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New methane scare off Washington coast begs the question: did anybody look for these before?
wattsupwiththat.com ^ | October 14, 2015 | Anthony Watts

Posted on 10/14/2015 12:10:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

I have to wonder, before the scientific world went nuts looking for GHG boogymen under every rock and tree, had anyone observed methane venting in this area before? While they enlisted the help of fishermen now, would anyone bothered to have documented these bubble plumes 50-100 years ago? I think not. They claim “… it is not likely to be just emitted from the sediments; this appears to be coming from the decomposition of methane that has been frozen for thousands of years.” yet offer no methodology for how they determined that. I seems to be little more than the opinion of the researcher.

Then there’s the question, is this simply a natural variation that is part of the PDO shift, and the “blob” off the Pacific NW coast is responsible? These are pertinent questions that seem to have been overlooked, and I find this study suspect anyway, because by their own admission, the press release precedes the actual publication of the paper. The October 2015 edition of Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems is not out yet. Science is not supposed to be done to grab headlines ahead of publication. It seems more like COP21 “me too” frenzy than science.

From the UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON:

Bubble plumes off Washington, Oregon suggest warmer ocean may be releasing frozen methane

Sonar image of bubbles rising from the seafloor off the Washington coast. The base of the column is 1/3 of a mile (515 meters) deep and the top of the plume is at 1/10 of a mile (180 meters) depth. CREDIT Brendan Philip/University of Washington

Sonar image of bubbles rising from the seafloor off the Washington coast. The base of the column is 1/3 of a mile (515 meters) deep and the top of the plume is at 1/10 of a mile (180 meters) depth. CREDIT Brendan Philip/University of Washington

Warming ocean temperatures a third of a mile below the surface, in a dark ocean in areas with little marine life, might attract scant attention. But this is precisely the depth where frozen pockets of methane ‘ice’ transition from a dormant solid to a powerful greenhouse gas.

New University of Washington research suggests that subsurface warming could be causing more methane gas to bubble up off the Washington and Oregon coast.

The study, to appear in the journal Geochemistry, Geophysics, Geosystems, shows that of 168 bubble plumes observed within the past decade, a disproportionate number were seen at a critical depth for the stability of methane hydrates.

“We see an unusually high number of bubble plumes at the depth where methane hydrate would decompose if seawater has warmed,” said lead author H. Paul Johnson, a UW professor of oceanography. “So it is not likely to be just emitted from the sediments; this appears to be coming from the decomposition of methane that has been frozen for thousands of years.”

Methane has contributed to sudden swings in Earth’s climate in the past. It is unknown what role it might contribute to contemporary climate change, although recent studies have reported warming-related methane emissions in Arctic permafrost and off the Atlantic coast.

Of the 168 methane plumes in the new study, some 14 were located at the transition depth – more plumes per unit area than on surrounding parts of the Washington and Oregon seafloor.

If methane bubbles rise all the way to the surface, they enter the atmosphere and act as a powerful greenhouse gas. But most of the deep-sea methane seems to get consumed during the journey up. Marine microbes convert the methane into carbon dioxide, producing lower-oxygen, more-acidic conditions in the deeper offshore water, which eventually wells up along the coast and surges into coastal waterways.

“Current environmental changes in Washington and Oregon are already impacting local biology and fisheries, and these changes would be amplified by the further release of methane,” Johnson said.

Another potential consequence, he said, is the destabilization of seafloor slopes where frozen methane acts as the glue that holds the steep sediment slopes in place.

Methane deposits are abundant on the continental margin of the Pacific Northwest coast. A 2014 study from the UW documented that the ocean in the region is warming at a depth of 500 meters (0.3 miles), by water that formed decades ago in a global warming hotspot off Siberia and then traveled with ocean currents east across the Pacific Ocean. That previous paper calculated that warming at this depth would theoretically destabilize methane deposits on the Cascadia subduction zone, which runs from northern California to Vancouver Island.

At the cold temperatures and high pressures present on the continental margin, methane gas in seafloor sediments forms a crystal lattice structure with water. The resulting icelike solid, called methane hydrate, is unstable and sensitive to changes in temperature. When the ocean warms, the hydrate crystals dissociate and methane gas leaks into the sediment. Some of that gas escapes from the sediment pores as a gas.

The 2014 study calculated that with present ocean warming, such hydrate decomposition could release roughly 0.1 million metric tons of methane per year into the sediments off the Washington coast, about the same amount of methane from the 2010 Deepwater Horizon blowout.

The new study looks for evidence of bubble plumes off the coast, including observations by UW research cruises, earlier scientific studies and local fishermen’s reports. The authors included bubble plumes that rose at least 150 meters (490 feet) tall that clearly originate from the seafloor. The dataset included 45 plumes originally detected by fishing boats, whose modern sonars can detect the bubbles while looking for schools of fish, with their observations later confirmed during UW research cruises.

Results show that methane gas is slowly released at almost all depths along the Washington and Oregon coastal margin. But the plumes are significantly more common at the critical depth of 500 meters, where hydrate would decompose due to seawater warming.

“What we’re seeing is possible confirmation of what we predicted from the water temperatures: Methane hydrate appears to be decomposing and releasing a lot of gas,” Johnson said. “If you look systematically, the location on the margin where you’re getting the largest number of methane plumes per square meter, it is right at that critical depth of 500 meters.”

Still unknown, however, is whether these plumes are really from the dissociation of frozen methane deposits. [bold mine, Anthony]

“The results are consistent with the hypothesis that modern bottom-water warming is causing the limit of methane hydrate stability to move downslope, but it’s not proof that the hydrate is dissociating,” said co-author Evan Solomon, a UW associate professor of oceanography.

Solomon is now analyzing the chemical composition of samples from bubble plumes emitted by sediments along the Washington coast at about 500 meters deep. Results will confirm whether the gas originates from methane hydrates rather than from some other source, such as the passive migration of methane from deeper reservoirs to the seafloor, which causes most of the other bubble plumes on the continental margin.

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Note: Shortly after publication, some text formatting errors were corrected, and bolding of a statement added.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: climatechange; energy; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; methane; opec; petroleum
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To: PGR88

Lots of hydrocarbons on the surface of Titan, one of Saturn’ moons. I don’t think there was plant life on that moon to make all of the hydrocarbons found there.


41 posted on 10/14/2015 2:54:58 PM PDT by Guardian Sebastian (Life is a bitch, why elect one?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Maybe the volcanic activity has a tiny bit to do with it

And tectonic plate movement


42 posted on 10/14/2015 3:34:33 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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43 posted on 10/14/2015 4:03:35 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Democrats and GOP-e: a difference of degree, not philosophy)
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44 posted on 10/14/2015 4:07:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

So why are we not tapping this with a straw or two and pumping it back to burn to power our cities and towns?


45 posted on 10/14/2015 4:31:54 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: exnavy

Could a volcano be forming? Is that what you’re saying? Because these things are found near volcanoes....


46 posted on 10/14/2015 5:54:10 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrats want gun legislation? Fine. Pass a Bill outlawing 'gun free' zones.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Then again it could be caused by an impending earthquake along the Cascadia subsection zone.


47 posted on 10/14/2015 8:27:40 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (CA the sanctuary state for stupid.)
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To: NormsRevenge

LNG will keep us free.


48 posted on 10/14/2015 8:48:21 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: NormsRevenge

LNG will keep us free.


49 posted on 10/14/2015 8:49:02 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thanks for the ping Ernest. IMHO, it is simply a fact found that indicates things that or normal within the oceans and lands that indicate how things operate withing the earth’s
system.I have a lovely next week 99 year old dear mom who has been in some now 7 visits to ER visits to local hospitals then ICU then sent back to nursing care facilities within three months. I’m burnt out in the total.
It has taken an huge toll on me. So I try to log in at times and respond to you good people, but have become very limited within my scope.
You take care friend. God’s best upon you and yours.


50 posted on 10/14/2015 9:26:00 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Galt level is not far away......but alas! Honor must be earned...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Strange that no temperature figures are given, nor what any baselines for either temperatures nor the outflows happens to be. There data only goes back as far as ‘fish finding sonar’; that’s not a very long baseline.

>>Warming ocean temperatures a third of a mile below the surface...

>>research >>suggests<< that subsurface warming >>could<< (weasel word) be causing more methane gas to bubble up

>>at the depth where methane hydrate would decompose >>if<< (Weasel word) seawater has warmed

>>the ocean in the region is warming ... by water that formed decades ago in a global warming hotspot off Siberia and then traveled with ocean currents east across the Pacific Ocean.

Okay; so why, over a period of decades, while traveling from Siberia, has this “warm” water not succumbed to the laws of thermodynamics, and cooled off? How hot was it, and how hot is it on arrival? Was it really a “global warming” hot spot; or jut a warm spot on the globe, i.e. area of undersea vulcanism?


51 posted on 10/14/2015 11:15:14 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Stick a Pipe in the hole and transport the Methane to a Power Plant on Shore that runs on Methane. Problem solved.


52 posted on 10/14/2015 11:19:17 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses.)
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To: FBD

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53 posted on 10/18/2015 11:38:14 AM PDT by FBD
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