only reference you to my follow-up post to my first reaction.
I don’t want to take the worst possible response unfairly, and other poster did come up with a reasoned thought.
Thanks for your comments.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3341494/posts?page=49#49
“...Jesus Christ and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.”
Of course that is true - “humanly speaking”. Our pastor relates how Jesus was/is like a great judo fighter. Using the opponent’s actions and turning them around to his victory.
When this pope first came around I liked his casting off of some of the formality and stuff. In hindsight, and see that was just his commie world-view showing through.
Thank you FRiend (& Brother), it wasn’t just my prayers but the prayers of MANY who lifted up my daughter, I have been blessed to see amazing things happen in response to sincere and fervent prayer, prayer is the most powerful tool and weapon in any Christian’s spiritual arsenal.
The Lord be with you and yours FRiend.
I would like to express two sentiments for my Muslim brothers and sisters: Firstly, my greetings as they celebrate the feast of sacrifice.”
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Did this sucker congratulate “his” Jewish brothers and sisters on Yom Kippur ???
Yes. If that is what the Pope said, it is a truth, but just one. As a Christian he should have told the Truth...ONE way to God, but alas I doubt if he was brave enough.
I’m not sure how things play out, but I do adhere to the thought over time all will be revealed.
The Bible is a unique book IMO. We see thousands of years worth of prophecy play out. I’m all in.
I o understand reasoned questions, and I do no have all answers.
That’s why they call it faith.
Fair enough. I appreciate your faith and your tenaciousness. Clearly, you have not left the Church, but what if the Roman Church has left you? The RC is sodomite and communist infested and a religious wing of the global elites. What do you think Jesus would tell you regarding the RC? Wouldn’t he tell you what he told His disciples? “Come out of her my people, and be not a partaker of her plagues...”
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